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bintananth

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I just can't believe a judge ruled like this, in Texas of all places.
It's a child custody case. Most of the time the kid winds up with mommy even when it's clear mommy doesn't want the kid or that daddy is the better parent. Toss in a really old-fashioned sexist judge (not uncommon in Texas) and the kid ain't winding up with daddy unless mommy is in prison and grandma's dead.

Daddy's best chance of gaining custody is when the judge is a pinko commie liberal.
 

LordsFire

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Daddy's best chance of gaining custody is when the judge is a pinko commie liberal.

...Really? I'm curious where you come to this conclusion from, because from what I've seen, the more leftist judges tend to lean all the further into 'only the mother gets meaningful parental rights' position. This is not an area I've exhaustively researched, so I'm not going to claim strong confidence in that perception, so please feel free do broaden my horizons here.
 

bintananth

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...Really? I'm curious where you come to this conclusion from, because from what I've seen, the more leftist judges tend to lean all the further into 'only the mother gets meaningful parental rights' position. This is not an area I've exhaustively researched, so I'm not going to claim strong confidence in that perception, so please feel free do broaden my horizons here.
There's the traditional "dad works, mom stays at home with the kids" ideal that conservatives are much more wedded to than liberals are. The more liberal the judge the more likely they are to say "dad should get the kids and mom should be the one paying child support" because of this.

Mom's still going to get the kids most of the time regardless of the judge's political leanings unless mom's an proveably irresponsible screw up.
 

LordsFire

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There's the traditional "dad works, mom stays at home with the kids" ideal that conservatives are much more wedded to than liberals are. The more liberal the judge the more likely they are to say "dad should get the kids and mom should be the one paying child support" because of this.

Mom's still going to get the kids most of the time regardless of the judge's political leanings unless mom's an proveably irresponsible screw up.

...I was wondering if you had examples, or something. Not ideological rhetoric.
 

Terthna

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There's the traditional "dad works, mom stays at home with the kids" ideal that conservatives are much more wedded to than liberals are. The more liberal the judge the more likely they are to say "dad should get the kids and mom should be the one paying child support" because of this.

Mom's still going to get the kids most of the time regardless of the judge's political leanings unless mom's an proveably irresponsible screw up.
I have literally never heard of something like this happening; could you give me an example of a liberal judge giving custody to the father, as well as awarding him child support?
 

Marduk

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There's the traditional "dad works, mom stays at home with the kids" ideal that conservatives are much more wedded to than liberals are.
And the irony is that there is nothing traditional about that. This meme is an artifact of few golden decades of US prosperity. Elsewhere in the world and also earlier in USA, there is a subtly different variant "dad works, in case of most people on a farm, mom does housework and also farmwork". But now housework is mostly automated compared to these times and most people don't live on a farm, so as far as tradition goes that's quite a new territory.
 

PsihoKekec

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Catholic clergyman killed in France, suspect reportedly under police supervision for arson of cathedral
A Catholic priest has been killed in Saint-Laurent-sur-Sevre, a commune in the Vendee, by a man who had reportedly been placed under police supervision, having set fire to a cathedral in Nantes in 2020.
On Monday, a Catholic clergyman was found dead in the town of Saint-Laurent-sur-Sevre. The French regional deputy prosecutor, Yannick Le Goater, confirmed that the suspect – a Rwandan national – had been arrested, following earlier reports that he had handed himself in.
Retailleau stated that Maire had been hosting the perpetrator at the time. “His death testifies to the kindness of this priest whom I knew well and whose depth of faith I had been able to appreciate,” he added.

Kind of reminds of the fable of the toad and the scorpion.
 

ATP

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There is older version of monks and scorpion. Old monk saved scorpion few times from fire or water,and was sting every time.
Young monk asked why -
and old monk said that scorpion sting becouse of its nature,nust like he save its becouse of his nature.
I bet,that clergyman was aware of what muslims do to him,but he helped them anyway.
I would not do that,but i am bad catholic.
 

JagerIV

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It's a child custody case. Most of the time the kid winds up with mommy even when it's clear mommy doesn't want the kid or that daddy is the better parent. Toss in a really old-fashioned sexist judge (not uncommon in Texas) and the kid ain't winding up with daddy unless mommy is in prison and grandma's dead.

Daddy's best chance of gaining custody is when the judge is a pinko commie liberal.

This doesn't really pass the smell test. The traditional, conservative thing was the dad got the kids most of the time in case of divorce/marriage problems, because the dad was the provider.

The woman getting the kids and generous child support was a specifically left wing feminist reform to the law.

Tender years doctorine:

Historically, English family law gave custody of the children to the father after a divorce. Until the 19th century, the women had few individual rights and obligations, most being derived through their fathers or husbands. In the early nineteenth century, Caroline Norton, a prominent social reformer author, journalist, and society beauty, began to campaign for the right of women to have custody of their children. Norton, who had undergone a divorce and been deprived of her children, worked with politicians and eventually was able to convince the British Parliament to enact legislation to protect mothers' rights, with the Custody of Infants Act 1839, which gave some discretion to the judge in a child custody case and established a presumption of maternal custody for children under the age of seven years maintaining the responsibility from financial support to their husbands.[1] In 1873, the Parliament extended the presumption of maternal custody until a child reached sixteen.[2] The doctrine spread in many states of the world because of the British Empire. By the end of the 20th century, the doctrine was established in most of the United States and Europe.

The use of the best interests doctrine represented a 20th-century shift in public policy. The best interests doctrine is an aspect of parens patriae, and in the United States it has replaced the Tender Years Doctrine, which rested on the basis that children are not resilient, and almost any change in a child's living situation would be detrimental to their well-being.

Until the early 1900s, fathers were given custody of the children in case of divorce. Many U.S. states then shifted from this standard to one that completely favored the mother as the primary caregiver. In the 1970s, the Tender Years Doctrine was replaced by the best interests of the child as determined by family courts. Because many family courts continued to give great weight to the traditional role of the mother as the primary caregiver, application of this standard in custody historically tended to favor the mother of the children.

 
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Abhishekm

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It's a child custody case. Most of the time the kid winds up with mommy even when it's clear mommy doesn't want the kid or that daddy is the better parent. Toss in a really old-fashioned sexist judge (not uncommon in Texas) and the kid ain't winding up with daddy unless mommy is in prison and grandma's dead.

Daddy's best chance of gaining custody is when the judge is a pinko commie liberal.
Yeah, I'm sure the judge here was a regular old Bible thumper. People still buy this drivel?
 

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