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Over 90% of all republicans are establishment types.
When it comes down to critical votes, they always betray us and vote with the democrats. You can count on one hand those who do not.

Besides which, this is not a new development.
The only thing Conservatives conserve is liberalism

This "they aren't real conservatives" is like how communists keep on saying "they were not true communists" for all those communist nations in history.

Ok as much as the establishment currently sucks we have to consider the environment they operated in.


Communism took over half of europe and much of the world, it was a global super power that had a skillset that specialized in underhanded, back stabbing, inteligence fights sharpened from the time of the fucking czars, and the united states decided to fight these guys in their tactics dispite being total fucking neo phytes that really didn't understand the world outside of our hemisphere.

This communist super power funded the left basically from 1920 to its collapse and the conservative movement was never going to get outside funding. It had to be home grown, every insitution was pretty much lost and conservative voices were basically more or less quietly silenced until Rush Limba finally cracked things open. (Liberals still hate him for that to this day)

This was a group of people faced with horendus odds and its a fucking miracle they did as well as they did....

The problem is the world has changed.

Conservatism as a movement is being replaced with a populist one, and Biden has unified the establishment under the democratic party. This will be the political battle that pretty much defines the rest of our lives.
 
Besides which, this is not a new development.
The only thing Conservatives conserve is liberalism

This tired old canard again?

Tell me you have no idea what you're talking about, without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Then explain to me how the situation in the West is so messed up. Because from where I’m standing, the various ‘conservative’ political groups and organizations could have done a hell of a lot more.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but a big part of it is that conservatives tend to follow the rules. Their actions are thus limited compared to the left who don't care at all about the rules just taking over.

It also doesn't help that a lot of the conservative leadership are only concerned with their own power, are corrupted and secretly in bed with the left, and actually hate their own base.

This is changing but pretty much since George Bush senior until Trump, Republicans were controlled opposition and only slowed down the lefts advance.

But it was primarily the leadership at fault. And they are experiencing a full blown revolt because the base is sick of them.
 
One thing I will point out is Conservative base is not the same as conservative politician. the average conservative individual is usually pretty chill to deal with. they just don' understand that voting can't be the only thing you do politically. you need to teach you values to the next generation. the average conservative politician is usually just an empty suit parroting what they think the base wants to hear every election cycle and then goes to the capitol or DC to party. then the lobbyists come around and make very reasonable sounding arguments on how they should vote so they rarely bother reading the bills in front of them.
 
The main problem is that conservatives have accepted basic tenets of leftism, such as equality, human rights and predominance of rationalism. They have literally accepted all the core bullshit of leftism, and the only thing that separates the modern Right from the Left is the degree of insanity they have chosen to embrace. But fundamentals are the same, and thus the modern Right has no ground to stand on when trying to fight the Left.
 
The main problem is that conservatives have accepted basic tenets of leftism, such as equality, human rights and predominance of rationalism. They have literally accepted all the core bullshit of leftism, and the only thing that separates the modern Right from the Left is the degree of insanity they have chosen to embrace. But fundamentals are the same, and thus the modern Right has no ground to stand on when trying to fight the Left.
Equality of citizens before the law, not "equity" of everything that leftists push under guise of equality, "human rights" are a propaganda term everyone means whatever they want under (see the migrant debates), and there is nothing wrong with rationalism unless you want to be Saudi Arabia without oil wealth to cover for idiocy.
 
One thing I will point out is Conservative base is not the same as conservative politician. the average conservative individual is usually pretty chill to deal with. they just don' understand that voting can't be the only thing you do politically.
Look at so called conservative politician voting history. You will see they are all rife with them voting for the other side.

Forget the actual fighting we want, they do not even do the bare minimum of voting against liberals
 
Equality of citizens before the law, not "equity" of everything that leftists push under guise of equality,
Equity all too easily gets pushed under the guise of equality:

Also, equality of citizens before the law is an ideal that has never been achieved. I'd rather have a monarch that is immune to law than live in a lie.
"human rights" are a propaganda term everyone means whatever they want under (see the migrant debates),
True, but it is precisely that idea of "human rights" that is a problem - for precisely that reason. If human rights are not God given but man-assigned, they can mean anything at all - which means that Left has a very wide area to play.

