Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

[The Original Sixth]

My argument is that the ballots had already been opened and stacked in the presence of observers. They were placed with the others. Then they went into those containers around 10 PM. They then came out of those containers, all on video, so they couldn't have been substituted. They weren't there when the day started.

The same observers who were standing across the room? Also, easy solution. Do a full audit. So long as they maintained chain of custody, then nothing will change the outcome. Right?

The implication of fraud means that somehow these ballots (presumably fraudulent for Biden?) were never challenged by any of the observers when they were opened, and somehow the Fulton County elections workers knew exactly which trays were their "special" ballots and that they would have a chance to sneak them into these containers, that all the observers would leave, then they could pull them out and scan them, all without the Secretary of State representative present noticing, and that somehow the visible CCTV cameras wouldn't have clued them in on this being a bad idea?

If so, the Fulton County elections workers are clearly in the wrong line of work, they should be knocking off casinos.

Again how do you challenge a ballot from across the room? How do you let the observers leave without telling them they're still counting ballots? Why do you wait until they're gone?

 

[Deleted member 16]

The same observers who were standing across the room? Also, easy solution. Do a full audit. So long as they maintained chain of custody, then nothing will change the outcome. Right?



Again how do you challenge a ballot from across the room? How do you let the observers leave without telling them they're still counting ballots? Why do you wait until they're gone?

Yes. Which is why there's been both a hand recount and a machine tally. Neither changed the results overmuch. If you want to match signatures, that can not be done in a way that matches the ballot with the outer, signed envelope after the ballots are opened. That is why GA law requires observers during that phase of the process.

So now you're arguing something entirely different, that the observers were too far away? That's not what was implied with the video at the hearing, or earlier in this thread.

Did a miscommunication result in the (not required) partisan watchers leaving early? Likely.
Was the legally mandated state observer present? Yes.
Did the ballots come from the same process as those counted earlier? Yes.
Was the vote distribution during that period within an expected ratio? Yes.

So what are you arguing?

 

[Vaermina]

Nice goalpost move. So, now that you've admitted that there were not suitcases full of fraudulent Biden ballots because the chain of custody was maintained like the Georgia SoS office said...

Nope, but good try.

How are you going to do that when it's impossible in Georgia because the ballots and signature envelopes are no longer mated? Just randomly throwing out ballots?

Nope, you do it just like they do in other states, count up the total signature mismatches, and if they exceed the number the election was decided by, you invalidate the results and re-do the election.

 

[Deleted member 16]

Nope, but good try.


Nope, you do it just like they do in other states, count up the total signature mismatches, and if they exceed the number the election was decided by, you invalidate the results and re-do the election.

Which there is no longer time to do before the Electoral College meets, if Georgia law even permitted such a step. The signatures were already checked twice, once requesting a ballot, and once when the ballot was received. How many bites at the apple do you want?

The process was overseen at the county level by bipartisan boards of elections, and the signatures were verified in open, public session.

Currently, the office has more than 250 ongoing investigations, many of them involving absentee ballots. Often they are from voters who went to the polls to vote and were told they’d already requested an absentee ballot, but say they had not, he said.

“Every one of those voters was on the rollover list,” Germany said. Voters on the list are elderly or disabled and had signed up earlier to receive absentee ballots throughout the election cycle.

The department’s 23 armed, state-certified law enforcement officer investigators don’t conduct investigations based on feelings, he said.

“These are law enforcement investigators and we want to make sure if we’re opening them, that we’re doing it based off of allegations that are actually investigable and not off of feelings that ‘I don’t like the result of this election,’” he said.

Georgia Gov. Kemp again calls for signature audit of election results, cites disputed video

Gov. Brian Kemp again calls for signature audit of election results; cites disputed video presented by Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani and legal team.

www.augustachronicle.com

So the conspiracy now includes the general counsel for the Georgia SoS office too? And all 23 of their sworn law enforcement officers?

