Fallout Pre-War America vs Real Life America & Europe

Scooby Doo

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Since Fallout 76 came out and after playing New Vegas I think this would be interesting.


So Asia is replaced by Fallout United States, Fallout U.S wants to annex all the other countries and launches a campaign by invading Europe with in about a month of being in our world, what happens?

Scenario 1) City destroying and above nukes are not available for either party, this is FO America after they finished mass production for the T-60 Armor.

Scenario 2) Nukes allowed for both sides but FO America has successfully mass produced and developed every prototype technology that they had been working on prior to the nuclear FO, America & Europe get one year prep time.

Scenario 3) Fallout China and Fallout America vs IRL 2022 Earth, both want to annex the globe.
 
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Husky_Khan

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Haven't played Fallout 76. Is T-65 Armor the latest and greatest pre-War armor than? Better then the T-51's which were the previous benchmarks and which seemed to imply to help turn the tide in the Great War like during the Yangtze Campaign?
 

Scooby Doo

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Haven't played Fallout 76. Is T-65 Armor the latest and greatest pre-War armor than? Better then the T-51's which were the previous benchmarks and which seemed to imply to help turn the tide in the Great War like during the Yangtze Campaign?
Not anymore irc Bethesda retconned it because of fan backlash and now T51 is considered better than T-60.

They switched the Hierarchy because many people were complaining Fallout 4's T-60 retconned T-51 so they reversed.


Edit: Altho this does mean T-51 scales from T-60 armor feats which is bonkers good considering the feats the T-60 has.
 
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Scooby Doo

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So T-51 will be better at absorbing energy and kinetic energy than the T-60 which can no sell full power blasts of a laser rifle hitting the same spot.

Annnnd we have this feat for 76.
RESEARCH PROJECT EX-72 - Research Log ------------------------------------- DATE: 10/7/77

Got it! I've found a way to automate the testing process. I can set up the fabrication pod to assemble a robot, pipe the fabricator's steam release into a hydraulic actuator to trigger the weapon, and then have the fabricator disassemble the robot and save off the results. Rinse, repeat. The whole cycle takes about eight minutes.

I can set this baby up to run while I'm on vacation next week and come back to a fresh set of data to analyze.

A single facility dedicated to creating automatons was able to create a new one from scratch every 8 minutes for a week completely automated.

That's about 1260 a week, if America just had a hundred of these facilities they'd be able to do Soviet Russia esque tidal waves of robot bodies very quick into the war.
 

Husky_Khan

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The United States started the Great War with units equipped with T-45 Power Armor, amongst everything else and it allowed them to stalemate China in Alaska and invade China proper in 2074. But it's telling and important to note that in 2076 the T-51 Power Armor was introduced to both Alaska and in the Chinese theater and the reversals against China began immediately. After ten years of fighting, China was going to be evicted from Alaska and in the Yangtze Campaign, it was the T-51 Power Armor that allowed the American Units to strike and counter Chinese tanks and infantry formations with superior mobility and firepower as well as cut their supply lines to ribbons AND even capture several of China's major cities and all of that happened in less then a year.

In Fallouts 1 & 2 as well as to a lesser extent Fallout 4 and I'm assuming 76, they treated Power Armor as the literal tanks they should be. Though in the earlier games, the Power Armor suits were stated to have a power supply that lasted a hundred years instead of the constant hunting for power cores to top off the suit. :cool:

Power Armored units can shrug off most small arms including those from punier laser and plasma weapons as well as explosives like grenades and the like unless it hits them directly. They are like walking tanks because they can also carry everything from gatling lasers to oversized plasma rifles as well as things like gauss rifles, missile launchers or mini nukes... while also possessing NBC protection.

I'm not sure how modern day forces will be able to counter the use of extensive Power Armor backed forces. I'm sure a tanks main cannon could cripple or kill a Power Armored trooper but you'd still have to hit them and not get slagged by a rocket launcher or other anti-armor weaponry. Same with all sorts of other man-portable armored weaponry. Maybe an ATGM like a TOW or Javelin or NLAW could penetrate the armor but could a direct hit from an RPG-7 or an M72 Law do the same? Or just do light damage?

