Exactly one year after 9/11, invisible & undetectable Alien Space Bats recreate the Twin Towers with all of their victims now still alive inside them

[WolfBear]

What if, exactly one year after 9/11, invisible & undetectable Alien Space Bats magically recreate the Twin Towers with all of their victims now still alive inside them? Let's say that the terrorists who crashed into the Twin Towers are likewise found alive inside of these towers during this time. So, it's essentially a mass resurrection of all of these people once ASBs magically recreate the Twin Towers.

What would the effect of all of this be? Personally, I suspect that there would be extremely massive conversions to Christianity worldwide, including in the Middle East. After all, if God has performed much a great miracle for the mostly Christian "Great Satan", then maybe the "Great Satan" really is in God's favor after all? If so, then many additional people might think that maybe Christianity (rather than something else, such as Islam) really is God's true religion?

Anyway, what do you personally think about this?

 

[Chiron]

What if, exactly one year after 9/11, invisible & undetectable Alien Space Bats magically recreate the Twin Towers with all of their victims now still alive inside them? Let's say that the terrorists who crashed into the Twin Towers are likewise found alive inside of these towers during this time. So, it's essentially a mass resurrection of all of these people once ASBs magically recreate the Twin Towers.

What would the effect of all of this be? Personally, I suspect that there would be extremely massive conversions to Christianity worldwide, including in the Middle East. After all, if God has performed much a great miracle for the mostly Christian "Great Satan", then maybe the "Great Satan" really is in God's favor after all? If so, then many additional people might think that maybe Christianity (rather than something else, such as Islam) really is God's true religion?

Anyway, what do you personally think about this?

Nothing really changes, people interpret it as they see fit for their agendas. Also questions arise why the Pentagon and Flight 97 victims weren't saved.

 

[WolfBear]

Nothing really changes, people interpret it as they see fit for their agendas. Also questions arise why the Pentagon and Flight 97 victims weren't saved.

What about if those victims also appear alive inside of the Twin Towers, along with the hijackers?

 

[Chiron]

What about if those victims also appear alive inside of the Twin Towers, along with the hijackers?

Still no difference. 9/11 was an excuse to do what the neocons already wanted to do. If not for 9/11, Bush would have invaded Iraq in 2002, planning was already under way to do it. 9/11 just delayed it but gave a stronger emotional hook to get the American People to jump on.

 

[WolfBear]

Still no difference. 9/11 was an excuse to do what the neocons already wanted to do. If not for 9/11, Bush would have invaded Iraq in 2002, planning was already under way to do it. 9/11 just delayed it but gave a stronger emotional hook to get the American People to jump on.

I doubt that the US Congress approves of an Iraq invasion without 9/11.

 

[Chiron]

I doubt that the US Congress approves of an Iraq invasion without 9/11.

Bush had enough support for it, Saddam was universally reviled in Congress.

 

[WolfBear]

Bush had enough support for it, Saddam was universally reviled in Congress.

Congress hated Saddam's guts, but this doesn't necessarily mean that they actually wanted to see young American boys die to remove his regime from power.

 

[gral]

Congress hated Saddam's guts, but this doesn't necessarily mean that they actually wanted to see young American boys die to remove his regime from power.

Two things:

1) I kind of agree with Chiron here; Congress(and a lot of people in the US government) were sick and tired of Saddam and him doing everything he could to provoke the US(and posing as a victim of the 'evul' US when the retaliation came). Something that many conveniently forget about that time was Saddam having WMDs(and he had started to slowly rebuild his chemical weapons arsenal) fitted in with the perceptions people in the US government had of Saddam. Hell, you could say was funding neo-marxist groups seeking to explore racial divisions in the USA, and people would be somewhat willing to believe that.

What I don't agree with was that Bush would invade in 2002. Without some exceptional event(which ended up being 9/11), Bush wouldn't do it then. In his second term? Much likelier. Even if he doesn't, I doubt the situation would go on beyond 2010, no matter whether the sitting President is a Republican or a Democrat;

2) An invasion of Iraq would be presented just as it was in OTL: go in, smash the Iraqi regime, and get out. Remember, US casualties in the invasion were very light(just as the people who sold it had said they would be); the grind afterwards that was draining part.

 

[WolfBear]

Two things:

1) I kind of agree with Chiron here; Congress(and a lot of people in the US government) were sick and tired of Saddam and him doing everything he could to provoke the US(and posing as a victim of the 'evul' US when the retaliation came). Something that many conveniently forget about that time was Saddam having WMDs(and he had started to slowly rebuild his chemical weapons arsenal) fitted in with the perceptions people in the US government had of Saddam. Hell, you could say was funding neo-marxist groups seeking to explore racial divisions in the USA, and people would be somewhat willing to believe that.

What I don't agree with was that Bush would invade in 2002. Without some exceptional event(which ended up being 9/11), Bush wouldn't do it then. In his second term? Much likelier. Even if he doesn't, I doubt the situation would go on beyond 2010, no matter whether the sitting President is a Republican or a Democrat;

2) An invasion of Iraq would be presented just as it was in OTL: go in, smash the Iraqi regime, and get out. Remember, US casualties in the invasion were very light(just as the people who sold it had said they would be); the grind afterwards that was draining part.

