Business & Finance Entertainment Industry Strikes

Despite having starred in a dozen movies, twenty or so television shows, released four albums, been on numerous theater runs, and having worked in the industry as a recognizable name for over thirty years, Billy Porter is homeless... well probably not literally homeless but Actor, Singer, Fashion Designer and Queer Activist Billy Porter had to sell he/them's house!



His most famous acting role would be as 'The Fabulous Godmother' otherwise known as 'The Fab G' in 2019's Cinderella live action remake released by Amazon, or would be if anyone had actually watched it. He's also famous for having contracted HIV back in 2007 and blaming everything on Whiteness and White Supremacy back in the 2020 elections, including old White people for not liking the Cinderella live action remake and is also known for "cracking toxic masculinity" for some reason I can't be bothered to look into.


At press time it was as of yet unknown if Billy Porter plans on applying at the Great Harvest Bread Company, Honey Dew Doughnuts or the local Cheesecake Factory for employment in the interim.

Lol dude said he's starved outta a home and living check to check.


Dudes house was worth almost two and a half million dollars! It almost increased in value by a million when he bought it way back... in 2020.

Oh mercy he starving paycheck to paycheck!
 
Lol dude said he's starved outta a home and living check to check.


Dudes house was worth almost two and a half million dollars! It almost increased in value by a million when he bought it way back... in 2020.

Oh mercy he starving paycheck to paycheck!
Don't take away money
From artists just like me
How else can I afford another solid-gold Humvee
And diamond-studded swimming pools
These things don't grow on trees
So all I ask is everybody please

Don't download this song
-Weird Al Yankovich, Don't Download This Song
 
The sad part is that these big media companies are replacing their script writers with AI. Now instead of the occasional gem in the rough ( Puss in Boots, I’m looking at you) it’ll be just pure garbage.

Truly, the ones coming out the worse in this situation are the audience and the environment XD

It's a wonder "Puss In Boots: The Last Wish" ever got made in today's media environment.
 
Looks like the WGA-Writers Guild of America has reached a tentative agreement with the Studios.


I'm no contract expert but from the summary they posted (and as they presented it) seems like the Writers got a pretty good deal.

For the nerds out there, there was even a provision regarding the use of AI/Artificial Intelligence.

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For the nerds out there, there was even a provision regarding the use of AI/Artificial Intelligence.

That's funny. The writers wanted a Luddite-style ban, the studios wanted free reign, and they got (basically) "here are a few basic limitations, but otherwise, studios get free reign".

This provision alone means that the studios basically "won" this. Consider it like this: suppose a deal is made in 1910, stating that horse carriage-drivers get a pay raise and some other labour provisions, but their call to ban the combustion engine has been totally rejected. However, car drivers won't be allowed in the carriage drivers' guild, and horse carriage drivers won't be forced to learn how to drive cars.

In other words: get fucked, boys. You won some short-term assurances, and you lost the long-term contest.
 
That's funny. The writers wanted a Luddite-style ban, the studios wanted free reign, and they got (basically) "here are a few basic limitations, but otherwise, studios get free reign".
Not really, no.

What the writers did not want was the studios basically gutting the writers rooms, using them at the creation phase of a show/season and firing them, and then hiring writers to specifically work on touching up AI generated scripts.

What they got is the studio can't make them use AI, the studio can't hand them AI generated content to touch up, the studio can't not tell them they're working on AI generated content, and the right to sue the movie studios for exploiting existing material in AI.

Which is realistically what would happen, because why would the writers forbid themselves from using a tool that would make their lives easier?

(Whether it'll help them write better is another question entirely.)
 
the studio can't make them use AI, the studio can't hand them AI generated content to touch up

As I read it, the studio can't make them use it, and can't hand them such material without telling them (but can still hand it to them if they disclose what it is). That's a somewhat subtle, but telling distinction.


the studio can't not tell them they're working on AI generated content

The studio is, however, free to use AI separately from the writers, which still means that eventually, a parallel production process can be set up that just makes the writers obsolete. Failure the prevent that outcome is the decisive factor here, in my view.

