Five minutes of hate news

[bintananth]

> Threatening a public official
I am going to guess that it is only if he is conservative. if you threaten a liberal one you get the book thrown at you

Every crime on that list is a felony. What is so wrong with Illinois that those are "non-detainable offenenses"?

Heck, my teenage daughters know that if daddy has to pay for a traffic violation they get an upset Princess (i.e.: mommy) and lose access to car keys until they're 18.

 

[Abhorsen]

So not hate news exactly, but an update on the trafficked teen story: Her sentencing went about as well as could be hoped at this stage, with her sentenced to probation for the murder she pled guilty to (usually I'd call that crazy, but glad that's allowed in this case), so she now at a halfway house instead of jail. Unfortunately, the restitution she needs to pay was found to be legally automatic by the judge, so she needs to pay her rapists family $150k.

Obviously she shouldn't have been prosecuted, and should be pardoned, but at least she's no longer in jail

Judge orders Iowa teen trafficking victim to pay $150K in restitution to family of rapist she killed

A teenage sex trafficking victim who killed her rapist was ordered to pay $150,000 to her abuser's family. She had pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter and willful injury.

www.foxnews.com

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

So not hate news exactly, but an update on the trafficked teen story: Her sentencing went about as well as could be hoped at this stage, with her sentenced to probation for the murder she pled guilty to (usually I'd call that crazy, but glad that's allowed in this case), so she now at a halfway house instead of jail. Unfortunately, the restitution she needs to pay was found to be legally automatic by the judge, so she needs to pay her rapists family $150k.

Obviously she shouldn't have been prosecuted, and should be pardoned, but at least she's no longer in jail

Judge orders Iowa teen trafficking victim to pay $150K in restitution to family of rapist she killed

A teenage sex trafficking victim who killed her rapist was ordered to pay $150,000 to her abuser's family. She had pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter and willful injury.

www.foxnews.com

and where is her restitution? if that family had any decency they'd pay her back the $150k. Why is it that the police and the politicians have the right to murder and not face consequences but if the common peon demands restitution or simply defends themselves they are criminals? As much as I hate to admit it, crap like this is why Honor killings were a thing. It used to be that if the perpetrator of the crime couldn't or wouldn't face punishment then said punishment would be passed on to the families so the family would either drag said family member to court, kill them themselves followed by publicly denouncing them, or be forced to take the punishment themselves and in any case, the victim would get their retribution. It's awful and barbaric, but it seems just when seeing stories like this.

 

[What's the sitch?]

Just encouraging people to make sure they do the job properly the first time or to just go ahead and make a second attempt since they have nothing to really lose. Similar to many other things that happen in the "justice" system.

 

[Bassoe]

 

[Skitzyfrenic]

Ah yes, the 'Luxuries for the Rich only' strategy.

 

[Marduk]

So lemme get this straight. Belgium has made some plans that were stupid and pointless even on a good day to make their econuts happy.
Then shit happened over the last half of year, sending shockwaves through the energy markets of the world, and Europe in particular.
But screw that, a plan is a plan, and you can't just cancel a plan for expensive virtue signalling in the clown world.
The answer should be "If you kindly stop doing stupid shit then it won't".

 

[Bear Ribs]

and where is her restitution? if that family had any decency they'd pay her back the $150k. Why is it that the police and the politicians have the right to murder and not face consequences but if the common peon demands restitution or simply defends themselves they are criminals? As much as I hate to admit it, crap like this is why Honor killings were a thing. It used to be that if the perpetrator of the crime couldn't or wouldn't face punishment then said punishment would be passed on to the families so the family would either drag said family member to court, kill them themselves, and publicly denounce them, or be forced to take the punishment themselves and in any case, the victim would get their retribution. It's awful and barbaric, but it seems just when seeing stories like this.

This outcome makes me suspect there's more to this situation than we've been led to believe.

A judge has every legal right to decide he will not honor such a plea deal. They generally will because they're more prone to cooperating with attorneys than rando civilians, but it's not required. Judges are also elected and a situation like this where an absolutely rage-inducing injustice is happening that will directly lead to their political opponents running ads with "Judge Asshat sent this girl to prison for killing her rapist who had her chained in his basement and then made her pay his family for being raped" is exactly the situation where a judge has maximum incentive to use their discretion and accept such a plea deal.

Now granted, judges also tend to have very easy elections compared to just about every other elected position, and rarely face opposition at all so this isn't a sure thing, but it still seems deeply suspicious to me and as I said, I suspect there are some facts being left out.

 

[Cherico]

So lemme get this straight. Belgium has made some plans that were stupid and pointless even on a good day to make their econuts happy.
Then shit happened over the last half of year, sending shockwaves through the energy markets of the world, and Europe in particular.
But screw that, a plan is a plan, and you can't just cancel a plan for expensive virtue signalling in the clown world.
The answer should be "If you kindly stop doing stupid shit then it won't".

my money is that in due time probally with in our life times we will see econuts strung up on lamp posts.

 

[mrttao]

This outcome makes me suspect there's more to this situation than we've been led to believe.

