Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

[Aldarion]

It is not about making the rules. When you have the power, you can ignore the rules.

What is necessary is stacking the deck. Trump was on a good way with trying to stack the Supreme Court with conservatives, but that alone is not enough. We need to take over the Cathedral - the media, the academia and so on.

The question is, HOW?

 

[LordsFire]

For starters, don't vote? Why play 5 3 of spades up against 5 Aces? The game is nonsense, rigged, bullcrap.
Ban all major parties, start anew. You don't even have to hurt anybody.

In other words, 'let them take total power in all branches of government.'

In other words, 'give up.'

The reason Vyor asked if you want to just start shooting people, is because if you give up on non-violent political reform, violence is the only remaining option.

And refusing to vote is giving up on the only non-violent option.

What other options do you see?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

In other words, 'let them take total power in all branches of government.'

In other words, 'give up.'

The reason Vyor asked if you want to just start shooting people, is because if you give up on non-violent political reform, violence is the only remaining option.

And refusing to vote is giving up on the only non-violent option.

What other options do you see?

What I am curious about is why you think that headbutting a giant steel brick for the 999th time will make it finally crack. Voting is a sham.
Now that we have established that simple premise. What do we do now? No, 'vote harder' is not a suitable response.

 

[Ixian]

You have to beat the margin of fraud. and even if you can't the more you force them to cheat the more times they have to do it. the greater margins they have to beat. provides more chances for them to fuck up get caught and blow up their legitimacy.


in this case the goal would not be to beat the cheater at his game. it is to catch him in the act disgrace him for all watching and to put an asterisk behind his previous wins.

Except the ref and judge are friends with the cheater.

 

[Aldarion]

In other words, 'let them take total power in all branches of government.'

In other words, 'give up.'

The reason Vyor asked if you want to just start shooting people, is because if you give up on non-violent political reform, violence is the only remaining option.

And refusing to vote is giving up on the only non-violent option.

What other options do you see?

What I am curious about is why you think that headbutting a giant steel brick for the 999th time will make it finally crack. Voting is a sham.
Now that we have established that simple premise. What do we do now? No, 'vote harder' is not a suitable response.

Government doesn't matter. What matters is this:

It is not about making the rules. When you have the power, you can ignore the rules.

What is necessary is stacking the deck. Trump was on a good way with trying to stack the Supreme Court with conservatives, but that alone is not enough. We need to take over the Cathedral - the media, the academia and so on.

The question is, HOW?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

What do we do now? No, 'vote harder' is not a suitable response.

That's what we're all waiting for you to tell us.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

That's what we're all waiting for you to tell us.

You can figure out what is inedible, despite not knowing what IS edible. Just because you lack the answers to something doesn't mean the wrong answers are unknown.

But lets just agree to disagree.

 

[Terthna]

For the love of god they own the banks, they have functionally INFINITE money. Money is cheap, money is in fact WORTHLESS to these people.

A fair point, but not entirely true. They only have functionally infinite money so long as everyone else accepts that their money has value. If they keep printing it, they will eventually hit a breaking point where everyone sees their money as being worthless, and will refuse to accept it as payment.

We may not be able to win within the corrupt system they've set up; but we can make maintaining that system unsustainable. So vote; make them go to the effort of printing however much money it takes to negate it, and bring everything that much closer to total collapse.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

A fair point, but not entirely true. They only have functionally infinite money so long as everyone else accepts that their money has value. If they keep printing it, they will eventually hit a breaking point where everyone sees their money as being worthless, and will refuse to accept it as payment.

We may not be able to win within the corrupt system they've set up; but we can make maintaining that system unsustainable. So vote; make them go to the effort of printing however much money it takes to negate it, and bring everything that much closer to total collapse.

The worry is what if they squeeze their way into the next currency, and so on? And lets face reality, modern money in basically every western nation is an embarrassment on what it used to be.
A single coin is supposed to be able to buy SOMETHING, good luck finding a penny slice of bread.

 

[LordsFire]

What I am curious about is why you think that headbutting a giant steel brick for the 999th time will make it finally crack. Voting is a sham.
Now that we have established that simple premise. What do we do now? No, 'vote harder' is not a suitable response.

This is one of the most zero-thought takes I have ever seen on voting.

How long does voting take?

Like thirty minutes.

I will spend thirty minutes on a tenth of a percentage chance that it would actually make a difference, unlike you, who is literally advocating 'surrender to the enemy until we figure out a better option.'


Further, voting is not a sham. If it was, we would have zero conservatives or even Republicans in office. the fact that at least some get in there, shows that there is some effectiveness.

Even your primary point is a lie.


You have surrendered to despair in your heart, you've taken the easy, lazy way out. From the look of things, now you're just trying to push others to do the same so that you can convince yourself that you were correct, and that you shouldn't feel guilty about doing what is wrong.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

This is one of the most zero-thought takes I have ever seen on voting.

How long does voting take?

Like thirty minutes.

I will spend thirty minutes on a tenth of a percentage chance that it would actually make a difference, unlike you, who is literally advocating 'surrender to the enemy until we figure out a better option.'