It's the difference between "cars are banned" and "carriage drivers can't be forced to drive cars".


and the right to sue the movie studios for exploiting existing material in AI.
As I read it, this is limited to material produced by guild members, which is -- ultimately -- irrelevant. You don't need that for the creation of a well-trained model.


The bottom line is: the only victory for those who can be replaced by an alternative is to ban the alternative. Anything else is just delaying action.

If you can be replaced by a neural net, you will be. Flesh-and-blood hacks cost more than digital hacks. The only writers worth keeping (and paying) are the good ones. And those don't need a union.
 
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The studio is, however, free to use AI separately from the writers, which still means that eventually, a parallel production process can be set up that just makes the writers obsolete. Failure the prevent that outcome is the decisive factor here, in my view.
I don't know about that, because if I'm interpreting the final clause of the agreement summary, that would give the writer's guild cause for legal action.

That's kind of the problem of trying to figure out what exactly the agreement means from a summary spreadsheet - the final clause smacks of legalese more than the others, so it's hard to know how punitive it is as a normal person.

If it's as punitive as possible, that creates a massive incentive for the companies to keep the writer's guild happy and not set up that parallel production process, which then maintains the guild's power in the next possible strike.

(The question is how long it'll take for that to happen, because LLMs and the processors to run them cheaply and efficiently are going to become more sophisticated and more available as time goes on. So the next strike might not go the guild's way, barring big changes in the legal/regulatory environment, because it'll be faster, cheaper, and easier for the companies to set up an AI based writing pipeline.)

The bottom line is: the only victory for those who can be replaced by an alternative is to ban the alternative. Anything else is just delaying action.
I don't think has ever worked in the history of anything.

Making things harder to acquire/implement through legal and regulatory hurdles? We see that all the time. That's part of how Hollywood has maintained its control of the media (although that control is slipping).
 
I don't know about that, because if I'm interpreting the final clause of the agreement summary, that would give the writer's guild cause for legal action.

That's kind of the problem of trying to figure out what exactly the agreement means from a summary spreadsheet - the final clause smacks of legalese more than the others, so it's hard to know how punitive it is as a normal person.

If it's as punitive as possible, that creates a massive incentive for the companies to keep the writer's guild happy and not set up that parallel production process, which then maintains the guild's power in the next possible strike.

(The question is how long it'll take for that to happen, because LLMs and the processors to run them cheaply and efficiently are going to become more sophisticated and more available as time goes on. So the next strike might not go the guild's way, barring big changes in the legal/regulatory environment, because it'll be faster, cheaper, and easier for the companies to set up an AI based writing pipeline.)


I don't think has ever worked in the history of anything.

Making things harder to acquire/implement through legal and regulatory hurdles? We see that all the time. That's part of how Hollywood has maintained its control of the media (although that control is slipping).

I do think it wise to wait for a more detailed overview, but isofar as what has been released actually summarises the key points, I feel my take on it covers the essentials. Indeed, bans rarely work forever; but they do work for long times, if enough pressure is applied. Usually, this involves the mobilisation of external social drives. (For instance: few now know that the origins of the criminalisation of cannabis stem from the logging industry, of all things, who saw hemp as a rival source for paper production. The ultimate ban has long out-grown this underlying motivation.)

For now, delaying action is the name of the game. And that works, too. But not for as long, nor as effectively, because better methods tend to have the bottom line to back them up. Case in point: Hollywood may have worked hard to keep control over entertainment media, but as you say: this is slipping. And that was Hollywood united, as all involved had a common advantage to defend. On the matter we discuss here, Hollywood is divided, because the interests of the studios are at odds with those of the writers and actors.

