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[Carrot of Truth]

Thats why I said he is better than the other choices. Still not a good choice but acceptable.

Honestly its more along the lines of the best of a bad situation. If we keep getting "choices" like this the US is doomed.

 

[Zachowon]

If Trump wins reelection I really think he should pardon both Julian Assange and Edward Snowden.

You know Assange did not publish various things the Russians have done that he had info on?

What is with the right and supporting Russian sympathizers?

 

[Carrot of Truth]

You know Assange did not publish various things the Russians have done that he had info on?

What is with the right and supporting Russian sympathizers?

Naturally a fedboi like yourself would support oppressing people who blew the whistle on organizations who were spying on American citizens and utterly trampling on our constitution.

 

[Zachowon]

Naturally a fedboi like yourself would support oppressing people who blew the whistle on organizations who were spying on American citizens and utterly trampling on our constitution.

But...it's okay when he hides and keeps close stuff that paints the Russians in bad light?

 

[Carrot of Truth]

But...it's okay when he hides and keeps close stuff that paints the Russians in bad light?

Okay? And how is that an excuse for all of the constitutional violations our own government committed?

 

[Zachowon]

Okay? And how is that an excuse for all of the constitutional violations our own government committed?

There isn't. But you shouldn't see him as a bastion of free speech.
He doesn't care about free speech, only supporting an agenda against the west

 

[Carrot of Truth]

There isn't. But you shouldn't see him as a bastion of free speech.
He doesn't care about free speech, only supporting an agenda against the west

If the west is going to commit crimes like that against its own citizenry its has no moral high ground and is not worth defending.

 

[Marduk]

If the west is going to commit crimes like that against its own citizenry its has no moral high ground and is not worth defending.

What crimes against own citizenry? Did anyone go to court over what he revealed?
Having cyberwarfare tools? Not a crime.
The highly known and controversial stuff like dirty laundry from wars and diplomacy was definitely not "crimes against own citizenry" yet he revealed that too, just causing damage to US and ally interests.
This and getting cold feet with some Russian stuff show that if he revealed anything truly justified by public needing to know among all the lot of stuff on wikileaks, most of it was just facilitating leaks without such justification.
Also remember he got that US extradition request under Trump to begin with:

Putting an end to the persecution of Julian Assange

EDITORIAL. The founder of WikiLeaks is seeking a last-ditch appeal in the British courts against his extradition to the US, where he is being prosecuted for espionage. Whatever the reader's opinion of him, we must hope for a sign of humanity from the British judges.

www.lemonde.fr

This is one of the leaks that got Assange into real legal trouble in USA:

Chelsea Manning - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Basically you are ascribing to Assange a more benevolent and patriotic set of motivations and more limited scope of activity than what he actually practices.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

What crimes against own citizenry? Did anyone go to court over what he revealed?
Having cyberwarfare tools? Not a crime.
The highly known and controversial stuff like dirty laundry from wars and diplomacy was definitely not "crimes against own citizenry" yet he revealed that too, just causing damage to US and ally interests.
This and getting cold feet with some Russian stuff show that if he revealed anything truly justified by public needing to know among all the lot of stuff on wikileaks, most of it was just facilitating leaks without such justification.
Also remember he got that US extradition request under Trump to begin with:

Putting an end to the persecution of Julian Assange

EDITORIAL. The founder of WikiLeaks is seeking a last-ditch appeal in the British courts against his extradition to the US, where he is being prosecuted for espionage. Whatever the reader's opinion of him, we must hope for a sign of humanity from the British judges.

www.lemonde.fr

This is one of the leaks that got Assange into real legal trouble in USA:

Chelsea Manning - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Basically you are ascribing to Assange a more benevolent and patriotic set of motivations and more limited scope of activity than what he actually practices.

Was talking about Edward Snowden and the leaks about the NSA's mass surveillance on US citizens. That was and is a clear constitutional violation. Its also something they never stopped doing.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Was talking about Edward Snowden and the leaks about the NSA's mass surveillance on US citizens. That was and is a clear constitutional violation. Its also something they never stopped doing.

Well...It's only a violation of the constitution when those in power of the constitution deem it a violation. Luckily those in power of the constitution are unbiased and a third party, right?

*Checks notes*

The US Government?...
Oh. Well that explains it.

 

[Marduk]

Was talking about Edward Snowden and the leaks about the NSA's mass surveillance on US citizens. That was and is a clear constitutional violation. Its also something they never stopped doing.