1. Racial issues were less of a problem in the 2002 US than in the 2022 US. Perhaps even much less so of a problem. This was evidenced by the US's ability to rapidly rally around the flag after 9/11 in real life, for instance.

I doubt that Bush actually wins a second term without 9/11. I suspect that we see a Gore comeback in 2004 in such a scenario instead.

2. Yep. The challenge would be in actually getting out when the country is mired in civil war.

 

[Chiron]

Two things:


What I don't agree with was that Bush would invade in 2002. Without some exceptional event(which ended up being 9/11), Bush wouldn't do it then. In his second term? Much likelier. Even if he doesn't, I doubt the situation would go on beyond 2010, no matter whether the sitting President is a Republican or a Democrat;

No it was planned soon after Bush won, the Enron Meetings Cheney was hiding info on was all about exploiting Iraq's oil as the Administration was concerned on optics of having Haliburton come in. Enron's implosion nixed their participation.

Bush wanted Saddam gone and Cheney was laying the ground work behind the scenes after the first NSA meeting. 9/11 delayed things, but opened new avenues to sell the invasion.

 

[gral]

1. Racial issues were less of a problem in the 2002 US than in the 2022 US. Perhaps even much less so of a problem. This was evidenced by the US's ability to rapidly rally around the flag after 9/11 in real life, for instance.

I know, that's why I posted it. It would be absurd... but there would be people that would think Saddam capable of doind that.

I doubt that Bush actually wins a second term without 9/11. I suspect that we see a Gore comeback in 2004 in such a scenario instead.

Not so sure here. So much of the Bush administration is tied to 9/11 that it's almost impossible to speculate on it without 9/11. My guess is that his administration would be a lackluster one but he gets re-elected due to incumbent inertia. My point stands; I believe Iraq would still happen in the 2000s, no matter whether it's a Republican or a Democrat on the helm.

2. Yep. The challenge would be in actually getting out when the country is mired in civil war.

Rumsfield and his gang's biggest fuck-up was trying to do the middle way between pulling out entirely(and letting the ME and their Iraqi proxies duke it out inside Iraq) and flooding Iraq with troops to hold things down for a year or two(and accept the casualties and costs of a counter-insurgency). What they got in the end was the bad side of both approaches, and none of the benefits.

 

[gral]

No it was planned soon after Bush won, the Enron Meetings Cheney was hiding info on was all about exploiting Iraq's oil as the Administration was concerned on optics of having Haliburton come in. Enron's implosion nixed their participation.

Bush wanted Saddam gone and Cheney was laying the ground work behind the scenes after the first NSA meeting. 9/11 delayed things, but opened new avenues to sell the invasion.

It may have well been planned then, but it would take some time to sell it; I don't see Bush getting it done before 2003.

 

[Chiron]

It may have well been planned then, but it would take some time to sell it; I don't see Bush getting it done before 2003.

He would do aggressive reconnaissance over Iraq, use the predictable response to justify further attacks, and build on it to get the public riled up and then start a build up and there would be skirmishes and manufacturing of consent would begin.

 

[WolfBear]

He would do aggressive reconnaissance over Iraq, use the predictable response to justify further attacks, and build on it to get the public riled up and then start a build up and there would be skirmishes and manufacturing of consent would begin.

He might have to do it before the 2002 midterms, since afterwards the Democrats might be in control of the US Senate without post-9/11 national hysteria.

 

[Jormungandr]

Would they be the original people or copies, clones? Given they were created by some Eldritch Entity or more, would they be other abominations in human skin or apparent skin, that think/believe they're human/the people they were created from, not knowing their alien natures themselves?

Of course, we here would know that they'd be the victims, but no-one in-universe in that timeline/scenario would.

Oh, and of course, politics and all that jazz.

 

[WolfBear]

Would they be the original people or copies, clones? Given they were created by some Eldritch Entity or more, would they be other abominations in human skin or apparent skin, that think/believe they're human/the people they were created from, not knowing their alien natures themselves?

Of course, we here would know that they'd be the victims, but no-one in-universe in that timeline/scenario would.

Oh, and of course, politics and all that jazz.

They would be actual humans, but whether they would be the origins or copies is certainly a philosophical question that would be above my own pay grade. They themselves would certainly feel like the originals, and absolutely no one would actually be capable of telling the difference, but that's not necessarily saying much.

 

[Jormungandr]

They would be actual humans, but whether they would be the origins or copies is certainly a philosophical question that would be above my own pay grade. They themselves would certainly feel like the originals, and absolutely no one would actually be capable of telling the difference, but that's not necessarily saying much.

IIRC there was a Sci-Fi Channel program that had something similar to this.

A tsunami destroyed this American town, but people vanished in the floods were found healthy and cured of their previous ailments (such as diabetes, missing limbs). While investigations were under way, everyone went back to their normal lives, and no-one felt/knew they were anything but themselves, albeit altered.

Until a woman, a mother/wife and one of the main characters, found her own water-logged corpse days/weeks later and a weird squid-alien thing nearby, and she was horrified.

The question became were they were actually themselves, copies/clones from the squids, a consciousness transfer into new bodies from their old ones, or if they were unknowing infiltrators mimicking their victims and taking their lives.

I mean, the series itself was utterly shit, but this concept was kinda thought-provoking.