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[Poe]

If your conception of what Christianity is fundamentally wrong, there's no point in arguing over how similar it is or isn't to Islam.

To whit:

John 10:30: "I and the Father are one."

Jesus claiming divinity; people moved to stone him for saying this, because he was claiming divinity.

Luke 7:48-49: "Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."

The other guests began to say among themselves, "Who is this who even forgives sins?" "


I could go on with other quotes from Christ, no need for the pauline epistles, but the point is Christ as divinity is not a 'Pauline Gospel,' it is what Christ himself claimed to be.


So yes, those who claim Christ, but deny His teachings, are not in fact Christians, because they defy the meaning of the word. If your conception of 'Christian' includes those who reject the core of Christianity, then it's little wonder that you think Islam is 'close' to it, because you've made the category so broad as to be almost meaningless.

Neither of those quotes imply divinity and you aren't the only one who can use them. I'll entertain this for one more post, but as I said the point is that non-trinitarian christian groups existed historically and your opinion or constant attacking of me is irrelevant to the fact that you are wrong and nothing you can ever do or say will change that. You're also not the only one who can bring up quotes, that's why theological discussions usually don't rely explicitly on scripture as they are written as to be interpretable.

Luke 22:42 "Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done."
John 5:30: "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."
Mathew 24:36 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Even then, while Islam could reasonably be said to be closer to Christianity than polytheism, it certainly still isn't closer to it than Judaism. The Torah and the Jewish prophets teach the same vision of God as the Christian Bible does, the Jews simply refuse to accept Christ as the Messiah.

Islam, on the other hand, teaches a view of god that is closer to the (inaccurate) stereotypes of the old testament, a lot of wrath and vengeance, not much Love, grace, or patience. Further, instead of God forgiving man in spite of man's sin, Islam teaches that one earn's God's forgiveness through moral excellence. These are fundamentally incompatible ways of viewing the nature of divinity.

I disagree, and at this point don't care to continue. The point was always you said the other poster knew nothing of any of these religions because they said Islam and Christianity were close. They are close and tons of people, including many Christians historically and even the Quran itself, agree with this. Any disagreement you still have is either a personal opinion you stubbornly refuse to admit is such or willful ignorance.

At this point, I feel obliged to ask, what are your religious beliefs?

Not that its relevant, but I am a Christian

 

[LordsFire]

Neither of those quotes imply divinity and you aren't the only one who can use them.

Divinity is not only implied, but stated outright with 'I and the Father are one,' and that meaning was understood by those who He was speaking to at the time. That's why in one of the two instances I quoted, they moved to stone Jesus, for daring to claim to be God.

Have you been learning theology at one of the churches that's been overrun by leftist culture?

 

[Poe]

Divinity is not only implied, but stated outright with 'I and the Father are one,' and that meaning was understood by those who He was speaking to at the time. That's why in one of the two instances I quoted, they moved to stone Jesus, for daring to claim to be God.

I posted several quotes where he states the opposite, that they aren't one.

Have you been learning theology at one of the churches that's been overrun by leftist culture?

Bro just give up lmao I'm not interested in what you think nor has anything I said been a reflection of my personal beliefs. I am outright stating there have existed groups, historically, as part of the christian movement who had non-Pauline beliefs and this isn't up for debate. Stop with this strawman already.

 

[King Arts]

Divinity is not only implied, but stated outright with 'I and the Father are one,' and that meaning was understood by those who He was speaking to at the time. That's why in one of the two instances I quoted, they moved to stone Jesus, for daring to claim to be God.

There are other ways to take "I and the father are one."

Also there are other passages that one can argue that there is a seperation between Jesus and God and that Jesus is lesser than God.

Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.
Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didn't pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!"

Matthew 27:46
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

John 17:21-23
. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me.
In this prayer Jesus defines the term "to be one." It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that "to be one" does not mean to be "one and the same."

Have you been learning theology at one of the churches that's been overrun by leftist culture?

What a brain dead take. Honestly LordsFire you are just saying the most ignorant stuff. Arianism is a heresy but it's not a "woke" heresy.
Pentecostals are relatively conservative, and most Arians besides Jehova's Witnesses(who also aren't woke) are oneness pentecostals. Most secular society considers them to be a Christian denomination.

Oneness Pentecostalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Religious Landscape Study

Explore the geographic distribution and demographics of America's major religious groups.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[LordsFire]

I posted several quotes where he states the opposite, that they aren't one.

None of the verses you linked say any such thing.

And I'm not going to take this thread even further by starting a debate on the trinity, because that is a more complex subject easily worthy of its own thread.

 

[Marduk]

Justice Sought in Fatal Knife Attack on Ukrainian Basketball Prodigy Volodymyr Yermakov

Ukrainian basketball player Volodymyr Yermakov, 17, was fatally stabbed in Düsseldorf, Germany. Global calls for justice ensue as police detain a suspect.

bnnbreaking.com

While details about the suspect and the motivation behind the attack are still emerging, social media reports suggest that a group of individuals of Arab origin may have carried out the assault. The local police are urging anyone with information about the incident to come forward.

