Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)

[Airedale260]

$2000 checks was a great PR move that basically everyone was in favor of. The GOP senate could and should have capitalized on by delivering as soon as possible. Narrative should have been that Pelosi stopped checks from coming earlier to deny Trump a boost for the election.

Instead McConnell turned that great PR move into an own goal that cost him the senate. That's 100% his and the GOP establishment's fault.

Then why the fuck didn’t he just tell Mnuchin to agree to $2,000 instead of $600? It was only a good PR move for the Democrats, because the establishment GOP, whatever you think of them, is still half the party and you need them in order to get anything done, and hold the country to some kind of restraint in finances, otherwise why not just vote Democrat?

Trump is really just an old school Democrat with the same spending inclinations that are fucking this country up down and sideways. Now he’s stirring shit up with Pence, and pissing off a majority of the country.

 

[Terthna]

And that accomplishes what exactly....? Or is this just out of pure spite?

I'm not going to lie, it's mostly out of spite; although part of it is also me wanting to oust the controlled opposition to make way for actual opposition. Personally, I don't believe it matters who wins; either way, the Democrats will do whatever they want, and the Republicans won't do anything to stop them, even if they do control the Senate.

 

[Battlegrinder]

I'm not going to lie, it's mostly out of spite; although part of it is also me wanting to oust the controlled opposition to make way for actual opposition. Personally, I don't believe it matters who wins; either way, the Democrats will do whatever they want, and the Republicans won't do anything to stop them, even if they do control the Senate.

That doesn't sounds plausible given the GOP's previous history in the senate, which has been extremely hostile to democratic interests and more than willing to take actions they oppose.

 

[Duke Nukem]

 

[LindyAF]

Then why the fuck didn’t he just tell Mnuchin to agree to $2,000 instead of $600? It was only a good PR move for the Democrats, because the establishment GOP, whatever you think of them, is still half the party and you need them in order to get anything done, and hold the country to some kind of restraint in finances, otherwise why not just vote Democrat?

Trump's cabinet and staff have been mostly establishment types, it's been his most serious flaw, and a Goldman Sachs banker isn't exactly the exception. It ended up being a PR move for Democrats only because the establishment GOP was stupid in a way I think only the establishment GOP could have predicted.

The entire country has basically been shut down for 9 months. They owe us damages. The debt is never going to get paid back or paid down, and to most voters playing at being a budget hawk during a crisis feels pretty thin after a vote to override a veto on a massive defense spending bill. Not to mention the millions in foreign aid that made it past the uniparty establishment.

 

[Terthna]

That doesn't sounds plausible given the GOP's previous history in the senate, which has been extremely hostile to democratic interests and more than willing to take actions they oppose.

Verbally hostile sure; but it's all for show. In reality, they've done little if anything of any real substance to stand against them. The most obvious example of this is Obamacare; they had two years where they controlled both the House and the Senate, and yet they couldn't manage to abolish something they purportedly wished to abolish?

Or what about all the social media censorship they kept complaining about? We've all seen nigh countless clips of Ted Cruz lambasting Facebook and Twitter CEOs; but nothing actually came of any of it, beyond an ultimately ineffective Executive Order from Trump.

The entire point of controlled opposition is to make you think they oppose the establishment, when they in fact do not. Otherwise, why would anyone waste their efforts supporting them?

 

[Battlegrinder]

If they were controlled opposition, they wouldn't have block garlands SC nomination or seated ACB so quickly. It's inexcusable that rhier attempt to repeal the ACA was so incompetent, but I don't think that that alone makes them "controlled opposition".

As for section 230 and censorship, that's only become a major issue and started gaining traction in...what, the last two years or so? Congress doesn't act that fast.

 

[Tiamat]

People think it will show the GOP they fucked up

Fucked up?? How??? By not bowing to the supreme will of the Orange Man?

There's the President....and then there's the Constitution of the United States. Last I checked the latter supersedes the former. Something apparently Trump failed to grasp from the beginning. He might have if he would just put the damn Twitter down, but sadly he's been surrounded by Yes Men his whole damn life and this is the end result.

I'm not going to lie, it's mostly out of spite; although part of it is also me wanting to oust the controlled opposition to make way for actual opposition. Personally, I don't believe it matters who wins; either way, the Democrats will do whatever they want, and the Republicans won't do anything to stop them, even if they do control the Senate.