Then you still have units with the T-45 Power Armor which is still significantly more capable then modern infantry kit. Then you have regular combat armor which in itself offers pretty good protection, comparable if not better than modern infantry body armor.

And then the Fallout USA has laser and plasma rifles which aren't something modern forces face. The commonly issued weapons are the Wattz 2000 Laser Rifle (seen used by a Marine Sniper in Nanjing China in a magazine) and the AER9/12 Laser Rifle which was more of an infantry assault rifle replacement. Then you have the more powerful but perhaps less focused Wincester P94 Plasma Rifle (the big boy gun from the early Fallout games that melted people) and the later games more domesticated Urban Plasma Rifle which was also still pretty powerful and capable of goo reducing people.

And then in addition to all of that you have the aforementioned military bots. Sentry Bots and Mister Gutsies most notably would be quite useful. Eyebots maybe for reconnaissance. And even Assaultrons were apparently in use on frontlines as early as 2072 which... no thank you.

Fallout USA probably also has superior industrial capacity, and population... and a wartime footing as well. What's undefined is what they could bring to bear beyond the infantry level. We know they have artillery, the howitzers seen seem to operate like traditional artillery, whether in Fallout 2 or the later Bethesda games.

There are tanks. We see double barrelled ones in Fallout 4 but there's no real information on them. There are large APC's which, again very little detail. And we see 1950's era inspired jet fighters on board the carrier in the Washington Naval Yard in Fallout 3. They look like P-80's but there are no P-80's with folded wings for carrier use. Also not sure what the Flight Helmets looked like in 1950 but the ones in Fallout 4 don't match up with them I'm assuming.

And you also get things like laser cannons that can somewhat reliably intercept ballistic missiles, energy based forcefields, and orbital weaponry like Archimedes and more menacingly the Bradley-Hercules satellite from Broken Steel.
 

Scooby Doo

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The United States started the Great War with units equipped with T-45 Power Armor, amongst everything else and it allowed them to stalemate China in Alaska and invade China proper in 2074. But it's telling and important to note that in 2076 the T-51 Power Armor was introduced to both Alaska and in the Chinese theater and the reversals against China began immediately. After ten years of fighting, China was going to be evicted from Alaska and in the Yangtze Campaign, it was the T-51 Power Armor that allowed the American Units to strike and counter Chinese tanks and infantry formations with superior mobility and firepower as well as cut their supply lines to ribbons AND even capture several of China's major cities and all of that happened in less then a year.

In Fallouts 1 & 2 as well as to a lesser extent Fallout 4 and I'm assuming 76, they treated Power Armor as the literal tanks they should be. Though in the earlier games, the Power Armor suits were stated to have a power supply that lasted a hundred years instead of the constant hunting for power cores to top off the suit. :cool:

Power Armored units can shrug off most small arms including those from punier laser and plasma weapons as well as explosives like grenades and the like unless it hits them directly. They are like walking tanks because they can also carry everything from gatling lasers to oversized plasma rifles as well as things like gauss rifles, missile launchers or mini nukes... while also possessing NBC protection.

I'm not sure how modern day forces will be able to counter the use of extensive Power Armor backed forces. I'm sure a tanks main cannon could cripple or kill a Power Armored trooper but you'd still have to hit them and not get slagged by a rocket launcher or other anti-armor weaponry. Same with all sorts of other man-portable armored weaponry. Maybe an ATGM like a TOW or Javelin or NLAW could penetrate the armor but could a direct hit from an RPG-7 or an M72 Law do the same? Or just do light damage?

Then you still have units with the T-45 Power Armor which is still significantly more capable then modern infantry kit. Then you have regular combat armor which in itself offers pretty good protection, comparable if not better than modern infantry body armor.

And then the Fallout USA has laser and plasma rifles which aren't something modern forces face. The commonly issued weapons are the Wattz 2000 Laser Rifle (seen used by a Marine Sniper in Nanjing China in a magazine) and the AER9/12 Laser Rifle which was more of an infantry assault rifle replacement. Then you have the more powerful but perhaps less focused Wincester P94 Plasma Rifle (the big boy gun from the early Fallout games that melted people) and the later games more domesticated Urban Plasma Rifle which was also still pretty powerful and capable of goo reducing people.