That might short-circuit some political belief systems...

 

[ATP]

Justice Sought in Fatal Knife Attack on Ukrainian Basketball Prodigy Volodymyr Yermakov

Ukrainian basketball player Volodymyr Yermakov, 17, was fatally stabbed in Düsseldorf, Germany. Global calls for justice ensue as police detain a suspect.

bnnbreaking.com

That might short-circuit some political belief systems...

That is german politics now.Muslims must kill european,just becouse.

During WW2 only reason why they do not destroyed Catholic Church was becouse they fight over which religion should replace it - hindu,islam or pagan.

Now,it seems,they made decision - IV Reich would be muslim.

 

[Terthna]

Justice Sought in Fatal Knife Attack on Ukrainian Basketball Prodigy Volodymyr Yermakov

Ukrainian basketball player Volodymyr Yermakov, 17, was fatally stabbed in Düsseldorf, Germany. Global calls for justice ensue as police detain a suspect.

bnnbreaking.com

That might short-circuit some political belief systems...

They'll just memory hole it, like they do with everything that doesn't match their narrative.

 

[TheRejectionist]

You know I wanted to post this in Happy News because is such a case of comedic AND karmic justice.

 

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[Abhorsen]

Gonzolo Lira was one of the big failures of the Biden Admin, IMO. That he wasn't released to the US was a complete disgrace. You don't have to like what he says, but the abject refusal to at all protect the press speaks volumes.

 

[Zachowon]

Gonzolo Lira was one of the big failures of the Biden Admin, IMO. That he wasn't released to the US was a complete disgrace. You don't have to like what he says, but the abject refusal to at all protect the press speaks volumes.

Did he ever ask to get out of Ukraine
Through the US?

 

[Marduk]

Gonzolo Lira was one of the big failures of the Biden Admin, IMO. That he wasn't released to the US was a complete disgrace. You don't have to like what he says, but the abject refusal to at all protect the press speaks volumes.

Did he ever ask to get out of Ukraine
Through the US?

This. No country will evacuate their citizen from another country at war against his will while he wants to stay there being retarded and committing crimes against allies.
No one has reached such a level of nanny state yet.
Not unlike the earlier, even more controversial case of non-militant ISIL supporters moving to ME.

 

[Abhorsen]

Did he ever ask to get out of Ukraine
Through the US?

His father repeatedly contacted the Embassy. There's reason to doubt Lira was able to once he was arrested.

 

[Marduk]

His father repeatedly contacted the Embassy. There's reason to doubt Lira was able to once he was arrested.

I'm pretty sure he was *well* over 18. His father cannot make him leave with US govt assistance when he doesn't want to. He had plenty of opportunity to leave before.
And when he finally went to prison for good, i guess the Ukrainian government had enough dirt on him that the US government decided to just not give a damn.

 

[Bacle]

Lira tried to sell photo's of UA air defense and troop positions to the FSB.

That is a clear and direct case of spying, and UA would have been justified shooting him as a spy long ago.

The only reason Lira didn't get a bullet in his head when shit first went down is because he was both incompetent at actually trying to contact the FSB (and thus Ukraine was able to get him first), as well as being an American citizen.

Lira was given many chances to stop trying to do stupid shit and given a slap on the wrist for espionage shit, and yet tried to flee Ukraine against the court orders he'd been given, so ended up in real prison, and died like others did when the hospital he was in lost the power to life-support machinery due to Russian airstrikes.

 

[Abhorsen]

I'm pretty sure he was *well* over 18. His father cannot make him leave with US govt assistance when he doesn't want to. He had plenty of opportunity to leave before.
And when he finally went to prison for good, i guess the Ukrainian government had enough dirt on him that the US government decided to just not give a damn.

The US government not giving a damn is exactly the problem.

Lira tried to sell photo's of UA air defense and troop positions to the FSB.

That is a clear and direct case of spying, and UA would have been justified shooting him as a spy long ago.

The only reason Lira didn't get a bullet in his head when shit first went down is because he was both incompetent at actually trying to contact the FSB (and thus Ukraine was able to get him first), as well as being an American citizen.

Lira was given many chances to stop trying to do stupid shit and given a slap on the wrist for espionage shit, and yet tried to flee Ukraine against the court orders he'd been given, so ended up in real prison, and died like others did when the hospital he was in lost the power to life-support machinery due to Russian airstrikes.

Funny, he wasn't accused of that. He was arrested for "production and dissemination of materials justifying Russia's armed aggression against Ukraine." That's free speech.

Though he did get executed by delaying medical help, so you got your bloodthirsty wish. I understand you don't consider russians as human and your bloodthirst and racism knows no bounds, but I thought you might have an exception for an American who disagreed with you. I guess not.