Further, voting is not a sham. If it was, we would have zero conservatives or even Republicans in office. the fact that at least some get in there, shows that there is some effectiveness.

Even your primary point is a lie.


You have surrendered to despair in your heart, you've taken the easy, lazy way out. From the look of things, now you're just trying to push others to do the same so that you can convince yourself that you were correct, and that you shouldn't feel guilty about doing what is wrong.

Oh boy because 'conservatives' do so much, don't they? Also, not every nation is America. Look at Europe. Your choice of party is 'Insane liberals that want to exterminate the natives' and 'their best friends'.

 

[Vyor]

Oh boy because 'conservatives' do so much, don't they? Also, not every nation is America. Look at Europe. Your choice of party is 'Insane liberals that want to exterminate the natives' and 'their best friends'.

that... is because most europeans like the policies they put forward.

 

[LordsFire]

Oh boy because 'conservatives' do so much, don't they? Also, not every nation is America. Look at Europe. Your choice of party is 'Insane liberals that want to exterminate the natives' and 'their best friends'.

Yes, because overturning Roe vs Wade was leftists 'best friends' in action.

Because shifting from 'may issue' as the most common take on the 2nd amendment to 'Constitutional Carry' was the leftists 'best friends' in action. Heller and Bruen were also clearly pro-leftism things, weren't they?

Because the massive homeschool movement that's been building for decades now, that's definitely something the leftists are in favor of!


You just refuse to look at the positives as well as the negatives, and I'm hard pressed to see this as anything except 'giving up is easier.'

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

that... is because most europeans like the policies they put forward.

That's laughably naive, and you can break a population into believing or supporting anything with brainwashing.

Yes, because overturning Roe vs Wade was leftists 'best friends' in action.

Whoah, so now babies can only be murdered in states that allow baby murder (the same damned states as BEFORE Roe vs Wade).

This is a BIG WIN guys, TREMENDOUS.

 

[LordsFire]

Whoah, so now babies can only be murdered in states that allow baby murder (the same damned states as BEFORE Roe vs Wade).

This is a BIG WIN guys, TREMENDOUS.

Yeah, it is.

Tens to hundreds of thousands less babies murdered each year is tremendous.

Why on earth would you think it isn't?

 

[Abhorsen]

The idea that you are going to win in a heartbeat, and that a lost election, even a stolen/rigged one, means permanent loss, is hilarious bs that shows complete ignorance of history of people in worse situations. Seriously, the elections matter, but they are not the most important thing. The most important thing is the culture, and because of the leftist freakout, they are losing the culture for the first time in a long time. Now we need to see what the Right does with some form of cultural dominance. Last time, they decided they wanted the Patriot Act and pissed it all away. Don't fuck it up this time by handing weapons to your enemy: the deep state.

The only people to trust are those calling for mass firings of bureaucrats, IMO. So Trump and Vivek yes, Haley no.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

You can figure out what is inedible, despite not knowing what IS edible. Just because you lack the answers to something doesn't mean the wrong answers are unknown.

But lets just agree to disagree.

Dude...we're not disagreeing or agreeing on anything at this point. You've put forward absolutely ZERO alternatives aside from, "Don't vote, it doesn't do any good. Find a better option. No I'm not going to tell you a better option b/c I want to belittle you."
That's exactly how you're coming across right now.

Belittle me or other's opinions all you want. I don't care.

What I care about is a complete lack of substance form your responses.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Voting gives some fraction of political influence that we would all be fools to throw away. Better to have some influence than none.

 

[Aldarion]

that... is because most europeans like the policies they put forward.

No, it isn't.

Most people in Croatia definitely don't like the policies that HDZ and SDP put forward.

But here is the thing: voters care more about appearances than about substance. HDZ presents itself as a patriotic party while SDP presents itself as a Communist Yugoslav party... so Croatian patriots vote for HDZ, despite the fact that in reality HDZ supports Communism, Marxism, Progressivism and all other anti-Croatian policies.

As Nigel Farage put it:


Democracy is bullshit. And the main reason isn't that it is some grand scheme or a scam (even though it is both)... the main reason is simple human psychology.

If it was, we would have zero conservatives or even Republicans in office.

Even the Communist Party of Yugoslavia allowed some nationalists into its ranks. Doesn't mean that it was democratic or that voting mattered or that it cared about the people.

Voting gives some fraction of political influence that we would all be fools to throw away. Better to have some influence than none.

No, it doesn't. If it did, you wouldn't have this situation in France:

 

[DarthOne]

I find it amusing that people are still saying what basically boils down to "vote for change", "trust in the system, it'll work for us soon because something something vindication", et cetera.

People, your heads are still stuck in the past when the old political and social paradigms existed. Your goddamn Democrats and Leftoids smashed that paradigm to pieces years ago, and they've been pissing on the ashes ever since while mocking you for believing it still exists.

Your vote doesn't mean shit if they're the ones counting the votes, rigging the system, and getting away with it in open air. You might as well use your ballot for fucking toilet paper.