Fallout Fallout: Autumn Morning [Director's Cut]

[Navarro]

Wow, his ego's really fucking strong if he can keep on thinking of E-US Soldiers as weak, though that maybe because they have superior equipment to compensate for not being able to just rush in and get good at fighting and killing.

From his POV, power armour is a crutch. Speaking of which ...

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T-72 POWER ARMOUR

T-72 Power Armour - or to give its full designation, T-72 Powered Combat Armour - represents the US military's most advanced suit in full production at the present time and the vast majority of front-line US forces on the East Coast wear it.

T-72 was designed over several decades, starting in the late 2230s when it was known as "T-67 Mk. 2" and resembled the later marks of T-67. Later redesigns during the journey to Raven Rock and preparations for the reclamation of Washington DC took it towards the "horned" design in use today. The "horns" on top of the helmet - which serve a function in the armour's HUD electronics - led to them being called "Black Devil" suits by Brotherhood soldiers, which was appropriated in turn by US soldiers and remains in use as slang today, although many of them have since been (re)painted an olive drab.

The most common T-72 suit in use today is the Mk. 6 deployed in Washington DC, though their replacement with Mk. 7 suits is underway. The main difference is the replacement of the Mk. 6's ceramic construction with duraframe-ceramic composites, the same ones used in US tanks and APCs. This results in a lighter weight coupled with stronger heat and radiation resistance. Mk. 8 suits used by special forces and Mk. 9 field command suits also exist, with their own specialised functions.

The Mk. 7 also includes improved functions such as automatic deployment of combat drugs and the regenerative compounds used in stim-paks, explosive vents in the greaves used to devastating effect in combat drops, and a thermal vision mode for night-fighting which turns the optical headlamps from their usual yellow to a more intimidating red.

Barring sudden leaps forward in power armour technology, T-72 is expected to be a workhorse for the US Armed Forces for decades to come.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Well, I think in a way Caesar would have a point, IF the Enclave’s forces were totally incompetent without power armor to protect them from most attacks and not good at CQC, aiming, reconnaissance, medicine and being resourceful while not wearing Power Armor

Are guys using Iron Weaponry and Armor incompetent just because their opponents are Stone Age or Bronze Age? No, because death can still occur

Plus, Caesar’s legion isn’t what I recall as being a combination of inferior equipment and superior fighting skill, their main advantage as I recall was sheer numbers and even the willingness to use young boys as cannon fodder

So, is this T-72 cheaper than previous models to mass produce and maintain?

 

[Navarro]

Well, I think in a way Caesar would have a point, IF the Enclave’s forces were totally incompetent without power armor to protect them from most attacks and not good at CQC, aiming, reconnaissance, medicine and being resourceful while not wearing Power Armor.

The thing is, he'd think they lack the killer instinct. But E-US soldiers have that in spades - they just control it better than Caesar's guys do.

Plus, Caesar’s legion isn’t what I recall as being a combination of inferior equipment and superior fighting skill, their main advantage as I recall was sheer numbers and even the willingness to use young boys as cannon fodder

Massed light infantry fail against even WW1-era technology - that was the lesson of WW1. All the NCR would have had to do in the time of FNV to secure the Mojave indefinitely was dig a trench parallel to the Colorado River and set up occasional MG and mortar posts along its length, then hold the line until the Legion is forced to either withdraw or bleed itself white. Unfortunately, Lee Oliver was a retarded showboat who wanted to repeat 1st Hoover Dam with himself as the hero.

So, is this T-72 cheaper than previous models to mass produce and maintain?

It's about as expensive as previous series of Enclave PA. What's changed is that the Enclave's industrial capacity has increased by leaps and bounds. And is about to increase even more in the future.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Heh, guess Caesar really was a moron in that regard and just was conveniently facing guys who weren’t allowed to fight them off properly

I really wondered how he would have even kept Vegas’ economy given all the things he bans and there are a large number of women who wouldn’t want to be breeding slaves as he pretty much institutionalized what women are supposed to be in his idea of a nation

Would he have gotten a mental breakdown losing his “Empire” or being outright captured before getting some public trial?

