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RenegadeInterrupt said:
Yeah but the US Democrats have always had a soft spot for China and have probably helped a lot in elevating them to near-peer status
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I mean their rise to power was almost exclusively due to Bill Clinton letting them into the WTO and giving them most favored nation status. And then all our manufacturing picked up and went there because slave labor and no regulations is much cheaper than being here.

So, yeah, you could say democrats had a hand in it.
 
Stop calling it slave labor when it's actually paid jobs, and much better paid than most of the country to boot. Like, people literally move to cities because they're desperate for what you call "slave labor".
 
SoliFortissimi said:
Stop calling it slave labor when it's actually paid jobs, and much better paid than most of the country to boot. Like, people literally move to cities because they're desperate for what you call "slave labor".
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1. Apple factory in china literally has in factory dorms, forbids the workers from leaving / being visited by their families for 18 months in a row (after which they get cycled out), and literally beat the slowest workers.

Nestle coco plantations literally use slaves who are explicitly referred to as slaves. with whips and chains and so on.

Just because you live in a bubble does not mean that actual honest to god literal slavery is gone.

2. Wage-slavery is sadly real. A combination of ruinous taxes, inflation, and everything being owned and rented out to you... this allows the aristocracy to steal the labor of the serfs and ensure they can never accumulate enough wealth to escape the rat race. It is a genious but evil system, that makes it neigh impossible to stage slave revolts. And removes the need for well paid whip holders.
 
SoliFortissimi said:
and are free to leave your job
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There are more forms of slavery than every-waking-hour forced labor. It is in fact more historically typical for the legal model governing slavery to have ample time for voluntary jobs on the side used to earn enough wealth to buy one's own freedom, which the company towns in offshoring are often difficult to distinguish from in practical terms.

And I again mention that indentured servitude, the practice of signing a contract for something up-front that obliges one to do unpayed work for the other signatory, was specifically banned for its practicalities being far too close to the outright humans-as-livestock Antebellum institution.

Notably, the dominant use in the United States for quite some time was paying for the voyage to reach it, quite thoroughly comparable to the illegal immigrants' situation, and to my recollection refusing to clear an indenture contract is what resulted in the first proper lifelong slave in the northern colonies.
 
SoliFortissimi said:
Except we're not talking about actual slaves, so get back on topic.

If you're being paid and are free to leave your job, you're not a slave.
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1. The argument started when you explicitly replied to someone explicitly stating that USA companies moved manufactured abroad to places like china where they could staff their factories with slave labor.
So we are in fact talking about actual literal slaves.

2. If I don't give 1/3rd of the money I earn to the govt, armed enforcers in a blue uniform will put me in a metal cage where I will be raped.
As such I have always promptly given that money to the govt because I don't like being raped in cages.

The govt then prints money which steals another 1/3rd of my money. Leaving me with a mere 1/3rd.

Most of the remaining then gets predatorily siphoned off for corrupt healthcare and rent which are incredibly predatory and corrupt and full of quite frankly evil and unfair systems.

Wage-slaves are a form of slavery where the slave choose WHICH job they do, and then the artistocrat remotely steals all his money. This removes the ability of the aristocrat to dictate what job each person works at. But in exchange gives the aristocrat great distance from his slaves who could be on the other side of the country, and thus cannot harm him during any attempted slave revolt.

PS. Thanks to DOGE we have recently discovered that 95% of the taxes and 95% of the printed money (aka 2/3rds of my income) value are being siphoned by the oligarchs for both their pet projects and lining their own pockets. (as somehow we keep on having high ranking govt employees on a govt salary of <200k a year somehow increasing their net worth by 2 to 3 million a year. magically)
 
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Captain X said:
"If you don't do what we say and accept these wages, we'll report you to Immigration."
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That's a great idea for restricting ICE, but not for paid work being slavery.
mrttao said:
to someone explicitly stating that USA companies moved manufactured abroad to places like china where they could staff their factories with slave labor.
So we are in fact talking about actual literal slaves.
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No, we're talking about well paid and highly sought out jobs.
 
mrttao said:
The govt then prints money which steals another 1/3rd of my money. Leaving me with a mere 1/3rd.
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Oh yea, and let us not forget that every few years someone gets the idea to privately distribute gold and silver to try and avoid this inflation theft.

At which point the govt sends armed enforcers in blue uniform to steal all the gold and put those people in a cage where they are raped.
 
SoliFortissimi said:
If you're being paid and are free to leave your job, you're not a slave.
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The huji/hukou system actively restricts Chinese workers from both finding jobs or leaving jobs once obtained, or obtaining the pay that job would earn someone registered inside the city/district they work within (for that matter, illegal workers can't go to the government about not being paid--'country bumpkin who doesn't get paid up-front for his job' is an open trope in the PRC and one of the contributors to shoddy work in the usual industries migrant laborers are used in--heavy construction as the stereotypical).

What the US experiences in minor via illegal immigrant labor and businesses skirting rules to pay less for production, the PRC has as a standardized business practice with active government assistance.
 
prinCZess said:
The huji/hukou system actively restricts Chinese workers from both finding jobs or leaving jobs once obtained, or obtaining the pay that job would earn someone registered inside the city/district they work within (for that matter, illegal workers can't go to the government about not being paid--'country bumpkin who doesn't get paid up-front for his job' is an open trope in the PRC and one of the contributors to shoddy work in the usual industries migrant laborers are used in--heavy construction as the stereotypical).

What the US experiences in minor via illegal immigrant labor and businesses skirting rules to pay less for production, the PRC has as a standardized business practice with active government assistance.
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Which is bad, but still not slavery.
 
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