That's far from the only thing he leaked, and he didn't go to court with it either, just the public.
For example stuff about how US intel is spying on Russia, which is a classic case of legitimate secret info for a government, or specific cyberwarfare tools and their capabilities.
Even if you could make an argument that some of this stuff was about domestic operations justified to leak due to its illegality, he leaked stuff beyond that to which this defense does not apply.

 

[Doomsought]

That's far from the only thing he leaked, and he didn't go to court with it either, just the public.

If he went to the courts, he'd just be killed quietly without anyone knowing it.

 

[Marduk]

If he went to the courts, he'd just be killed quietly without anyone knowing it.

Still, most of the stuff he revealed would not even be suitable to take to court as it was foreign related, so if he was solely concerned about few more controversial domestic programs, why didn't he stick to leaking that? Did he *have* to reveal absolutely everything he had?

 

[Zachowon]

He also has zero context on what he released.
That's all there is too it

 

[mrttao]

My dudes: Google's Gemini AI is woke as heck and people have the receipts to prove it

You never knew AI could be this brokenly woke until Google came along.

notthebee.com

It is quite ridiculous. Quite a long article with lots and lots of examples.
Also contrasted to gab AI who does generate what it is asked for.

The only time google AI will ever generate a white man is if you ask for a nazi. and even then it will show you black and asians nazies. because the nazies were all about inclusivity.

If you ask it to generate an image of an ideal nuclear family it will flat out refuse.

This gets hilarious when asked to generate images of nazies from 1943.

Incidentally. this was the only example of it actually managing to generate a white man.

also when asked outright...

 

[Terthna]

You know Assange did not publish various things the Russians have done that he had info on?

What is with the right and supporting Russian sympathizers?

Not just people on the right; most anti-establishment people don't give a crap about whether or not someone is a Russian sympathizer, because Russia isn't anywhere close to being their primary concern, not compared to their own government.

 

[Marduk]

Not just people on the right; most anti-establishment people

That's a very interesting set of terms to use.
I for one would have a very careful view of people who see a need to call themselves "anti-establishment".
Great, you are against the establishment, so am i, but what are you for?
Even i don't like the establishment, but there are some other factions out there that are even worse (some hate establishment not for being too leftist, like the right wingers, but in fact hate it for not acting leftist enough right fucking now), so they, like the infamous antifa, have a very smart reason to advertise themselves by what they are against, rather than by what they stand for.

don't give a crap about whether or not someone is a Russian sympathizer, because Russia isn't anywhere close to being their primary concern, not compared to their own government.

Enjoy your company of anarchists then. Those hate all governments, establishments etc.
Doesn't mean they are reasonable or that you would enjoy living (or dying more likely) in a place they run, but that's just one kind of shitty ideas you will encounter among people who are "anti-establishment".

 

[TheRejectionist]

The highly known and controversial stuff like dirty laundry from wars and diplomacy was definitely not "crimes against own citizenry" yet he revealed that too, just causing damage to US and ally interests.

That is bad exactly how?
Exposing a murderer that wasn't caught or a person that recycles money from unethical and immoral dealings is praised and doesn't put anyone in jail or with an arrest warrant.
The same reasoning applies to US,EU and allies and their proxies.

 

[Terthna]

That's a very interesting set of terms to use.
I for one would have a very careful view of people who see a need to call themselves "anti-establishment".
Great, you are against the establishment, so am i, but what are you for?
Even i don't like the establishment, but there are some other factions out there that are even worse (some hate establishment not for being too leftist, like the right wingers, but in fact hate it for not acting leftist enough right fucking now), so they, like the infamous antifa, have a very smart reason to advertise themselves by what they are against, rather than by what they stand for.

Enjoy your company of anarchists then. Those hate all governments, establishments etc.
Doesn't mean they are reasonable or that you would enjoy living (or dying more likely) in a place they run, but that's just one kind of shitty ideas you will encounter among people who are "anti-establishment".

I could just as easily tell you to enjoy your company of warmongers, and the establishment that you supposedly don't like; but let's not fall down the rabbit hole of guilt by association, okay? I am well aware that the enemy of my enemy is rarely ever my friend.

 

[Zachowon]

That is bad exactly how?
Exposing a murderer that wasn't caught or a person that recycles money from unethical and immoral dealings is praised and doesn't put anyone in jail or with an arrest warrant.
The same reasoning applies to US,EU and allies and their proxies.

Yet why didn't he publish things on Putin and Assad?