I'm curious to know what you and some others would consider acceptable as "actual opposition".

 

[Terthna]

Fucked up?? How??? By not bowing to the supreme will of the Orange Man?

That's really what this is all about for you isn't it; Trump. Not about the integrity of our electoral process; the "Orange Man". Yet another example of how there really is no difference between Republicans and Democrats.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Bruh.

 

[Terthna]

Bruh.

Starting to sound familiar, isn't it?

 

[Duke Nukem]

Starting to sound familiar, isn't it?

Yup, they did the exact same fucking thing on election night.

 

[Tiamat]

That's really what this is all about for you isn't it; Trump. Not about the integrity of our electoral process; the "Orange Man". Yet another example of how there really is no difference between Republicans and Democrats.

The problem is perception.

When Hilary lost, the Left screamed the integrity of the electoral process is tainted. Talk of getting rid of the Electoral College (extremely stupid), and of course the bogus accusations with Russiagate. Democrats calling themselves "The Resistance" and claiming to model themselves after the French Resistance of WW2, when they clearly had no damn clue what the hell was actually involved or what they were talking about. "Not my President", etc. etc.

Now fast forward to 2020. What do Trump and his more fanatical supporters do? Start sounding off similar nonsense with conspiracy theories, Trump telling Republicans to bend and do things his way or else nevermind half the crap he's veering into is unconstitutional, blasting anyone who doesn't agree with him as an enemy and a RINO, etc. etc.... Is this sounding familiar?

Have both sides finally lost their everloving minds? I'm starting to think they have.

What is the way forward here? I don't know, and I don't claim to know. But between the Democrats and a lot of the idiocy they've shown, and the increasing craziness of Trump, I admit it's not encouraging. Both sides seem to have developed a zero-sum attitude. All, or nothing. Neither side will accept the other's candidate no matter what's put forward. But this too will come to pass, or so I like to believe anyway.

But hey, if you want to claim I'm just another example of no difference between Democrats and Republicans and we're all part of some "Deep State" plot or whatever that's supposed to mean, go right ahead. At the end of the day people forget they all still live in an actual country together whether they like it or not. As painful as coexistence can sometimes be? It beats the alternatives....

 

[Cherico]

The problem is perception.

When Hilary lost, the Left screamed the integrity of the electoral process is tainted. Talk of getting rid of the Electoral College (extremely stupid), and of course the bogus accusations with Russiagate. Democrats calling themselves "The Resistance" and claiming to model themselves after the French Resistance of WW2, when they clearly had no damn clue what the hell was actually involved or what they were talking about. "Not my President", etc. etc.

Now fast forward to 2020. What do Trump and his more fanatical supporters do? Start sounding off similar nonsense with conspiracy theories, Trump telling Republicans to bend and do things his way or else nevermind half the crap he's veering into is unconstitutional, blasting anyone who doesn't agree with him as an enemy and a RINO, etc. etc.... Is this sounding familiar?

Have both sides finally lost their everloving minds? I'm starting to think they have.

What is the way forward here? I don't know, and I don't claim to know. But between the Democrats and a lot of the idiocy they've shown, and the increasing craziness of Trump, I admit it's not encouraging. Both sides seem to have developed a zero-sum attitude. All, or nothing. Neither side will accept the other's candidate no matter what's put forward. But this too will come to pass, or so I like to believe anyway.

But hey, if you want to claim I'm just another example of no difference between Democrats and Republicans and we're all part of some "Deep State" plot or whatever that's supposed to mean, go right ahead. At the end of the day people forget they all still live in an actual country together whether they like it or not. As painful as coexistence can sometimes be? It beats the alternatives....

Coexistance isnt possible if one side isnt bound by rule of law.

And if your wondering who I'm talking about then you havent paid attention to the months of rioting done by BLM and antifa.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Coexistance isnt possible if one side isnt bound by rule of law.

And if your wondering who I'm talking about then you havent paid attention to the months of rioting done by BLM and antifa.

