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Yes; because if nothing else, at least it would cost less than letting them go towards both that, and endless appeals that often drag out a death sentence for decades. As far as I'm aware, it would actually be cheaper in the long run for tax payers, if we just abolished the death penalty altogether.
That's a problem with the court system, not a problem with the death penalty.
 

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That's a problem with the court system, not a problem with the death penalty.
I don't really view it as even a problem with the court system. It should be difficult to sentence someone to death (I really don't want an innocent person to die), and the costs reflect this. Killing someone, even a horrible person, with the justification only being saving money, is wrong. People should be sentenced to death only because they earned that death.

And this scumbag fully earned his death sentence, and I don't think words exist to convey how much I hate him. There is a enormous line of people from even lefty Massachusetts who would line up to flip the switch on him. I'd hitchhike back home from Alabama if I was told this would give me a good chance at doing it.
 

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I don't really view it as even a problem with the court system. It should be difficult to sentence someone to death (I really don't want an innocent person to die), and the costs reflect this. Killing someone, even a horrible person, with the justification only being saving money, is wrong. People should be sentenced to death only because they earned that death.

And this scumbag fully earned his death sentence, and I don't think words exist to convey how much I hate him. There is a enormous line of people from even lefty Massachusetts who would line up to flip the switch on him. I'd hitchhike back home from Alabama if I was told this would give me a good chance at doing it.
The death penalty shouldn't be easy to achieve. Once it has been ruled though, there is no justification for twenty years tied up in appeals. Death penalty cases are rare enough that giving appeals to such convictions can be given a higher priority, and a hard limit on duration of time between conviction/sentencing and that sentencing being carried out, say 2 years, can be practically applied.

I'd say 1 year, but we'd need to make our legal system a lot less bogged down first.
 

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The death penalty shouldn't be easy to achieve. Once it has been ruled though, there is no justification for twenty years tied up in appeals. Death penalty cases are rare enough that giving appeals to such convictions can be given a higher priority, and a hard limit on duration of time between conviction/sentencing and that sentencing being carried out, say 2 years, can be practically applied.

I'd say 1 year, but we'd need to make our legal system a lot less bogged down first.
I'd like it to be faster, but I don't want to make it faster just for people with the death penalty. I also think that all the people up for death row should be given a DNA test if some DNA from the scene is available and material to the case, instead of have to go through the courts to maybe get one.
 

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Nike lays off 500 people. Turns around and is paying this guy $53 Million.....What the flying FUCK?
So? He was hired specifically to manage a difficult thing, a layoff. Why shouldn't he be paid a lot? It's not his fault that Nike went to shit, he's just there to clean it up.
 

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Speaking of Tsarnaev, something I found Yesterday. Can't believe St. Mueller would do such a thing.
Even if this is true, it's not exactly a condemnation against Mueller. People undercover or tasked with being ideological watch-dogs often end up flipping to the group they were meant to control. It's basically a peer-pressure issue. So, he may well have originally been a trustworthy individual who became radicalized through exposure.
 

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So you would rather have a serial killer get 3 square meals a day, a roof and a place to sleep, and make it so homeless are more likely to commit murder to get said thing, then to kill people?
There are easier ways to get into prison than outright killing someone, if that's your goal.



The whole hoopla about rehabilitating criminals is a kind of particular type of idealism rather than something based in facts and reason.
Rehabilitation is an ideal, one somewhat tied to left wing ones, not some universal cure to criminal problems. It's one of limited utility, even if it does have some, and it is more effective in some scenarios than others.
We know there are criminals who will never be "rehabilitated", even if you would put the most renowned social scientists on their case.
We know there are criminals who don't need to be "rehabilitated" yet need to stick around in prison to be an example for the greater society.
We know many criminals in prison will, for all practical purposes, get socialized into worse habits and views that they came in there with due to interaction with other criminals, who aren't nice or highly cultured people on average.
Some non-considerable part of the successful cases of "rehabilitation" are merely cases of an older and simpler mechanism - people who went to prison, didn't like it there, and don't want to risk being there again.
In practical terms, the main point of prison is keeping in people who would prey on the general society in criminal ways if they were free to be in it, while the inconvenience of being stuck in prison is also a punishment in the simplest and most traditional sense of the term.
Of course rehabilitation isn't some "universal cure to criminal problems"; but there is evidence to suggest it can work. The sad fact of the matter is though that it's rarely been tried, because our prison systems are designed more to exploit the free labor prisoners provide. They want people to stay criminals, and end up back in prison, because that's better for their bottom line. Couple that with the fact that most people just feel better seeing criminals punished forever, and refuse to associate with them even after they've paid their debt to society, and you have a system that ultimately incentives criminal activity just as much as it disincentives it.

That's more of a legal system cost problem than an inherent death penalty problem - a bullet costs much less than a dollar after all. Consider that keeping the bastard alive costs not so "few" bucks at all - usually more than the average working class person earns in the same year and place. In cases of more troublesome, dangerous prisoners, or prisoners with major health problems, more than a middle class person.
It's not a problem though, it's a feature of our legal system that executing someone is so expensive. Our system is built upon the premise that is it better to let ten guilty people go free, than for one innocent person to be punished for a crime they did not commit. People on death row are allowed so many chances to appeal, because we never want to find ourselves in a situation of executing an innocent person.
 

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Has hashtag Alex Jones was right started?
It makes you wonder if Alex Jones is a court jester of the times, hiding truth behind comedy, playing the fool when he is wise. Remember the Jester had an important role for often he was the only man who could tell the King the truth and be suffered to live...
 

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The germans always have a plan the problem is that every now and then the plan goes horribly wrong.
Better than nothing, though if they run to the USA, I think they’ll have to check WHERE they go

There will be “Nazi Hunters” looking for them with baseball bats and scalping knives and knuckle dusters

I am referencing INGLORIOUS BASTERDS just so you know
 
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