As I see it, the writers have lost, because in the long term, this agreement leaves room for the studios to pursue their interests--which they will--to the detriment of the writers. After all, most of these writers offer only mediocre fare at best. It shouldn't be suprising if a well-trained computer can do as well, and do it cheaper.

It wouldn't surprise me, certainly, if a few decades from now most 'mass entertainment' fare is written by machines-- trained by the vast, vast amounts of source material that are not owned by the Writers' Guild. The only outcome of this new agreement will be that the writers' guild pushes itself out of the market.

"We refuse to work on these AI productions! We have a RIGHT to refuse! Until you stop using this, NONE of our members will work for you again!"

"That's right. None of you will work for us again. Bye."

Actors may stand in solidarity with their writing "brethren". But by that point, non-actors'-guild-"owned" imprints of faces will be used to train AI, too. And with this, studios will be able to create... not live action, but... life-like action. Essentially a very refined "animation film" (involving no real actors at all), that looks perfectly like live-action. It may well be unable to convey profound emotion, but mass entertainment can't do that now, either!

So, in short: I'd find it very plausible, if it came to pass that actual screen-writing and acting by humans became a form of elite entertainment--like the opera--and considered quite distinct from the AI-created mass entertainment.
 
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Actors may stand in solidarity with their writing "brethren". But by that point, non-actors'-guild-"owned" imprints of faces will be used to train AI, too. And with this, studios will be able to create... not live action, but... life-like action. Essentially a very refined "animation film" (involving no real actors at all), that looks perfectly like live-action. It may well be unable to convey profound emotion, but mass entertainment can't do that now, either!

So, in short: I'd find it very plausible, if it came to pass that actual screen-writing and acting by humans became a form of elite entertainment--like the opera--and considered quite distinct from the AI-created mass entertainment.
and even if they do? how many new actors can be hired for cheaper and convinced to sign away their likeness? the power of Hollywood celebrities has been waning for a while. in part because of their attitude and also because the quality of their product has fallen. it wouldn't surprise me if they lose a lot of the status they have enjoyed.
 
Fire them all, there's enough fanfiction writers out there Hollywood could hire them probably for free out of sheer passion about the subject and we won't end up with garbage like Picard.

Or replace them with AIs everythings been garbage now for a decade at least, if nothings gonna be original or follow a series.

Let's let a computer do it.
 
Look, I hate to keep saying this, but I've been on this world for over half a century. I remember when these things were good, and when there was VARIETY in movies and the like. "Oppenheimer" was a throwback to this, to an age that gave us "Ghandi," "The Atomic Cafe," and "Koyaanisqatsi."

Things have changed. The old entertainment models no longer apply.

Netflix for example can agree with these people, give them what they demand...then just import superior content from Asia. I can go online to play games, watch movies or programs, or just do this at home, I have countless options even with a busted ASUS using a USB outdated Puppy Linux.

I do not need Hollywood, these writers, these actors. Neither do YOU.

In 1983 it would have been different, people would have cared. But thanks to alienating so many people, producing toxic garbage, ruining beloved stories and characters, etc. not only don't people care they are now hostile. They shot themselves in the foot, gut, and head. The strike can be over and all that they have won is a wasteland.

I can go to any number of online comics for better art, stories, and writing from people who don't hate me. I can get movie reviews from alternative sites. The power was always in the hands of customers, but now it is 100% in my favor. If space aliens abducted all of these people tonight we would be better off. This was the time to make amends, to hope people would be forgiving, but no, the mainstream media and the actors, writers, and studios just double down on that which has doomed them.
 
It looks like it's a three year contract.



So here's hoping Hollywood follows up with a sequel or reboot sometime in 2026-27.
 
I suspect this was a case of two smiling cartoon characters shaking hands while holding knives behind their backs.

It cannot be ignored that these writers and such have cost the big studios billions. Failure after failure, but they will not stop. Therefore this was an effort by the studios to get rid of as many of them as they could.

But the leftism the studio owners themselves pushed has turned on them, it is too late.
 

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