Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

[Lord Sovereign]

Nah, don't ban them. Sunlight is the best disinfectant for muppets of every stripe.

 

[Isem]

Isn't tankism just uncritically defending Stalin's USSR, as opposed to just being a marxist? There are degrees of commie after all.

Didn't the term technically originate from when the soviets sent tanks into Hungary though? That happened a while after Stalin was gone.

 

[Navarro]

Isn't tankism just uncritically defending Stalin's USSR, as opposed to just being a marxist? There are degrees of commie after all.

Stalinism, Nazism and Maoism are the three banned ideologies.

 

[Deleted member 16]

As noted previously, editing can make many things look nefarious, whether or not they are.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

I didn't think I would actually see somebody defend gamergate. I sort of had the impression that the people involved with it were embarassed by now. The whole point if "gamers are dead" was that everyone is a gamer these days. That gamer culture could just be called culture. The same way there is no film-goer culture or book-reader culture. But any given statement was a pretext at the anger over people having opinions on video games they didn't like, plus misogyny.

Gamer gate was a revolt against the Occupation and appropration of the gaming scene by intersectional post-left ideologues. Most who were involved arent embarrassed at all, they have just moved beyond it.

Its the Occupiers who still bring it up, because they sense something very significant happened during Gamergate, a portent of the future.

 

[Zachowon]

As noted previously, editing can make many things look nefarious, whether or not they are.

My trust for the SoS of GA is so low hell is jealous.

Unless they can explain the hours that the supposed water leak happend are still in there where people were told to leave, and only one party was left unchecked....

Of course you are basically saying a lot of people should be in federal prison for lying because of purgury.

Got anyone that isn't working for a RINO woth the full video?

 

[Cherico]

As noted previously, editing can make many things look nefarious, whether or not they are.

No it isn't legal.

By law they needed observers, people watching the count this is a blantant lie. It is asking people to belive the person in question instead of their own eyes.

 

[Deleted member 16]

State and county officials, including investigators for the secretary of state's office, said that the video clip making the rounds show the normal tabulation process. No monitors were told to leave, but Republican monitors and members of the media left when some election employees called "cutters" wrapped up for the night.
Georgia law § 21-2-408 spells out the rules for partisan poll watchers, allowing them to be present and monitor aspects of the elections process. But having monitors there is not required — and in fact, Democrats did not have monitors present at that time.
As for the so-called suitcase full of ballots allegedly removed from under the table? It was empty, the state's investigator said.
"There wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under the table," Frances Watson told Lead Stories. "It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table."
Furthermore, elections officials say there was nothing abnormal about the tabulation of ballots shown on the video.
"What the video shows is that they have pulled out plastic bins from underneath the desks," Fulton elections director Rick Barron said Friday morning. "It was normal processing that occurred there, as Gabe Sterling from the state explained this morning."
Sterling, the state's voting system implementation manager, said that investigators for the state watched the full surveillance video from Election Day and said those bins of ballots were already there and accounted for earlier in the day, while both monitors and the media were there.
A monitor appointed by the state election board had also briefly left and returned at 11:52 p.m. and another state investigator was there starting at 12:15 a.m. The final ballots were scanned around 12:43 a.m.

Fact Checking Rudy Giuliani's Grandiose Georgia Election Fraud Claim

The president's legal team came to a Georgia State Senate hearing Thursday to share allegations of fraud and misconduct with Georgia's election. Most of the claims were false, misleading or lacking actual evidence.

www.gpb.org

The state had monitors there because the SoS office didn't trust Fulton County to not screw up.

 

[Zachowon]

So...
Exactly what they were saying.
The Republican poll workers were told to leave and the dems stayed.

That is literally what they testified...

 

[Deleted member 16]

No monitors were told to leave, but Republican monitors and members of the media left when some election employees called "cutters" wrapped up for the night.
Georgia law § 21-2-408 spells out the rules for partisan poll watchers, allowing them to be present and monitor aspects of the elections process. But having monitors there is not required — and in fact, Democrats did not have monitors present at that time.

