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[ThatZenoGuy]

they haven't let the nukes fly because they don't want to become radioactive toast.

...Did...Did Iraq want to become radioactive toast? I don't think they even wanted to become the IRL-timeline regular variety of toast!

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Point taken about Pakistan: Although they do sponsor various Islamist groups along India's borders "unofficially", they haven't let the nukes fly because they don't want to become radioactive toast.

And it's for that very same reason that the Taliban tried to avoid fighting the US in the field when possible, why Iran makes sure not to test the US too much, why Egypt eventually decided to purge its Islamists, and why nobody messes with China despite its Muslim Concentration Camps.

They are not irrational madmen. They are rational people pursuing irrational goals.

 

[ATP]

Point taken about Pakistan: Although they do sponsor various Islamist groups along India's borders "unofficially", they haven't let the nukes fly because they don't want to become radioactive toast.

And the same would go for every othe muslim.Fanatics want to live,too.At least their leaders.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Sidenote : there are nuclear warheads/bombs that are still counted as "missing" because nobody found them (or declared to have found them) both with the US and Russia (mostly during the 1990s because of the post-Soviet collapse if I recall correctly) and there is a good chance at least one of them fell in the hands of a bad actor.

The reason why nobody used it so far? There's no definite answer and only speculation.

My ideas are the following : maintaince was more difficult than expected, not to mention storing it safely and whoever kept them/it threw the towel and abandoned the idea; they sold the material to whoever who could what they couldn't; they might have realized they value self-preservation more than vengeance or other objectives because you can maximum aspire to a Sum of All Fears scenario where your rivals annihilate each other and you remain relatively intact (for lack of a better term) or the nuclear whack a mole starts because nobody can point the finger to a definite culprit, so everyone gets screwed.

 

[King Arts]

Religious states always have a degree of instability in them because their fundamentalism drives them to commit actions in the name of their religion or god. While often this is just typical bias for those of their religion, with Islam it's a whole different ball game because the religion is inherently intolerant, expansionist by the point of the sword, and aggressive.

And, yes, I am aware that states driven by other motivations, such as communism or nationalism, can be just as irrational, too. We saw that with Nazi Germany's flavour of government.

But I have zero doubts that if an Islamist had control of a nuclear weapon, he or she would deploy it against those who stand against their religion in their eyes, even if they die in the attempt and regardless of other consequences.

Even a communist would consider the ramifications like any other sane person and go "yeah, maybe firing a nuke at Washington, London, or Tel-Aviv is a bad idea because we'd end up all dead in the aftermath".

An Islamist would be all for it for killing "infidels" and going to "heaven" alongside their friends and family.

Also, Iraq under Saddam wasn't a Muslim state: Yes, it was the official religion, but basically it was a socialist state one short step from outright communism at the top. What they did wasn't in the name of Allah or Islam but nationalism, racism, and political, not religious, ideology.

I'm sorry but this nonsense is pretty stupid that many American neo cons say. No the only radical religious group that WOULD launch a suicidal nuclear launch to kill all humans is Evangelical protestants. Because their religion is focused solely on if they go to heaven. Islam and Judaism are different as their religion as a whole host of rules on what you have to do. Just being a "believer" and then not following the moral rules isn't enough in traditional religions like Islam, Judaism, and real Apostolic Christianity. Hell I'll even give a source of an actual Islamist in the US.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

.....well, that was unexpected. I thought you were an evangelical.

 

[King Arts]

.....well, that was unexpected. I thought you were an evangelical.

No I'm Eastern Orthodox, I heavily dislike and look down on evangelicals.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

No I'm Eastern Orthodox, I heavily dislike and look down on evangelicals.

Interesting. I guess I misjudged you. I apologize.

 

[Bigking321]

No the only radical religious group that WOULD launch a suicidal nuclear launch to kill all humans is Evangelical protestants.

This is perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Congratulations. It's not a achievement I would have gone for myself but to each their own.

 

[mrttao]

Religious states always have a degree of instability in them because their fundamentalism drives them to commit actions in the name of their religion or god.

Can confirm, look at all those butthole worshipping western countries whose major religions are woke, communism, LGBTQP, and global warming.
Their every action is insane and motivated entirely by their religious beliefs.

 

[King Arts]

This is perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Congratulations. It's not an achievement I would have gone for myself but to each their own.

It’s not stupid evangelicals are a death cult.

 

[TheRejectionist]

No I'm Eastern Orthodox, I heavily dislike and look down on evangelicals.

