Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

[Bacle]

Umm, wait, what? The people least trusting are the most motivated to vote? Where did this come from? I thought they’d all just drop out of the whole. Especially with all those prepper nerds who turned “vote harder” into a mocking catch phrase.

Because some fools think that 'they cannot possibly pull off a steal like 2020 twice'.

The goal is to overwhelm the cheating with raw numbers

2020 had the 'highest' voter turnout in US history, and they still were able to cheat Biden into the WH.

Raw numbers don't mean shit when the votes are on electronic machines who can dole out 'parts' of a vote to make 2 votes really worth 1.5 and 0.5 while not messing with total ballot counts.

 

[Vyor]

Raw numbers don't mean shit when the votes are on electronic machines who can dole out 'parts' of a vote to make 2 votes really worth 1.5 and 0.5 while not messing with total ballot counts.

This has never been proven.

 

[Sobek]

The evidence does point to it being the case.

Though the fact is that not voting will just make it worse, as it allows them to get away without cheating. Even if they just cheat again, it is better to try vote anyway. It will allow more evidence, and there is far less tolerance this time around. You can bet that a lot more people will be paying extra attention, and I would not be surprised to hear of a far more aggressive stance taken by Republican and Independent volunteers to keep the counting transparent.

I bet a entire United States Dollar we will see at least one case of local sheriff or "militia" showing up to the vote count to make sure there are no "pipe leaks" that result in evacuation only for the counting people to get back inside to count it in peace.

 

[Bacle]

This has never been proven.

Yeah, and the rest of the what the Dems fucked with 2020 election have little or no 'official' evidence for it.

And because Dominion kept anyone from digging into the full logs of the machines, and/or wiped the machines logs with an update after the election, the attempts to find the evidence in theschines were unable to see the records they needed for the audits.

The evidence does point to it being the case.

Though the fact is that not voting will just make it worse, as it allows them to get away without cheating. Even if they just cheat again, it is better to try vote anyway. It will allow more evidence, and there is far less tolerance this time around. You can bet that a lot more people will be paying extra attention, and I would not be surprised to hear of a far more aggressive stance taken by Republican and Independent volunteers to keep the counting transparent.

I bet a entire United States Dollar we will see at least one case of local sheriff or "militia" showing up to the vote count to make sure there are no "pipe leaks" that result in evacuation only for the counting people to get back inside to count it in peace.

Oh, people should still go vote, and document everything happening at polling stations; not to stop the cheating the Dems will undertake, but to get evidence to confirm it happened, and plaster it all over the place.

 

[SchrodingersWehraboo]

Because some fools think that 'they cannot possibly pull off a steal like 2020 twice'.


Raw numbers don't mean shit when the votes are on electronic machines who can dole out 'parts' of a vote to make 2 votes really worth 1.5 and 0.5 while not messing with total ballot counts.

Wow sounds bad, so what can serious and concerned citizens do to make sure the fraud doesn’t succeed this time around? After all, there’s just such oodles and oodles of evidence out there that’s had over a year to be disseminated, yup? So surely, since people who’ve paid attention are all aware of steps A B and C in how the fraud went down, surely someone’s also developed ideas for how to (proverbrially) curb-stomp the brains out of any would-be fraudsters this November, which means that SURELY people are out there organizing contingencies for how to catch the Dems in the act. It’s not like you’d want people to just shake their fists shouting “damn that deep state, those bastards did it again” from twitter, right?

(EDIT): okay I just missed your above post. Capturing evidence is well and good but what is to be done after that?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

(EDIT): okay I just missed your above post. Capturing evidence is well and good but what is to be done after that?

Keep the original of the evidence. Don't hand your recording device over to ANY authorities. You'll never know when/how you'll get it back. Ensure pure copies are made if you're recording and don't edit the content for any reason, length or otherwise.

Get evidence to the police, voter authorities in your city, county and state. Don't rely on a single entity to pursue the case. Then look to Party admin/leadership/council to pursue legal charges. Also, make a written statement of what you saw 1st hand as soon as you can. Don't let time erase what you saw/heard. ONLY testify to what you saw and heard.

Those are the basics.

 

[Vyor]

The evidence does point to it being the case.

I've seen evidence of other manipulations, not that one.

 

[Bacle]

I've seen evidence of other manipulations, not that one.

Why else would a voting machine have a decimal place in it's vote counter software, unless it might do some calculations/tabulations that are not in 'whole votes'?

That is the simple question no one has ever provided an innocent explanation for.

 

[Captain X]

The goal is to overwhelm the cheating with raw numbers

I think this would only work if more districts withheld their counts long enough so that the Democrats don't know how many fake ballots to print, like that one NJ district did (IIRC).

This is an entirely genuine possibility, because the Establishment apparatus only has proper control of a few counties out of each state, restricting them to a maximum of those county's population. For proper battleground states, it's not out of the question to get so many legitimate Republican votes that they'd have to have more ballots from those counties than there are legal voters living in them, making it a flat-out impossible victory because it required above 100% participation.

Pushing third-parties in those counties helps contribute to this, as it reduces the valid margin where Dems can cook the books unless they go through the vastly riskier process of removing ballots.