Does it make sense that a Republican Governor and Secretary of State would pick the county that is basically their arch-nemesis, that they "don't trust to not mess up" elections, and did voter fraud ONLY against Trump?

 

[Vaermina]

Fact Checking Rudy Giuliani's Grandiose Georgia Election Fraud Claim

The president's legal team came to a Georgia State Senate hearing Thursday to share allegations of fraud and misconduct with Georgia's election. Most of the claims were false, misleading or lacking actual evidence.

www.gpb.org

The state had monitors there because the SoS office didn't trust Fulton County to not screw up.

It might help to not post something that is very clearly lying....

No, there were no 'suitcases of ballots' counted in secret

Because sorry NPR, unlike you I apparently watched more then some cut down youtubers version of the video. Because I actually saw them pull out the suitcases full of ballots from under the table.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Well that doesn't look suspicious at all....

 

[Deleted member 16]

Containers of ballots opened in the presence of partisan observers and placed in these containers earlier in the video, and counted in the presence of Georgia SoS observers do not qualify as nefarious "suitcases of ballots". They qualify as 'how Georgia counts ballots'.

 

[Vaermina]

Containers of ballots opened in the presence of partisan observers and placed in these containers earlier in the video, and counted in the presence of Georgia SoS observers do not qualify as nefarious "suitcases of ballots". They qualify as 'how Georgia counts ballots'.

No they don't, and yes it does qualify as "how Georgia counts ballots.

But what was actually seen in the video, is not those things.

 

[Abhishekm]

Containers of ballots opened in the presence of partisan observers and placed in these containers earlier in the video, and counted in the presence of Georgia SoS observers do not qualify as nefarious "suitcases of ballots". They qualify as 'how Georgia counts ballots'.

Containers of ballots hidden under desks from before the start of the day and counted at a time when select members of the watchers were informed of a non existent pipe burst and informed counting was done for the day is how Georgia counts votes huh? Well alright, your the American Elections expert here I guess.

To be clear I don't really care much about either candidate. I'm not American so I explicitly try not to get involved or develop opinions on it because its not my place. I just really hate political double standards and voting violations. Those things erode all democracies and that is not something easily built back.

 

[Deleted member 16]

No, but the Republican Voting System Implementation Manager for the state of Georgia is, and his tweet and Facebook posts are further up.

 

[JagerIV]

No, but the Republican Voting System Implementation Manager for the state of Georgia is, and his tweet and Facebook posts are further up.

Trust the untrustworthy people isn't really a great argument.

 

[Abhishekm]

No, but the Republican Voting System Implementation Manager for the state of Georgia is, and his tweet and Facebook posts are further up.

The "Fact Check" the guy posted is a site posting his public statement on the contents of the video. So his proof of the "legality" of the action sums up to "those were normal containers", "there were no ballots in them anyway", "somebody from my office was there so there was oversight", all of which are just points from his statement and the article ends with a quote about Georgia law saying
"Section § 21-2-408 of the Code Of Georgia, which addresses poll watchers, explains that political bodies and parties are "entitled" to have official poll watchers. The secretary of state's chief counsel told Lead Stories it was not a requirement that observers be present for counting to continue -- only that it is their right to be there is they choose." As their explanation for removing poll watchers under false pretences?

 

[Vaermina]

No, but the Republican Voting System Implementation Manager for the state of Georgia is, and his tweet and Facebook posts are further up.

You mean the person who has negative credibility?

Not just because of the shit show that was the Georgia election this year, but because he's actively lying and deceptively positioning multiple points in the post you quoted?

 

[Deleted member 16]

And here is someone else who has seen the entire video from start to finish, showing the points at which ballots were placed in those containers.

I understand the desire for Giuliani's claims to be accurate, but at what point does one start to believe the people who have seen the entire video, rather than a selected clip?