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The Immortal Watch Dog said:
My issue is that a lot of these laws kinda ignore that domestic abusers groom their partners much in the same way trannies (Though to be fair there's an 80% overlap here) and cult leaders groom the vulnerable. And there should probably have been some effort to see if Hogue wasn't battered to the point where her brain broke.
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It's not just her and you yourself admitted that you had an abusive parent.
 
bintananth said:
It's not just her and you yourself admitted that you had an abusive parent.
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And I fully agree with the idea that when one abuse victim dies, the others are partially responsible for that death. To varying degrees, a degree that if determined suspicious should result in imprisonment.

My father wasn't a coward and is strong, so my brothers and I are alive and moved well beyond that. Another spouse in that situation would have lost his or children to inaction and I do think they should pay for that to some degree.
 
If the article is accurately portraying events, it sounds like she was being gaslighted by her boyfriend in regards to her two year old sons minor injuries.

BBC said:
Two weeks before Ryder died, Hogue noticed bruises and cuts on his body, she told police. She took photos, and began searching on her phone for warning signs that a child might be being abused.

But when she confronted Trent about it, he told her that boys get "nicks and bruises", according to police interviews.

Two days before Ryder's death, while giving him a bath, Hogue noticed her son was lethargic. She again confronted Trent, who suggested that Ryder must have had the flu.

Hogue later told police she searched online for symptoms of the flu, and also for signs of how a child might act if they were being abused. She said she searched for those things because "she attracts those kinds of men".

The state says her searches prove she knew Trent was abusing her child, but she forgave him.

Hogue says she searched because she was cautious, but ultimately believed Trent's explanations for the injuries.

"She said she fell for it again because he manipulated her," the police report reads.
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However she was found guilty apparently in a jury trial.

BBC said:
Several pieces of evidence were not allowed into trial, which Hogue's pro-bono attorney Andrew Casey believes could have helped her case.

The tree-carving with the words "Rebecca is innocent" was considered hearsay, and a ban was placed on distributing those images.

The lead detective who investigated the murder was not allowed to give his opinion on the merits of the case, and an audio recording that captured him discussing it with a friend of Hogue was not allowed into court.

On the recording, obtained by the BBC, he admits that his team looked into the question of whether to lay charges and decided they did not have enough evidence for a "failure to protect" first-degree murder charge.

"We don't believe in this charge and there's a good chance she ends up in prison anyway because of the way the system is," Detective Sean Judy can be heard saying on the recording.

The district attorney's office chose to bypass police charges by asking a jury to ask a jury to decide if charges should be brought, which is allowed in some American jurisdictions, rather than bringing police charges. Ultimately, the jury decided charges were warranted.

The district attorney did not respond to the BBC's request for comment.

And finally, the jury were not allowed to hear expert testimony about Hogue's previous experiences with domestic violence and how it could affect her, because she was not the one being physically abused by Trent.

Over the eight-day trial, prosecutors repeatedly showed graphic images of Ryder's dead body covered in bruises, including leaving a picture of his bruised genitals up for 10 minutes during closing arguments.

It took the jury less than two hours to convict.
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While I tend to agree that there should be "punitive" measures in regards to crimes, I'm not sure I would in this case if again, the article is portraying the incident accurately. Serving a sentence for first degree murder seems like adding more punishment onto the woman whose apparently already dealing with prior abuse herself, and the fact that she was dating (and allegedly gaslit) by a boyfriend who murdered her two year old and then committed suicide. And you know, waking up next to the dead body of your two year old toddler is probably rather punishing on ones psyche as well.

I mean I'm sure that a twenty to life sentence would make her feel even more punished, but I'm not sure to what end? She already has a dead baby on her conscience and that seems like it would be pretty punitive feeling right off the bat. 🤷‍♀️

The Oklahoma Department of Corrections seems to be in disagreement with the Jury FWIW.

BBC said:
The jury recommended life with parole only possible after 38 years, but the Oklahoma Department of Corrections said a deferred sentence, with no jail time and mandatory counselling, is more appropriate.
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The Immortal Watch Dog said:
And I fully agree with the idea that when one abuse victim dies, the others are partially responsible for that death. To varying degrees, a degree that if determined suspicious should result in imprisonment.