And then in addition to all of that you have the aforementioned military bots. Sentry Bots and Mister Gutsies most notably would be quite useful. Eyebots maybe for reconnaissance. And even Assaultrons were apparently in use on frontlines as early as 2072 which... no thank you.

Fallout USA probably also has superior industrial capacity, and population... and a wartime footing as well. What's undefined is what they could bring to bear beyond the infantry level. We know they have artillery, the howitzers seen seem to operate like traditional artillery, whether in Fallout 2 or the later Bethesda games.

There are tanks. We see double barrelled ones in Fallout 4 but there's no real information on them. There are large APC's which, again very little detail. And we see 1950's era inspired jet fighters on board the carrier in the Washington Naval Yard in Fallout 3. They look like P-80's but there are no P-80's with folded wings for carrier use. Also not sure what the Flight Helmets looked like in 1950 but the ones in Fallout 4 don't match up with them I'm assuming.

And you also get things like laser cannons that can somewhat reliably intercept ballistic missiles, energy based forcefields, and orbital weaponry like Archimedes and more menacingly the Bradley-Hercules satellite from Broken Steel.
Tbh with how advanced FO energy weapons are they might not even need air assets their guns can just shoot any craft down lol.


I don't think there's any aircraft designed today that could take more than one multi mega joule laser shot to get downed or mission killed.
 
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Husky_Khan

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Yeah it all depends on if they can get lasers on targets. I know I'm in another Versus thread arguing about lasfire versus aerial threats as we speak after all. ;)

We know Robert House mounted laser cannons on the Lucky 76 that shot down a lot of the missiles, so I would imagine they would be equally devastating to any aircraft that came into range of one of those laser cannons as well but I don't think they've been featured in any of the main games. And much like the humble 40K lasgun, I don't know if even Power Armored portable Gatling Lasers would be reliable enough for proper air defense. Depending on how mobile the laser cannons are though, at the very least wherever they are located should make air and missile strikes from the other side quite hazardous an endeavor to undertake.
 

Scooby Doo

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Yeah it all depends on if they can get lasers on targets. I know I'm in another Versus thread arguing about lasfire versus aerial threats as we speak after all. ;)

We know Robert House mounted laser cannons on the Lucky 76 that shot down a lot of the missiles, so I would imagine they would be equally devastating to any aircraft that came into range of one of those laser cannons as well but I don't think they've been featured in any of the main games. And much like the humble 40K lasgun, I don't know if even Power Armored portable Gatling Lasers would be reliable enough for proper air defense. Depending on how mobile the laser cannons are though, at the very least wherever they are located should make air and missile strikes from the other side quite hazardous an endeavor to undertake.
Tbf unlike 40k the Fallout verse has V.A.T.S. and legitimate aimbots 😂 but their best defense would to start pumping Mister House laser anti air which is good enough to shoot inter-continental ballistics missiles which would be good enough to annihilated any air force.
 

Agent23

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Going by House's performance, the FOUSA can easily counter a lot of the RLUSA's ICBMs.

Forced to work with an inferior version of the OS, he suffered numerous system crashes but this OS version only allowed him to save Las Vegas from 68 out of the 77 warheads, 59 disarmed and 9 destroyed, aimed at the city.[7][8][17] But due to using an inferior software, numerous system crashes occurred and the Lucky 38's main reactor had to be shut down.

And even for those who get through, well, there is Rad-X, RadAway and all those bunkers.

FO can easily turn RL USA into radioactive slag in the scenarios where nukes are allowed.

A non-nuke scenario means that a highly militarized society with very advanced technology ranging from turn the enemy into ash plasma weapons to orbital lasers. military robots and power-armor equipped mini-nuke shooting infantry will go against a society that is frankly weakened by decades of peace and global hegemony.

Oh, and the best bit, their medical technology is extremely advanced.

Fallout USA wins relatively easily in every single scenario.

Fuck it, all hail President Richardson, and where can I get my Mr. Handy and my advanced medicines?