Four days to the safe harbor deadline. Ten to the Electoral College vote.

 

[Vaermina]

Which there is no longer time to do before the Electoral College meets, if Georgia law even permitted such a step. The signatures were already checked twice, once requesting a ballot, and once when the ballot was received. How many bites at the apple do you want?

The process was overseen at the county level by bipartisan boards of elections, and the signatures were verified in open, public session.

And there are proper procedures in place for that very case that tell us what to do.

Hint, it involves directly appointing the electors.

As to the signatures already being checked twice, those two times were completely meaningless given the problems in question.

Georgia Gov. Kemp again calls for signature audit of election results, cites disputed video

Gov. Brian Kemp again calls for signature audit of election results; cites disputed video presented by Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani and legal team.

www.augustachronicle.com

So the conspiracy now includes the general counsel for the Georgia SoS office too? And all 23 of their sworn law enforcement officers?

Four days to the safe harbor deadline. Ten to the Electoral College vote.

You are fast hitting the limits of how much bad faith I am willing to put up with...

That general counsel doesn't control what is and isn't investigated, neither do those 23 law enforcement officers. And none of that is relevant to the Secretary of States refusal to authorize a proper signature audit in the face of multiple requests by the state governor.

 

[Deleted member 16]

It seems the Arizona House Majority leader disagrees with your reading of whether states can retroactively cancel the result of a popular vote for electors. Is he a RINO too? Is the qualification for that label 'A member of the GOP who will not do anything to ensure Donald Trump is president next term?'

As to the rest of your points; who does control what the law enforcement officers who serve the elections office investigate, if not that office?

Signatures were twice verified. You want to verify them again? Why? What evidence do you offer that doing so would change anything? Georgia law already has procedures to contest an election. That was why we had a hand recount in that state. The Republican Secretary of State of the state of Georgia believes their election was run well. You disagree, but no court has yet agreed with your view that the election has "failed" in any of the states this was alleged.

The case in Nevada was dismissed.

That Donald J. Trump does not appear to have won the 2020 Presidential election does not mean there was fraud sufficient to change the result, and the entire matter will be moot in ten days.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Dev I know it sucks I know its painful but there was cheating and there was fraud.

People have been caught red handed, the statistical data used to measure fraud says that the fraud is more obvious then enrons fraud. We are getting more evidence and more afadavids every day. This is all falling apart for the democrats in real time right in front of our eyes.

And that isn't even going into dominion and where that will go because holy fuck if that's true...things are terrifying.

I know you don't want to belive this that our republic is in that much trouble and that we are living in very dark times but this is the case.

After everything I've seen I believe it now. It's a corrupt bargain to get Trump out.

 

[Jormungandr]

"Totally no evidence of voter fraud, guys! Nothing to see here!"

 

[mesonoxian]

Careful. Admitting that you're a tankie is a bannable offence on this site.

S'alright, I'm not a tankie. I'm not even a proper Marxist.

Nah, don't ban them. Sunlight is the best disinfectant for muppets of every stripe.

I was pleased by this post for just a moment before I realized I was the muppet, and not the sunlight.

Gamer gate was a revolt against the Occupation and appropration of the gaming scene by intersectional post-left ideologues. Most who were involved arent embarrassed at all, they have just moved beyond it.

Its the Occupiers who still bring it up, because they sense something very significant happened during Gamergate, a portent of the future.

They should be embarrassed, death threats and whining over toys ought to be embarassing.

The reason people keep bringing gamergate up is because it demonstrates how easy it is for politically unsophisticated young men who are overinvested in their hobbies to be recruited by extremists. It serves as a reminder not to let communities you are involved with fester, and the futility of trying to talk sense into people who have mistaken nerd rage for an identity.

I do have to say, seeing women talking about video games being described as "occupation and appropriation" is genuinely pretty funny, though. There is such a desperate urge to play the victim that "people disagree with me about video games!" is taken up as some sort of bloody shirt.