Honestly, I wonder just how long will people take both BLM and ANTIFA at their word

Not sure which of you guys said it, but pages back, there were mentions about lots of people being angry about not just having their livelihoods destroyed but about rapes and murders

I’m honestly surprised at the latter even occurring during those riots somehow

 

[Megadeath]

Coexistance isnt possible if one side isnt bound by rule of law.

And if your wondering who I'm talking about then you havent paid attention to the months of rioting done by BLM and antifa.

There's been well over 10,000 associated arrests, so it would seem they are in fact bound by the law.

 

[Tiamat]

Coexistance isnt possible if one side isnt bound by rule of law.

And if your wondering who I'm talking about then you havent paid attention to the months of rioting done by BLM and antifa.

I'm fully aware of BLM and ANTIFA and those Socialist/Communist/wannabe revolutionary nutbars. I'm also fully aware there were plenty of complicit Democrats who were willing to use them ala Adolph and the Brownshirts back in the good 'ole days....

I also know there are plenty of Democrats who don't want a single damn thing to do with any of that brand of lunacy and just want to work and play, nevermind personal differences.

I also am aware of plenty of personas on the right who are right now doing circle-jerk fantasizing about civil war and finally getting the opportunity to pull out there guns and use them. And I'm very pro-2nd Amendment and a gun owner myself, btw.

I also know there are others on the Right, conservatives and whatnot that just want some damn semblance of sanity to prevail and be done with all this stupidity and get back to being Americans.

I am not naive enough to think coexistence is sunshine and damn rainbows, and it tends to be rather convoluted and ugly at times, but as stated I much prefer it to the alternatives. But it seems there are plenty of bad actors right now on BOTH sides of the fence who for their own reasons feel otherwise.

 

[randomkboy319]

But hey, if you want to claim I'm just another example of no difference between Democrats and Republicans and we're all part of some "Deep State" plot or whatever that's supposed to mean, go right ahead. At the end of the day people forget they all still live in an actual country together whether they like it or not. As painful as coexistence can sometimes be? It beats the alternatives....

Lurker here. Created an account just to expound on this post.

This person epitomizes the silent majority or the centrist or even the "I just want to grill" person I've seen posters here complain about.

This person talks about coexistance as if such a thing exists anymore. The Left want submission and will change everything to how they want it to be. All one can do is accept it or your a nazi and will be cancelled. This is not coexistance. This is conquest and for the losing side, submission.

This epitomizes the West in its totality. The Hard Left can do what they want and the majority will allow it and support it cause they just want things to settle down and thus the march of more and more deranged Left policies continues. The people who oppose the left can do nothing but shut up and submit and this is called "coexistance"

 

[randomkboy319]

An addendum, the majority support the hard left cause they are by and large liberal. Liberalism is just Left wing politics and culture slowed down + love of capitalism most of the time whereas the Leftist screech about how much they hate capitalism but they indulge in it.

Anyway, my last post. Returning to lurker mode. I just wanted to show you all why your side will lose and always lose. Society is liberal and liberalism is just leftism that hasn't caught up to what the current hard left are on about.

Mark my words, the republicans will in 10 or 20 years speak of conserving what is now called hard left but is now just normality and the hard left have gone even deeper into hard left doctrine and liberals will of course support the ideas of the hard left but think they are too violent about it.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Lurker here. Created an account just to expound on this post.

This person epitomizes the silent majority or the centrist or even the "I just want to grill" person I've seen posters here complain about.

This person talks about coexistance as if such a thing exists anymore. The Left want submission and will change everything to how they want it to be. All one can do is accept it or your a nazi and will be cancelled. This is not coexistance. This is conquest and for the losing side, submission.

This epitomizes the West in its totality. The Hard Left can do what they want and the majority will allow it and support it cause they just want things to settle down and thus the march of more and more deranged Left policies continues. The people who oppose the left can do nothing but shut up and submit and this is called "coexistance"

Well, there is some hope

I mean the Hard Left or the ones ontop, both Corporations, Governments and even the hedonistic disgusting douchebags at Hollywood don’t really believe whatever they preach

Mostly

I think there are limits to just how much they’re willing to go with Cancel Culture before they realize it’s not popular or that people don’t like being accused of being Nazis for criticizing writing and artistry that ironically insults minorities

Hell, they already don’t care about actual bigots, so long as they’re not from the West

If they actually believed what they preached, they would stand up for the Uyghurs in China