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LifeisTiresome said:
I'm of two minds on this, the average liberal and leftists surely wants Trump in prison but the elites? There has been talk that Trump and the elites will cut a deal and he will gracefully leave pleasing the GOP and giving legitimacy to the left and what he gets from this is no arrests or prosecution.
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That's definitely possible, and I can see him being pardoned for this reason. It would also demoralize his supporters too-moreso for him to be pardoned than imprisoned. It would make them wonder if Trump was ever on their side, and they would gain no useful lessons from such an event.

Abhishekm said:
You know I don't really like this talk about not caring if its a lie thing. The entire point here is that there are some serious questions to ask about this election. The don't care if its a lie talk detracts from that and seems disingenuous.
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Its not about the fraud specifically. Its about how claims of fraud are politically profitable for us in the long term.
 
Abhishekm said:
You know I don't really like this talk about not caring if its a lie thing. The entire point here is that there are some serious questions to ask about this election. The don't care if its a lie talk detracts from that and seems disingenuous.
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Hence why people as far gone as LI are useful only to their ideological enemies.

There are very few times that lies are justified. Actual warfare, law enforcement infiltrating criminal organizations, etc.

When you are trying to win a cultural war, lying is counter-productive unless you are committing to lies as your entire philosophy, in which case you are clearly in the wrong, and among those who need to be defeated.

I'm sure if we went to absurd extremes, we could find an exception or two, but they're not germane to practical living.
 
This election has convinced me conservatism is not only always going to lose, but is geared in to lose, both philosophically and structurally.

Though I had been coming around to this mindset for quite a long time.

It is clear, we need something else that preserves the ideas of conservatism-at least what it claims it values, while abandoning its stance and methodology as always guaranteed to fail.

Playing nice and keeping our suits clean and shoes polished is just a way to get our shit kicked in, while feeling like we're saints.
 
Lord Invictus said:
I wonder if Trump knows if he loses he is likely going to Federal prison, unless he's willing to flee into exile, somehow. So he would have every reasonable incentive to fight this to the end. If not for his voters sake, then his own and immediate family and associates.
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Highly unlikely, because he's a former president the most they could probably do is stick him under house arrest.

Anything more runs into the problem that he is so high profile a person nowhere would be safe to house him.
 
Lord Invictus said:
This election has convinced me conservatism is not only always going to lose, but is geared in to lose, both philosophically and structurally.

Though I had been coming around to this mindset for quite a long time.

It is clear, we need something else that preserves the ideas of conservatism-at least what it claims it values, while abandoning its stance and methodology as always guaranteed to fail.
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Well yeah, thats what I've been saying ever since I started here. Conservative inc aka conservative parties are part of the system, they serve it and are either controlled opposition or leftist lite aka liberals. You are no longer a part of the system, the system is lost to you. You have no hegemony so must now find a way to take over hegemony or destroy it or let it fall on its on and not protect it.
 
Vaermina said:
Highly unlikely, because he's a former president the most they could probably do is stick him under house arrest.

Anything more runs into the problem that he is so high profile a person nowhere would be safe to house him.
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Your not considering the determination and resolve of the Southern District of New York.

But I agree with Tiresome in that Trump cutting a deal to stay out of prison is quite possible. An outcome which is only bad for Trumpism as a movement.
 
or withdraw and find a way to preserve yourself and your beliefs, lifestyle away from the system as much as possible and maybe grow said preserve.
 
You know I've heard a lot of this imprison Trump talk, but as far as I know the guy has done nothing at all illegal and everyone knows it. Like for all the criminal talk there is actually no crime he has been accused of. So what gives with that anyway?

Just more degeneracy in the form of threatening to imprison your political rivals without cause?
 
Abhishekm said:
You know I've heard a lot of this imprison Trump talk, but as far as I know the guy has done nothing at all illegal and everyone knows it. Like for all the criminal talk there is actually no crime he has been accused of. So what gives with that anyway?

Just more degeneracy in the form of threatening to imprison your political rivals without cause?
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Cause they want to. Thats reason enough for them. Everything Invictus has been saying right now? That is leftist tactic. It achieves many things if they do this, demoralization and complete discrediting of Trumpism and his supporters cause they support a criminal!

Just ignore that leftism supports criminals and focus that they are now all about law and order when Trump is the target.

Its why I accept what leftists say on twitter cause they are surrounded by echo chamber and are addicted to likes that they can't help but admit their true intentions like equality is equity. Rightists just say that its a minority or its just conspiracy until it comes true and then they ask, why are things like this!
 
Ultimately I think this election will determine the future of the American right, the debates we are having are a microcosm of its current status, and where it ought go.
 
Abhishekm said:
Just more degeneracy in the form of threatening to imprison your political rivals without cause?
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They will also say that its cause Trump said the same thing about Hillary and they are correct except nothing happened to Hillary but Trump is worse then Hitler so of course something should happen to him.
 
Nobody lies for the sake of lying, even the most deceitful con-artists and corrupt politicians lie to achieve some goal. If somebody says that they’re okay with lying, how are we supposed to believe anything that they say?

I’m all for getting radical, but embracing lies isn’t that, it’s abandoning core principles that we should all value.
 
Lord Invictus said:
Your not considering the determination and resolve of the Southern District of New York.

But I agree with Tiresome in that Trump cutting a deal to stay out of prison is quite possible. An outcome which is only bad for Trumpism as a movement.
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And you're not considering Trump's Secret Service protections.

New York tries to put Trump in jail, they will literally have to fight their way through the secret service to get him there, due to jail being the next best thing to a death sentence for someone with Trump's former position.
 
Will the Secret Service get into a gunfight with FBI officers for Trump after he is out of office?
 
Lord Invictus said:
Will the Secret Service get into a gunfight with FBI officers for Trump after he is out of office?
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I just expect the Secret Service to be told by their paymasters to no longer protect him, infact they are to hold him for FBI or whatever.

And of course thats only if arrests happen. I don't expect anything to happen. This will leave the leftists seething.
 
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