I was gaming before most of those guys were alive. So have lots of other intersectional feminists. You don't get to decide who gets to create, play or talk about video games.

It is funny. For years "serious" gamers complained that video games weren't taken seriously as art, and as soon as they receive the most basic kinds of critical analysis every other art forms gets they scream "it's just a game, stop making it political."

So I repeat, they should have been embarrassed.

"Totally no evidence of voter fraud, guys! Nothing to see here!"

Do you think anything Tim Pool says will change the fact there is no evidence of fraud?

 

[Vaermina]

It seems the Arizona House Majority leader disagrees with your reading of whether states can retroactively cancel the result of a popular vote for electors. Is he a RINO too? Is the qualification for that label 'A member of the GOP who will not do anything to ensure Donald Trump is president next term?'

Cool...

But that's not something I am reviewing right now, and it's not something relevant, because we are talking about Georgia and not Arizona...

As to the rest of your points; who does control what the law enforcement officers who serve the elections office investigate, if not that office?

Signatures were twice verified. You want to verify them again? Why? What evidence do you offer that doing so would change anything? Georgia law already has procedures to contest an election. That was why we had a hand recount in that state. The Republican Secretary of State of the state of Georgia believes their election was run well. You disagree, but no court has yet agreed with your view that the election has "failed" in any of the states this was alleged.

The Secretary of State does not represent the State of Georgia, that's the Governor.

Who is in fact on record requesting a signature audit.

The case in Nevada was dismissed.

Georgia is not Nevada.

That Donald J. Trump does not appear to have won the 2020 Presidential election does not mean there was fraud sufficient to change the result, and the entire matter will be moot in ten days.

Then there is nothing to fear from going through every investigative step requested.

Also no, it won't be moot in 10 days, because even after the inauguration it's still a potential impeachment issue if it's discovered fraud granted Biden the election.

 

[mesonoxian]

Cool...

But that's not something I am reviewing right now, and it's not something relevant, because we are talking about Georgia and not Arizona...


The Secretary of State does not represent the State of Georgia, that's the Governor.

Who is in fact on record requesting a signature audit.


Georgia is not Nevada.


Then there is nothing to fear from going through every investigative step requested.

Also no, it won't be moot in 10 days, because even after the inauguration it's still a potential impeachment issue if it's discovered fraud granted Biden the election.

Trump wasn't impeached by his party for actual crimes. Even the Democrats aren't quite spineless enough to impeach Biden for made up ones (probably :V ). And if they were that dumb, you know that just makes Kamala Harris president, right?

 

[Jormungandr]

[...]
Do you think anything Tim Pool says will change the fact there is no evidence of fraud?

There's video evidence mentioned in the video.

Time-skip:
They literally pulled hidden ballots from under a table after people left.

 

[Deleted member 16]

Cool...

But that's not something I am reviewing right now, and it's not something relevant, because we are talking about Georgia and not Arizona...


The Secretary of State does not represent the State of Georgia, that's the Governor.

Who is in fact on record requesting a signature audit.


Georgia is not Nevada.


Then there is nothing to fear from going through every investigative step requested.

Also no, it won't be moot in 10 days, because even after the inauguration it's still a potential impeachment issue if it's discovered fraud granted Biden the election.

The same legal arguments apply about state legislatures choosing to overturn elections and change electoral slates. Every state these claims have been tested in court in has failed, witnesses and arguments have often been deemed "not credible".

Legally, no, the Secretary of State oversees elections in Georgia. That is why the governor has requested it, and the SoS has thus far declined.
There is insufficient time for a new election before the EC meets, and if every effort to prove fraud in court has failed, why would the SoS induce further uncertainty by entertaining the idea? To audit the results would achieve nothing under Georgia law, and with the looming special election, the county election officials are already under time pressures.

"We must investigate everything, there's nothing to fear!" was not the GOPs refrain during the various Trump scandals. They were "made up" and "fake news". Why is this more privileged when the scrutiny of court has rejected these arguments every time it is applied?