My father wasn't a coward and is strong, so my brothers and I are alive and moved well beyond that. Another spouse in that situation would have lost his or children to inaction and I do think they should pay for that to some degree.
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I don't think they should. We all have to put up with bullshit on a daily basis and the line between "that's not a big deal" and "oh hell no, that's unacceptable" is very fuzzy.
 
bintananth said:
I don't think they should. We all have to put up with bullshit on a daily basis and the line between "that's not a big deal" and "oh hell no, that's unacceptable" is very fuzzy.
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I think "my baby looks roughed up and my man says it was the flu for the nineteenth time and I am self aware enough to know that I am attracted to homicidal lunatics" is where most people would take their baby to an emergency room say "I'm afraid my son has a brain bleed." And then call the cops.
 
The Immortal Watch Dog said:
I think "my baby looks roughed up and my man says it was the flu for the nineteenth time and I am self aware enough to know that I am attracted to homicidal lunatics" is where most people would take their baby to an emergency room say "I'm afraid my son has a brain bleed." And then call the cops.
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You mentioned that you were abused and got lucky because your dad put a stop to it.

A lot of people aren't.
 
The Immortal Watch Dog said:
No, I'm saying that at a certain point when it involves the deaths of others that said victim could have prevented the egregiousness nullifies the mental damage.

Being battered isn't an excuse.
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Abuse victims are often reluctant to call the cops because they're afraid of what the abuser might do in response to their call for help.
 
The Immortal Watch Dog said:
No, I'm saying that at a certain point when it involves the deaths of others that said victim could have prevented the egregiousness nullifies the mental damage.

Being battered isn't an excuse.
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It's almost like we have moral obligations that sometimes require us to take risks.
bintananth said:
Abuse victims are often reluctant to call the cops because they're afraid of what the abuser might do in response to their call for help.
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The above-mentioned obligations are stern when it comes to defenseless children.
 
bintananth said:
Abuse victims are often reluctant to call the cops because they're afraid of what the abuser might do in response to their call for help.
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And there are times when the abuse one is a witness too or a victim of, reaches levels where the other victims in the situation are on your head when you refuse to act.

Saying nothing while someone brains a baby, or staying silent while someone rapes and tortures your siblings or innocents ala several of the more infamous cases is where I believe you stop being a victim and start becoming to varying degrees a criminal co-conspirator.


Whitestrake Pelinal said:
It's almost like we have moral obligations that sometimes require us to take risks.
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And suffer extreme consequences for said risks should they not pan out, because failure to do so invites something infinitely worse or constitutes such a catastrophic failing of your moral character that you forfeit the right to sympathy and clemency.

I do not understand how..remaining abused is preferable to risking abuse to escape.

They never stop until they are made to stop. Even animals understand this...

Whitestrake Pelinal said:
The above-mentioned obligations are stern when it comes to defenseless children.
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Absolutely.
 
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The man charged with the brutal stabbing murder of 4-year-old Cash Gernon was found incompetent to stand trial after he was assessed by both the prosecution and his defense team. Dallas Police claimed that Darriynn Brown kidnapped the boy from his bed and stabbed him to death in May 2021. The...
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Psychologist claims unborn babies can give permission for abortion

In the article “Conscious Abortion: Engaging the Fetus in a Compassionate Dialogue” in the Journal of Prenatal and Perinatal Psychology and Health, psychologist Claudette Nantel encourages women to communicate with their baby before an abortion, tell them how much they love them, say goodbye...
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One woman “heard” the child say no.

After getting this “answer,” the woman responded, “You don’t mean that?”

Watkins recalls what happened next:

[She] continued the process of weeping and talking to the fetus at home until there was only silence in response. She concluded the fetus accepted her intended surgical intervention. She began the abortion visualization, but no miscarriage occurred.

The surgical intervention was accomplished without complication, healing was rapid, and the client felt little or no remorse. She knew at all levels she had made the appropriate decision for herself.8

So apparently the baby, by his or her silence, consented to be aborted after all.
 
Whitestrake Pelinal said:
So apparently the baby, by his or her silence, consented to be aborted after all.
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The "best" part is where she believes the fetus was apparently saying "no" repeatedly. Before finally giving up and stopped saying anything, at which point (struggle ceased) it became consent in her mind.

I mean, obviously the fetus said nothing. but that is some mentally warped mother. On the plus side, society is spared from whatever would result from this psychopath raising a child
 
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