And the Right has been comprehensively failing to exploit the playing field in this area, if it is possible to exploit at all.
and there is nothing wrong with rationalism unless you want to be Saudi Arabia without oil wealth to cover for idiocy.
There is everything wrong with focusing on rationalism to the exclusion of everything else.

To put it simply: reason can answer the question how, but not the question why. To have a life worth living, you need to have emotional charge. That is why romanticism and similar ideas - such as nationalism etc. - are so important, and why the Left is so keen in attacking them.
 
Look at so called conservative politician voting history. You will see they are all rife with them voting for the other side.

Forget the actual fighting we want, they do not even do the bare minimum of voting against liberals

I do think we should differentiate between modern conservatives and the Religious right and Pat Buchanan types. The newer conservatives are little more than cultural embalmers and they think organizing and using boycotts and fear of pushback or being labeled racist or extremist will cause them to give ground.


The RR? Did whatever it wanted, whenever it wanted. Acted with impunity and fought back nasty and dirty.

Not a fan of protestantism but I respect the hell out of that grit and if the pooulist right wants to take over the GOP it needs to borrow some of that.

Whatever else they were, they weren't cucks.
 
Equity all too easily gets pushed under the guise of equality:
Of course it does when you even have politicians who don't understand the difference particularly well. 60's really broke the western socio-political system, with the successful pushing of some reasonable changes, but to large degree for wrong reasons, allowing those wrong reasons to sneak their way into acceptance and be used as support for further, no longer reasonable changes.
Also, equality of citizens before the law is an ideal that has never been achieved. I'd rather have a monarch that is immune to law than live in a lie.
Then you get a monarch that is immune to law and a whole network of monarch's well connected pals and their relatives that are also immune to law, plus the monarch's bureaucracy that's also immune to law and may or may not extend the immunity to laws for a price...
Asking again, how is that different from modern western country, except the "connected people's club" doesn't need to worry about getting replaced by another party and decimated if they abuse their position too much?
Long story short, that's a non-solution, i do not understand the monarchist's idealistic optimism regarding how well a monarchy would work. FFS, Saudi Arabia exists, it is a monarchy, but it's not a well functioning country despite having shitloads of easy money.
True, but it is precisely that idea of "human rights" that is a problem - for precisely that reason. If human rights are not God given but man-assigned, they can mean anything at all - which means that Left has a very wide area to play.

And the Right has been comprehensively failing to exploit the playing field in this area, if it is possible to exploit at all.
The left, or anyone else. They are originally intended as more of a minimum of law for non-barbaric states, the people who try to expand it into an override for democracy and national-self interest in controversial matters just need to be told off in no uncertain terms. Somehow places like Japan and Israel can live with more... sane practice of human rights without even getting cancelled by western institutions, all thanks to their internal status quo keeping the leftists away from levers of power. If Japan and Taiwan had western style left with western level of influence, then they would suddenly have a "boat people crisis" no smaller than that of Europe or Australia.

It's clearly the left's deep influence that's the main problem here, and also part of the establishment right's paralysis from taking any decisive counter-attacks against such sneaky moves. Without dealing with that, it's just a matter of tactical reorganization for these bastards to sneak in the same policy by another route.
There is everything wrong with focusing on rationalism to the exclusion of everything else.

To put it simply: reason can answer the question how, but not the question why. To have a life worth living, you need to have emotional charge. That is why romanticism and similar ideas - such as nationalism etc. - are so important, and why the Left is so keen in attacking them.
And another point is that these ideas, like nationalism, equality under the law, human rights, and many others, are not something that absolutely, positively must be perfectly applied. They cannot be and shouldn't be, because the core role of any good government is to weight these values against each other and balance them wherever they collide, and any government that will put one such idea as an absolute idea above all others that can be used as a magic word to do anything, will probably end up with increasingly extreme and unreasonable governance. Put in that term, a lot of the right's complaints are basically unbalanced leadership, with human rights and equality being expansive and pushing over the rightful place of national self interest, freedom of speech, economic freedom and so on, even "will of the people" itself despite its status in democracy.
 


Second link. Don't be that guy. Don't impregnate a THOT (or THOY). He took care of her kids from other men, yet she killed his. That's just stone cold. Sadly, everything about this guy screamed he was a weak. The crying and pleading. Dude, if you're doing that its already over. such things repulse women and will only ensure she destroys your genetic legacy. I feel bad for him. No one should suffer like that. But my feeling bad for him is muted by the fact he clearly choose the wrong kind of woman. That sounds cold, but that's just life.
 