Except I'm pretty sure that this was already shown to be the case in some cases, along with people who have been long dead apparently sending in mail-in ballots. Not to mention all the boxes of ballots that were found dumped by postal workers. Just think if any of those postal workers were bright enough to throw them somewhere not easily found.

 

[LordsFire]

The reason people who lack confidence in the 2020 election are highly motivated to vote is simple.

We either vote, and watch like hawks to prevent more cheating...

Or we give up and accept that violent overthrow is the only way to change the system now.


WE. DO. NOT. WANT. THAT.


Civil war is an ugly, ugly thing, and even if you win, it's incredibly difficult to have the net results be positive, rather than negative. Desperation to make the system actually work properly again is fueled by this.

 

[Cherico]

The reason people who lack confidence in the 2020 election are highly motivated to vote is simple.

We either vote, and watch like hawks to prevent more cheating...

Or we give up and accept that violent overthrow is the only way to change the system now.


WE. DO. NOT. WANT. THAT.


Civil war is an ugly, ugly thing, and even if you win, it's incredibly difficult to have the net results be positive, rather than negative. Desperation to make the system actually work properly again is fueled by this.

people use any and all legal, and non violent means to affect change before they turn to violence. A political establishment is given a lot of chances and I mean a lot to reform itself before people go into revolution.

The Czars for examples were given a ton of chances before they fucked up one time too many, as did king Louie even in the american revolution the british were given a lot of chances to unfuck things. Most of the time reforms are made and things trudge along just fine.

But when the elite becomes retarded well then things are pretty much fucked.

 

[Vyor]

Why else would a voting machine have a decimal place in it's vote counter software, unless it might do some calculations/tabulations that are not in 'whole votes'?

That is the simple question no one has ever provided an innocent explanation for.

Why would it do what the majority of software in history would do? It has the decimal there because in a computer, 1 does not always equal 1.

It could be 1.000000000000009 or even .999999999999982

Over a large sample size it averages to 1=1 but no matter what number you end on you get a level of imprecision.

Now, this does only apply to floating point numbers, but there are many reasons to use floating point numbers in modern software over INT numbers. Namely that you can do math on them really, really, really quickly.

Assuming that that software is written in Javascript or similar, it's very plausible that they didn't explicitly say that it was an integer with the BigINT type and instead used the default Number type; which means it automatically gets stored as a floating point value(64 bits in size and a mere 17 decimal places of precision).

If it was written in C or C++ they would need to define it as an FP or INT number, but there is frankly no reason to not use floating point in this case.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

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Even if all that's the case. Why would it EVER enter a vote as anything other than a 1 or 1.000000000000000000000000000000

 

[posh-goofiness]

Even if all that's the case. Why would it EVER enter a vote as anything other than a 1 or 1.000000000000000000000000000000

You're missing the point. Equality checks for numbers don't quite always work right. Hence why you do a fuzzy comparison to be very sure.

Of course, I don't understand why they didn't count booleans instead of counting floats so I'm just confused in general.

 

[Vyor]

Even if all that's the case. Why would it EVER enter a vote as anything other than a 1 or 1.000000000000000000000000000000

Pull up your calculator.

Put in 1+1

Congrats, you get 2.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000098234658756349561954

You know, if the calculator can show that many digits.

It is, quite literally, a fundamental problem with how math on computers is done. You can never have a floating point number be exactly correct.

Of course, I don't understand why they didn't count booleans instead of counting floats so I'm just confused in general.

A boolean is just "true/false"

If you want a massive array of those for each vote, sure I guess it could work... until you wanted to display the total, now you have to add them up anyway and you wasted a whole lot of computer time to get the exact same answer with the exact same problem.

 

[bintananth]

You're missing the point. Equality checks for numbers don't quite always work right. Hence why you do a fuzzy comparison to be very sure.

That only applies to floating point numbers.

Relational operators do work right with integers, which is what you should be using when counting votes.

 

[posh-goofiness]

Pull up your calculator.

Put in 1+1

Congrats, you get 2.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000098234658756349561954

You know, if the calculator can show that many digits.

It is, quite literally, a fundamental problem with how math on computers is done. You can never have a floating point number be exactly correct.



A boolean is just "true/false"

If you want a massive array of those for each vote, sure I guess it could work... until you wanted to display the total, now you have to add them up anyway and you wasted a whole lot of computer time to get the exact same answer with the exact same problem.

That only applies to floating point numbers.

Relational operators do work right with integers, which is what you should be using when counting votes.

Okay. Then why not work in ints

 

[Cherico]

Can't we just go back to paper ballots?

 

[Terthna]

Can't we just go back to paper ballots?

Then we'd just end up with the "hanging chad" mess again. The problem isn't the method; or at least, it's not just the method. The problem is that the entire system is corrupt to the point where fraud is practically baked into the entire process, because the people in charge do not respect our right to vote; they see it as a game at best, and an insult at worst.

 

[Vyor]

That only applies to floating point numbers.

Relational operators do work right with integers, which is what you should be using when counting votes.

Why should you use int? What benefit is it over FP?

Okay. Then why not work in ints

it's slower and there is... literally no reason to? The error is way deep into the decimals, it isn't enough to cause any real error.