If you think Speaker Pelosi's House is going to vote to impeach Joe Biden, that makes as much sense as expecting Mitch McConnell's Senate to convict Donald Trump.

 

[Deleted member 16]

There's video evidence mentioned in the video.

Time-skip:
They literally pulled hidden ballots from under a table after people left.

Read the thread. The video evidence is disputed.

 

[Jormungandr]

Read the thread. The video evidence is disputed.

I'm sorry, but "video evidence is disputed" is often used to try to disregard evidence when it doesn't fit someone's narrative e.g. "ThErE Is No FrAuD!". They literally have it on camera that they pulled out hidden ballots after everyone went home, after observers left, and after they were legally required to stop counting.

What, you'll need Biden himself to go on camera, swear on a bible, take sodium penothal, hook his testicles up to a lie-detector machine and say, "Yes, we committed electoral fraud"?

 

[GoldRanger]

Read the thread. The video evidence is disputed.

Of course it's disputed. It would honestly shock me if the left did not try to dispute literally every single piece of evidence favouring the fraud allegations.

 

[Deleted member 16]

Incorrect. The ballots were put in that box in front of all the observers, from the same stock as the others. The "cutters" had left. The county "scanning" workers were ordered back to work. The state observers were there. The state legal requirement for partisan observers is during the opening and signature verification stage, not during scanning. There are timestamped screenshots showing these things beyond the clip that was shown at the hearing.

 

[Vaermina]

Trump wasn't impeached by his party for actual crimes. Even the Democrats aren't quite spineless enough to impeach Biden for made up ones (probably :V ). And if they were that dumb, you know that just makes Kamala Harris president, right?

Trump wasn't found guilty of any actual crimes, and it was never shown that he won the election via voter fraud.

So your attempt to create an equivalence has fallen flat.

The same legal arguments apply about state legislatures choosing to overturn elections and change electoral slates. Every state these claims have been tested in court in has failed, witnesses and arguments have often been deemed "not credible".

Legally, no, the Secretary of State oversees elections in Georgia. That is why the governor has requested it, and the SoS has thus far declined.

There is insufficient time for a new election before the EC meets, and if every effort to prove fraud in court has failed, why would the SoS induce further uncertainty by entertaining the idea? To audit the results would achieve nothing under Georgia law, and with the looming special election, the county election officials are already under time pressures.

"We must investigate everything, there's nothing to fear!" was not the GOPs refrain during the various Trump scandals. They were "made up" and "fake news". Why is this more privileged when the scrutiny of court has rejected these arguments every time it is applied?

If you think Speaker Pelosi's House is going to vote to impeach Joe Biden, that makes as much sense as expecting Mitch McConnell's Senate to convict Donald Trump.

The same legal arguments do not apply since a good half of them relied on Arizona state laws.

The Secretary of State does not oversee elections in Georgia, they only oversee voter registration, the reason why the SoS has to request this now, is because of where the ballots are in the states election process.

The Governor disagrees with you about what it could accomplish.

Your attempt at Whataboutism is noted, but you picked the wrong person to try it with given I am on the record as saying they should investigate any actual scandals and prosecute those actually found guilty of things.

As to Speaker Pelosi, if enough voter fraud is found to turn the election, and the Democrats don't bring articles of impeachment against Biden and Harris, they will have effectively written themselves out of existence as a political party.

Read the thread. The video evidence is disputed.

Actually it's not, everyone agrees that the video evidence is 100% real.

What's disputed is the relevancy of the video evidence.

The problem of course being, that so far the people disputing the relevancy are demanding that we ignore the video evidence and witness affidavits to do so.

 

[Zachowon]

Of course it's disputed. It would honestly shock me if the left did not try to dispute literally every single piece of evidence favouring the fraud allegations.

If they didn't I would be more worried as that would mean they won fair and sqaure

 

[Typhonis]

So what is the end result of this? Can Trump still win the election?