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i do not understand the monarchist's idealistic optimism regarding how well a monarchy would work. FFS, Saudi Arabia exists,
I still support democracy, but personally I always found constitutional monarchy to be attractive if it turns out democracy might not hold out.

Monarchy, dictatorship or democracy, I still hold that the ultimate poison is a formalized hereditary aristocracy and caste system.

I would rather live under a single absolutist hereditary monarch than be crushed by a long ladder of hereditary middle managers.

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I still support democracy, but personally I always found constitutional monarchy to be attractive if it turns out democracy might hold out.

Monarchy, dictatorship or democracy. I still hold that the ultimate poison is a formalized hereditary aristocracy and caste system.

I would rather live under a single absolutist hereditary monarch than be crushed than be ruled by a long ladder of hereditary middle managers.
The problem is that much like with other systems, the reality is not living up to the theory, it's just an observation. There are a number of figurehead royalty in Europe, and some proper ones around the world. What are they like, and what is their rule like? Well, looking at the European ones, if you're looking for someone who will shove a middle finger in the face of every whining SJW who wants some silly SJW policy, monarchy is definitely not the system of governance you are looking for, considering what kind of people most of the would be monarchs are.

Also the idea that monarchy prevents the plagues of excessive and dysfunctional middle management is pure fantasy, there is absolutely zero guarantee that a monarchy avoids it, and there are historical examples of such dysfunctional bureaucracies existing under monarchs for generations.
 
There are a number of figurehead royalty in Europe, and some proper ones around the world. What are they like, and what is their rule like? Well, looking at the European ones, if you're looking for someone who will shove a middle finger in the face of every whining SJW who wants some silly SJW policy, monarchy is definitely not the system of governance you are looking for, considering what kind of people most of the would be monarchs are.
Constitutional monarchy is a spectrum. England has been a constitutional monarchy since either the Magna Carta in 1215, over 800 years ago, or the English Civil War in 1688. But if you looked at the system back then you would have said that there was zero similarity to the Kingdom of the Netherlands (for example).

Over time more and more power has been taken from hereditary titles, and given to elected representatives... Who are members of hereditary middle-manager families. Democracy isn't the process of distributing power to the masses, it's the process of exchanging our hereditary elites.

I'm not even saying that's a bad thing, to be clear, if it's this natural then it's probably for the best in some sense. I just prefer it when the cast structure is blatant rathe than hidden.
 

Second video. Don't be that guy. Don't impregnate a THOT (or THOY). He took care of her kids from other men, yet she killed his. That's just stone cold. Sadly, everything about this guy screamed he was a weak. The crying and pleading. Dude, if you're doing that its already over. such things repulse women and will only ensure she destroys your genetic legacy. I feel bad for him. No one should suffer like that. But my feeling bad for him is muted by the fact he clearly choose the wrong kind of woman. That sounds cold, but that's just life.
Emotionally
I feel sympathy towards the poor guy and the poor innocent baby.
I feel utter disgust and loathing towards the woman.
But... rationality has to prevail here over emotion.
Every liberal deserves an abortion.

Logically viewed, she did a good thing.
Cuck genes removed from gene pool.
99% chance cucks would be voting liberal.

There is nothing a woman finds more revolting than a cuck, and for good reasons.
She killed his son because she was utterly revolted at the thought of bringing such a genetically defective cuck baby into the world

Never touch a whore with a batch of kids from assorted men.
 
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Of course it does when you even have politicians who don't understand the difference particularly well. 60's really broke the western socio-political system, with the successful pushing of some reasonable changes, but to large degree for wrong reasons, allowing those wrong reasons to sneak their way into acceptance and be used as support for further, no longer reasonable changes.
Thing is, they don't want to understand it. Yeah, 60s basically destroyed the West - though the process actually began in 1918. and kicked into high gear after 1945. when everyone focused on evils of Nazism and conveniently forgot even greater evils of Communism.
Then you get a monarch that is immune to law and a whole network of monarch's well connected pals and their relatives that are also immune to law, plus the monarch's bureaucracy that's also immune to law and may or may not extend the immunity to laws for a price...
Asking again, how is that different from modern western country, except the "connected people's club" doesn't need to worry about getting replaced by another party and decimated if they abuse their position too much?
Long story short, that's a non-solution, i do not understand the monarchist's idealistic optimism regarding how well a monarchy would work. FFS, Saudi Arabia exists, it is a monarchy, but it's not a well functioning country despite having shitloads of easy money.
Difference is that monarch will be looking to leave something to his children. In other words, country is his investment. That is not how modern Western elites think.