A judge has every legal right to decide he will not honor such a plea deal. They generally will because they're more prone to cooperating with attorneys than rando civilians, but it's not required. Judges are also elected and a situation like this where an absolutely rage-inducing injustice is happening that will directly lead to their political opponents running ads with "Judge Asshat sent this girl to prison for killing her rapist who had her chained in his basement and then made her pay his family for being raped" is exactly the situation where a judge has maximum incentive to use their discretion and accept such a plea deal.

Now granted, judges also tend to have very easy elections compared to just about every other elected position, and rarely face opposition at all so this isn't a sure thing, but it still seems deeply suspicious to me and as I said, I suspect there are some facts being left out.

Keep in mind that the rapist in question was part of a child trafficking gang.
He was NOT the person who kidnapped the girl.
He did not keep her in his OWN basement.

She was instead locked in the basement of another man, the man who kidnapped her and who is also a part of that trafficking gang.

The police knows the home address of the gang member who kidnapped her and imprisoned her, because that is where they found the corpse the person she killed.

Also that person she stabbed was one of MANY members of the gang who raped her, rather than the only one.

Literally 0 members of the trafficking gang were arrested as a result of the whole shebang. The persecution explicit argument is "yes he was part of a trafficking gang and yes he raped her, but she still shouldn't have killed him".
Yet despite that admission nobody investigated the trafficking gang.

There is a very clear coverup going on here.
Just another daily evidence that we are ruled by a gang of pedophiles

 

[mrttao]

Also, her 10 year prison sentence was deferred.
That is, if she breaks her parole she gets 10 years in prison for this "murder".
I am wondering if failing to pay the 150k to the family (which she literally can't because she doesn't even have highschool education) counts as breaking her parole.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Also, her 10 year prison sentence was deferred.
That is, if she breaks her parole she gets 10 years in prison for this "murder".
I am wondering if failing to pay the 150k to the family (which she literally can't because she doesn't even have highschool education) counts as breaking her parole.

tin hat theory: maybe that's how much someone like her would fetch on a slave market. "Our operation lost money because of what you did. This is our way of making you give us that money and no one would notice." I'd investigate everyone in that court system and see if they were on any logbooks or payrolls. I hope this isn't the case though.

 

[bintananth]

Also, her 10 year prison sentence was deferred.
I am wondering if failing to pay the 150k to the family (which she literally can't because she doesn't even have highschool education) counts as breaking her parole.

That $150k has probably already been paid on her behalf by some unknown benefactor. If it wasn't paid by one of the ones "in on it" it was probably a cheque written by someone uninvolved who really doesn't want to see a mostly innocent girl sent to prison.

 

[Bear Ribs]

tin hat theory: maybe that's how much someone like her would fetch on a slave market. "Our operation lost money because of what you did. This is our way of making you give us that money and no one would notice." I'd investigate everyone in that court system and see if they were on any logbooks or payrolls. I hope this isn't the case though.

That's horrifying enough to be true. The judge being in on the slaving operation would also fit the facts we have pretty neatly without assuming there are any unknowns.

 

[Abhorsen]

That $150k has probably already been paid on her behalf by some unknown benefactor. If it wasn't paid by one of the ones "in on it" it was probably a cheque written by someone uninvolved who really doesn't want to see a mostly innocent girl sent to prison.

In fact, a gofundme was set up for her which raised 3 times the money. It's shit that the rapist's family gets anything, but at least she isn't in debt.

 

[bintananth]

In fact, a gofundme was set up for her which raised 3 times the money. It's shit that the rapist's family gets anything, but at least she isn't in debt.

"When you see someone in need, you help them." - Imam Muhummad

The intent of the New Testament has never been expressed as concisely or completely as that statement.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

That's horrifying enough to be true. The judge being in on the slaving operation would also fit the facts we have pretty neatly without assuming there are any unknowns.

Honestly doing more research while it is still possible, I'm honestly thinking it was a case of vaguely written and poorly thought out law.

The law is literally "anytime someone gets murdered the killer must pay at least 150k I'm restitution." No if ands or butts. Again it's a law that probably had good intentions at the time it was written, but no one writing it thought to give room for context.

Never associate with malice what can be explained with stupidity it seems. But needless to say whether liberals or conservatives wrote this law it needs to be reexamined and amended.

 

[Abhorsen]

That's horrifying enough to be true. The judge being in on the slaving operation would also fit the facts we have pretty neatly without assuming there are any unknowns.

What facts would this fit? If you had said prosecutor, sure, absolute scumbag. But the judge? When he gave her basically what would otherwise be a preposterously low sentence? AFAICT, the judge did what he could do within the law outside of just straight up rejecting the plea deal.

 

[Bear Ribs]

What facts would this fit? If you had said prosecutor, sure, absolute scumbag. But the judge? When he gave her basically what would otherwise be a preposterously low sentence? AFAICT, the judge did what he could do within the law outside of just straight up rejecting the plea deal.

The facts I already presented, judges are fully allowed to reject such plea deals and expected to if the case is as blatant as the facts we've been presented are, otherwise it opens them up to serious risk of losing the next election. I already laid this out in previous posts in this thread.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

so no one thinks it's just a case of an abused law?