 

[Navarro]

I mean there's a general Fallout thread here you know. I'll talk with you about Caesar there, it's gone on long enough here.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I mean there's a general Fallout thread here you know. I'll talk with you about Caesar there, it's gone on long enough here.

Sure, just so you know, I admittedly only ever played Fallout New Vegas and 4, I had Fallout3 once but I played it severely wrong as I barely even knew how to play and kept thinking my biggest most dangerous enemies were Feral Ghouls

 

[Aaron Fox]

Sure, just so you know, I admittedly only ever played Fallout New Vegas and 4, I had Fallout3 once but I played it severely wrong as I barely even knew how to play and kept thinking my biggest most dangerous enemies were Feral Ghouls

Ghouls can actually be tough adversaries, given their sponginess. Fallout 4 simply put that into the fore.

Also, @Navarro, I've always pictured the Enclave being effectively split between two factions: one consisting of the genocidal maniacs and one that consists of those genuinely wanting to rebuild the nation... and I've always pictured Autumn as part of the latter than the former, even if he was a less auturic sort.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Ghouls can actually be tough adversaries, given their sponginess. Fallout 4 simply put that into the fore.

Also, @Navarro, I've always pictured the Enclave being effectively split between two factions: one consisting of the genocidal maniacs and one that consists of those genuinely wanting to rebuild the nation... and I've always pictured Autumn as part of the latter than the former, even if he was a less auturic sort.

For me it was the fact that they were running at me, sometimes in large numbers and me not being such a good shot

The latter sound like they’re JustFollowingOrders and aren’t caring too much about the whole genetic purity stuff

That said, I wonder, how exactly were the first days of when the Enclave were recruiting Wastelanders and even socializing and administrating them

Even without the xenophobia, it would be somewhat hard and strange interacting with those you mostly just see from far away and even see how dirty and poor they are.

 

[Arch Dornan]

The thing is, he'd think they lack the killer instinct. But E-US soldiers have that in spades - they just control it better than Caesar's guys do.



Massed light infantry fail against even WW1-era technology - that was the lesson of WW1. All the NCR would have had to do in the time of FNV to secure the Mojave indefinitely was dig a trench parallel to the Colorado River and set up occasional MG and mortar posts along its length, then hold the line until the Legion is forced to either withdraw or bleed itself white. Unfortunately, Lee Oliver was a retarded showboat who wanted to repeat 1st Hoover Dam with himself as the hero.



It's about as expensive as previous series of Enclave PA. What's changed is that the Enclave's industrial capacity has increased by leaps and bounds. And is about to increase even more in the future.

That made me realise how bad the nuclear war was. All that foundation of learning how to war was gone so the NCR military is learning it again.

 

[Aaron Fox]

For me it was the fact that they were running at me, sometimes in large numbers and me not being such a good shot

The latter sound like they’re JustFollowingOrders and aren’t caring too much about the whole genetic purity stuff

That said, I wonder, how exactly were the first days of when the Enclave were recruiting Wastelanders and even socializing and administrating them

Even without the xenophobia, it would be somewhat hard and strange interacting with those you mostly just see from far away and even see how dirty and poor they are.

Too true. Hell, some of my Fallout ideas have the Enclave be more nuanced with the 'genocide' and 'phoenix' big-tent factions, with the phoenix faction being led by Autumn (after taking over from the faction's previous leader's exile)... and the Lone Wanderer getting caught while out exploring, leading to a series of events where Autumn basically uses this opportunity to rebuild the US... which leads to a teeth-clenched team-up between the Phoenix Enclave and the Lyons Chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel to fight the Genocide Enclave who plans to turn the entire water table into poison... among other threats.

... oh and Autumn decides to work with Lyons and The Lone Wanderer on what would be known as the Terran Starship Command (partly as a UN replacement and partially as a vanguard against the aliens)...

That made me realise how bad the nuclear war was. All that foundation of learning how to war was gone so everyone that is not Enclave and the Brotherhood is learning it again.