Consider why capitalism works better than socialism, and then apply it to difference between monarchy and modern democracy.

Also, in a modern western country the "connected people's club" still doesn't need to worry about getting replaced by another party and decimated if they abuse their position too much. In fact, democracy makes it safer for them to abuse the power, because the real power handlers have a buch of easy scapegoats acting as the ablative armor and taking blame on a periodic basis. Plus, people keep getting false hope of a real change (e.g. Trump) on a semi-periodic basis, making actual change that less likely to happen.

Saudi Arabia is still a far better functioning country than any Arab country that has attempted to become a republic / democracy / whatever. There is no compensating for the culture.
The left, or anyone else. They are originally intended as more of a minimum of law for non-barbaric states, the people who try to expand it into an override for democracy and national-self interest in controversial matters just need to be told off in no uncertain terms. Somehow places like Japan and Israel can live with more... sane practice of human rights without even getting cancelled by western institutions, all thanks to their internal status quo keeping the leftists away from levers of power. If Japan and Taiwan had western style left with western level of influence, then they would suddenly have a "boat people crisis" no smaller than that of Europe or Australia.

It's clearly the left's deep influence that's the main problem here, and also part of the establishment right's paralysis from taking any decisive counter-attacks against such sneaky moves. Without dealing with that, it's just a matter of tactical reorganization for these bastards to sneak in the same policy by another route.
And another point is that these ideas, like nationalism, equality under the law, human rights, and many others, are not something that absolutely, positively must be perfectly applied. They cannot be and shouldn't be, because the core role of any good government is to weight these values against each other and balance them wherever they collide, and any government that will put one such idea as an absolute idea above all others that can be used as a magic word to do anything, will probably end up with increasingly extreme and unreasonable governance. Put in that term, a lot of the right's complaints are basically unbalanced leadership, with human rights and equality being expansive and pushing over the rightful place of national self interest, freedom of speech, economic freedom and so on, even "will of the people" itself despite its status in democracy.
Agreed.
 
Thing is, they don't want to understand it. Yeah, 60s basically destroyed the West - though the process actually began in 1918. and kicked into high gear after 1945. when everyone focused on evils of Nazism and conveniently forgot even greater evils of Communism.

Difference is that monarch will be looking to leave something to his children. In other words, country is his investment. That is not how modern Western elites think.
>his children
Yes, his children. Not his subjects. The less convenient fact for this odd neo-monarchist promotion to the right is that monarchs don't need to give a damn who their subjects are, the more the merrier, and whether they like it there, just whether they are in a position to rebel.
Which in turn is not so different from the clown world elites at all, except without even need to pretend otherwise.
In practical example of where this conclusion leads, you have Saudi Arabia and North Korea, where the ruler definitely wants to leave something to his children, but on the other hand it's also not something one would like to live in, but that's not a problem for them, that's a problem for the subjects.
Consider why capitalism works better than socialism, and then apply it to difference between monarchy and modern democracy.
Capitalism doesn't work so well at all without competition. There is competition in modern democracy, at least there's supposed to be, the worst functioning modern democracies have their competition mechanisms failing.
Meanwhile, in monarchy there is no competition written into the system, at all. Yeah, a monarch can be overthrown or assassinated, but that's an extreme solution outside the system, and applies to democracies as any other system too.
Also, in a modern western country the "connected people's club" still doesn't need to worry about getting replaced by another party and decimated if they abuse their position too much. In fact, democracy makes it safer for them to abuse the power, because the real power handlers have a buch of easy scapegoats acting as the ablative armor and taking blame on a periodic basis. Plus, people keep getting false hope of a real change (e.g. Trump) on a semi-periodic basis, making actual change that less likely to happen.
That's an argument against having huge established bureaucracies more than anything else.
Those have historically caused plenty enough problems in all sorts of systems though.
Saudi Arabia is still a far better functioning country than any Arab country that has attempted to become a republic / democracy / whatever. There is no compensating for the culture.
Some in North Africa certainly work no worse than that, especially after correcting for the oil money.
 

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