Jokes aside, the current USA and Europe will probably be identified as filthy red degenerates by the FOUSA, and we will have the FOUSE react to them the same way Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper from Dr. Strangelove reacted to commies.
 
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Scooby Doo

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Going by House's performance, the FOUSA can easily counter a lot of the RLUSA's ICBMs.



And even for those who get through, well, there is Rad-X, RadAway and all those bunkers.

FO can easily turn RL USA into radioactive slag in the scenarios where nukes are allowed.

A non-nuke scenario means that a highly militarized society with very advanced technology ranging from turn the enemy into ash plasma weapons to orbital lasers. military robots and power-armor equipped mini-nuke shooting infantry will go against a society that is frankly weakened by decades of peace and global hegemony.

Oh, and the best bit, their medical technology is extremely advanced.

Fallout USA wins relatively easily in every single scenario.

Fuck it, all hail President Richardson, and where can I get my Mr. Handy and my advanced medicines?

Jokes aside, the current USA and Europe will probably be identified as filthy red degenerates by the FOUSA, and we will have the FOUSE react to them the same way Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper from Dr. Strangelove reacted to commies.

Hmmm but what about the tremendous amount of air power and artillery the modern nations have?

As we see in the Ukraine-Russia war the EU and US can drop a crapton of anti vehicle resources that allow a single nation to take on something much much larger than it.
 

Agent23

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Hmmm but what about the tremendous amount of air power and artillery the modern nations have?

Infiltrators with stealthboys/stealth armor/assassin suits blowing the emplacements with mini-nukes.

Somebody using Hellios on them.

Robot wave attacks.

IIRC they had some nuke artillery, too, and the Chinese had tanks that could drill very long tunnels to get under enemy strongholds.

There are lots of ways to deal with our current gen of junk.
 

Jormungandr

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The strange thing about Fallout tech is that it's amazingly powerful and versatile... yet surprisingly bulky, crude, and most of the time completely inefficient when you get down to its guts. That's all because a lot of the tech the modern day uses, such as basic computers,/microprocessors, weren't invented in the Fallout timeline.

Hell, a lot of materials discovered in the last ten, thirty years would likely slim down or replace a lot of the Fallout tech's stuff (which is basically advanced 1950's era), such as graphene, various composites... and what would be superior from Fallout Earth, such as certain types of metal, we'd likely refine them using more modern methods as we recreate them.

Like, if there's a laser weapon capable of slagging a mountain peak, it's the size of a mansion and is needlessly overcomplicated internally. If a modern team of engineers or, fucking hell, DARPA got a hold of it, I guarantee you they'd find a way to maintain the firepower or even increase it while decreasing the size of it to that of a pickup truck or lorry within a year.

Creatively, I'd be drooling if modern day Earth got its hands on samples of Fallout Earth's technology (schematics, et cetera); we'd be producing superior versions within a decade or two.

Instead of bulky T-series powered armour, we'd have shit like armoured suits or combat skins like the MJOLNIR (to grab an example from Halo) derived from them.

Why have a computer the size of a living room or house when a microprocessor the size of your smartphone would do the same job?

Hell, looking at Fallout's fusion technology would likely solve the missing links in our own... and, frankly, we'd probably do it better without it being unstable/tend to exploding.

Drool-worthy.
 

Agent23

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The strange thing about Fallout tech is that it's amazingly powerful and versatile... yet surprisingly bulky, crude, and most of the time completely inefficient when you get down to its guts. That's all because a lot of the tech the modern day uses, such as basic computers,/microprocessors, weren't invented in the Fallout timeline.

Hell, a lot of materials discovered in the last ten, thirty years would likely slim down or replace a lot of the Fallout tech's stuff (which is basically advanced 1950's era), such as graphene, various composites... and what would be superior from Fallout Earth, such as certain types of metal, we'd likely refine them using more modern methods as we recreate them.

Like, if there's a laser weapon capable of slagging a mountain peak, it's the size of a mansion and is needlessly overcomplicated internally. If a modern team of engineers or, fucking hell, DARPA got a hold of it, I guarantee you they'd find a way to maintain the firepower or even increase it while decreasing the size of it to that of a pickup truck or lorry within a year.