Fixed.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

That made me realise how bad the nuclear war was. All that foundation of learning how to war was gone so the NCR military is learning it again.

And the Enclave probably has entire digital libraries, even including files like The Art of War by Sun Tzu

Say @Navarro, I don’t think this was covered, but does the Enclave-USA have its own entertainment industry? I’m thinking of things like music bands with recordings, videogames like the ones for the Pipboy, new pieces of fiction for reading and even TV Shows

Though admittedly the last maybe the most expensive

Too true. Hell, some of my Fallout ideas have the Enclave be more nuanced with the 'genocide' and 'phoenix' big-tent factions, with the phoenix faction being led by Autumn (after taking over from the faction's previous leader's exile)... and the Lone Wanderer getting caught while out exploring, leading to a series of events where Autumn basically uses this opportunity to rebuild the US... which leads to a teeth-clenched team-up between the Phoenix Enclave and the Lyons Chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel to fight the Genocide Enclave who plans to turn the entire water table into poison... among other threats.

... oh and Autumn decides to work with Lyons and The Lone Wanderer on what would be known as the Terran Starship Command (partly as a UN replacement and partially as a vanguard against the aliens)...

Fixed.

Would be an awesome fic, too bad I’m not a writer

 

[Aaron Fox]

Would be an awesome fic, too bad I’m not a writer

I've... been doing it on my spare time actually... although my writing time is split between my GATE: and so the JSDF Fought fic GATE: and so the Iron Pact Fought and building my setting called 'A New World: A World of Conflict and Sorrow' primarily with the time sink that is job searching...

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I've... been doing it on my spare time actually... although my writing time is split between my GATE: and so the JSDF Fought fic GATE: and so the Iron Pact Fought and building my setting called 'A New World: A World of Conflict and Sorrow' primarily with the time sink that is job searching...

Any chance you’re posting it here on this forum?

 

[Aaron Fox]

Any chance you’re posting it here on this forum?

I'm doing that right now.

... it's six chapters of interesting with quite a few interesting informationals... so it'll take a while.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I'm doing that right now.

... it's six chapters of interesting with quite a few interesting informationals... so it'll take a while.

Okay, give me a link as soon as its done

@Navarro since we’ve seen the sequel’s sequel, just how significant is the NCR in-terms of the entire planet given that the Enclave has relations with Germany and Britain last I checked. The NCR is kinda sounding like some sort of crazy paranoid nation constantly telling accusation yelling accusations and is surprisingly resilient in-spite of technological and economic inferiority

 

[Navarro]

Fixed.

BoS is doing worse than the NCR in most of the wasteland, by canon.

And the Enclave probably has entire digital libraries, even including files like The Art of War by Sun Tzu

Yeah, that's their other thing. Literally the entire Library of Congress was digitally stored on the oil rig, with a backup at Mt. Weather. So there was minimal to none loss of knowledge for them. Hell, in canon the Enclave is demonstrated to have actually innovated well ahead of the pre-War standard.

Say @Navarro, I don’t think this was covered, but does the Enclave-USA have its own entertainment industry? I’m thinking of things like music bands with recordings, videogames like the ones for the Pipboy, new pieces of fiction for reading and even TV Shows

Yes. How big it is depends on the timeframe.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I don’t think it was established in the sequel’s sequel, but how long will it be till a cure for being Supermutants and Ghouls is made? They managed to make a stable strain of FEV to augment basic soldiers while not making them all basically roided dudes on the outside, but was what occurred with Virgil ever replicated onto the different strains?

 

[Aaron Fox]

BoS is doing worse than the NCR in most of the wasteland, by canon.

Partially because they don't have a population base to speak of and they're mostly scavengers by that point after losing a lot of political clout within the NCR.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Given how surprisingly long this on and off sort of war between the Enclave and the NCR is, just what sort of advantages does the NCR have over the Enclave? Because I doubt its economic or military or scientific

 

[CarlManvers2019]

@Navarro
This is from me playing Remnant: From The Ashes, but gotta ask, does the Enclave work on advancing melee weapons? Because I’d think it to be a good idea for when guns don’t do enough and a mutant monster is real close