I have somewhat the same feeling, but that's because of how pervasive they have become in certain Latino countries. Also, it doesn't help that an Evangelical member did molest a cousin of mine because the guy was a members of the church.

It’s not stupid evangelicals are a death cult.

Eh...disagree on here. I would describe them as a narcissistic foreign culture fetish doomsday cult that wants to hasten said doomsday. And also influence a "bit" too much foreign policy.

 

[King Arts]

I have somewhat the same feeling, but that's because of how pervasive they have become in certain Latino countries. Also, it doesn't help that an Evangelical member did molest a cousin of mine because the guy was a members of the church.

Eh...disagree on here. I would describe them as a narcissistic foreign culture fetish doomsday cult that wants to hasten said doomsday. And also influence a "bit" too much foreign policy.

How is a doomsday cult not a death cult?

 

[TheRejectionist]

How is a doomsday cult not a death cult?

Well they haven't started crusades...in the USA or other countries. Yet.

In Brazil, Religious Gang Leaders Say They’re Waging a Holy War

The expression “evangelical drug trafficker” may sound incongruous, but in Rio de Janeiro, it’s an increasingly familiar phenomenon.

insightcrime.org

Brazil is a whole different story.

 

[Bigking321]

It’s not stupid evangelicals are a death cult.

All those examples of evangelical suicide bombers and such.

I have no idea what you have against them but you are very mistaken about them.

 

[Ixian]

Evangelicals can't be a death cult, that would put a crimp in the whole "evangelizing" portion of their whole shtick.

Hard to evangelize to dead folk.

 

[King Arts]

Well they haven't started crusades...in the USA or other countries. Yet.

In Brazil, Religious Gang Leaders Say They’re Waging a Holy War

The expression “evangelical drug trafficker” may sound incongruous, but in Rio de Janeiro, it’s an increasingly familiar phenomenon.

insightcrime.org

Brazil is a whole different story.

What do crusades have to do with death cults? Crusades are religious wars. The goal of crusaders is not to die but to win and impose their religion.

A death cult has the goal of killing its worshippers because they believe it will improve things either they go to heaven or whatever.

All those examples of evangelical suicide bombers and such.

I have no idea what you have against them but you are very mistaken about them.

Evangelicals can't be a death cult, that would put a crimp in the whole "evangelizing" portion of their whole shtick.

Hard to evangelize to dead folk.

The same thing applies to trying to cause the apocalypse early no? I mean think about it won’t less people go to heaven if the second coming happened in 2012 as opposed to 2020? Evangelicals frequently try to cause and speed up biblical prophecy from the red heffer to cheering on the creation of Israel, to even being idolaters and wanting the third temple to be built as soon as possible.

Those are their actions their beliefs also make morality meaningless for them you can still go to heaven as an adulterer a drunkard, someone who preys on children so long as you believe in Jesus. Thats what they believe solely faith all you need is faith in Jesus and you can be a rapist not change your ways and go to heaven.

 

[Bassoe]

 

[Bigking321]

What do crusades have to do with death cults? Crusades are religious wars. The goal of crusaders is not to die but to win and impose their religion.

A death cult has the goal of killing its worshippers because they believe it will improve things either they go to heaven or whatever.




The same thing applies to trying to cause the apocalypse early no? I mean think about it won’t less people go to heaven if the second coming happened in 2012 as opposed to 2020? Evangelicals frequently try to cause and speed up biblical prophecy from the red heffer to cheering on the creation of Israel, to even being idolaters and wanting the third temple to be built as soon as possible.

Those are their actions their beliefs also make morality meaningless for them you can still go to heaven as an adulterer a drunkard, someone who preys on children so long as you believe in Jesus. Thats what they believe solely faith all you need is faith in Jesus and you can be a rapist not change your ways and go to heaven.

You believe some incredibly wrong things about them.

It's like you saw a top 10 most ridiculous lies people who hate evangelicals say but didn't realize the list wasn't reality.

 

[Skallagrim]

You believe some incredibly wrong things about them.

It's like you saw a top 10 most ridiculous lies people who hate evangelicals say but didn't realize the list wasn't reality.

You're far too kind, assuming that he's a kind of victim, merely fooled by hateful bullshit.

In reality, he's the exact kind of ridiculous and hateful liar whose bullshit might be described by such lists as you mention. He's not a victim of insane nonsense; he's a peddler of insane nonsense.