Creatively, I'd be drooling if modern day Earth got its hands on samples of Fallout Earth's technology (schematics, et cetera); we'd be producing superior versions within a decade or two.

Instead of bulky T-series powered armour, we'd have shit like armoured suits or combat skins like the MJOLNIR (to grab an example from Halo) derived from them.

Why have a computer the size of a living room or house when a microprocessor the size of your smartphone would do the same job?

Hell, looking at Fallout's fusion technology would likely solve the missing links in our own... and, frankly, we'd probably do it better without it being unstable/tend to exploding.

Drool-worthy.
Fallout tech is based on vacuum tubes, they never invented the microprocessor the way we know it today.
 

Husky_Khan

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Tbf unlike 40k the Fallout verse has V.A.T.S. and legitimate aimbots 😂 but their best defense would to start pumping Mister House laser anti air which is good enough to shoot inter-continental ballistics missiles which would be good enough to annihilated any air force.

Yeah. The other interesting thing is though, in regards to a nuclear missile exchange is that Robert House's laser cannons were able to shoot down nuclear missiles pretty reliable HOWEVER... the entire world was still ravaged by nuclear warheads and the vast majority of the nuclear devastation was wrought by... nuclear missiles. Maybe some more were dropped by Bombers, but that would hardly be more able to evade laser cannons then bombers.

Be interesting if there are any explanations in universe for why this is. If laser cannons on a tower were a valid defense against nuclear missiles, then it should've been more widespread in which case... why wasn't it? Or was this special to Robert House and his advanced computer systems allowing him to target the missiles due to superior guidance or targeting or whatever?

If it's the latter then a nuclear exchange at the very least would mean a bad time for both sides. And it would create some issue over laser cannons even challenging enemy air forces if the Fallout USA military doesn't have laser cannons with the same effectiveness as Houses laser cannons.
 

Jormungandr

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Fallout tech is based on vacuum tubes, they never invented the microprocessor the way we know it today.
Exactly -- even though Fallout Earth is advanced, they were hobbled by not having the modern computing power that helped in all the discoveries we've made in the modern day.

Materials, the sciences, chemistry, computing... they lost out because of a lack of the humble microprocessor.

Modern Earth having access to their technology? It's drool-worthy to think about.
 

Agent23

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Exactly -- even though Fallout Earth is advanced, they were hobbled by not having the modern computing power that helped in all the discoveries we've made in the modern day.
And despite that their medicine and robotics and space program are all superior.

So TBH to them we will be the backwards freak divination from proper development that let the boomer hippies fueled on garbage youth culture.

FO USA taking over will be a good thing, since people like House will be able to give humanity space colonies and nearly infinite resources in a few short decades.

And there will be only good music to listen to, and a proper attitude towards communism, with a lot of the cultural marxist garbage getting nuked outright or sent to a reeducation camp.
 

Jormungandr

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And despite that their medicine and robotics and space program are all superior.

So TBH to them we will be the backwards freak divination from proper development that let the boomer hippies fueled on garbage youth culture.

FO USA taking over will be a good thing, since people like House will be able to give humanity space colonies and nearly infinite resources in a few short decades.

And there will be only good music to listen to, and a proper attitude towards communism, with a lot of the cultural marxist garbage getting nuked outright or sent to a reeducation camp.
Yeah, their stuff is superior (I mean, fucking laser-equipped powered armour!), but it's still cludgy, clunky, and bound together by duct-tape at best. If MDE got a hold of their stuff? I guarantee you we'd produce better stuff based on it within a decade, especially DARPA.

Hell, even modern processors and capacitors would scale down a lot of their tech from mansion-sized boxes to, well, sedan-sized boxes. Other materials? Why use 5mm of, say, steel when 1mm of titanium would do the same job? Or graphene for electrical batteries and shielding?

Frankly, we'd apply it better if we understood it all from the ground up.
 

Agent23

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Bruh I don't wanna hear Fallout tech being held by duct tape when America can't even keep the majority of its roads maintained 😂

99% of the shit in Fallout still works 200 years later without maintenance.
AFTER GETTING NUKED AND MISTREATED BY MUTANTS, ZOMBIES AND RAIDERS, TOO!
 

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