Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
I believe so. Some cyber security head.
Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)
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Unhappy Anchovy
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Krebs was head of CISA, a cybersecurity agency in the DHS. It handled election security, and also countered lies and rumours about the election.
Turns out Jacobs' read was correct: it would indeed stay up until Trump fires the director and replaces him with someone willing to lie.
Turns out Jacobs' read was correct: it would indeed stay up until Trump fires the director and replaces him with someone willing to lie.
D
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Trump must never concede, and tell his supporters to never accept the election, even if just in their hearts. It is imperative, that his loyal voters, become irreconcilably opposed to the current order, which day and night seeks their destruction.
This may be a cynical take but even if there is no fraud-it is in Trumpism's interest to invent it.
It must be driven again and again, to his supporters that their voice was stolen and suppressed. Whether or not it is actually true, in the long term it is politically useful, and will help weaken one of the pillars of the system-if conservatives cease to trust or respect it, it will weaken ever more.
So upon reflection-it is my position that trump and his allies should promote the fraud narrative, even if there is none. So as to not demoralize Trump voters and instruct them in the true nature of the system.
TLDR: I don't particularly care if fraud is real or not, it needs to be proclaimed as if it is. For its long term political benefits. Because it does not matter if there was fraud or not-the fact Biden was elected shows the system is Fraudelent and it is Illegitimate. With Capital letters, not incidental lower case ones.
This election, if the opportunity is taken could open the eyes of tens of millions of Republican voters.
This may be a cynical take but even if there is no fraud-it is in Trumpism's interest to invent it.
It must be driven again and again, to his supporters that their voice was stolen and suppressed. Whether or not it is actually true, in the long term it is politically useful, and will help weaken one of the pillars of the system-if conservatives cease to trust or respect it, it will weaken ever more.
So upon reflection-it is my position that trump and his allies should promote the fraud narrative, even if there is none. So as to not demoralize Trump voters and instruct them in the true nature of the system.
TLDR: I don't particularly care if fraud is real or not, it needs to be proclaimed as if it is. For its long term political benefits. Because it does not matter if there was fraud or not-the fact Biden was elected shows the system is Fraudelent and it is Illegitimate. With Capital letters, not incidental lower case ones.
This election, if the opportunity is taken could open the eyes of tens of millions of Republican voters.
Abhishekm
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Thats neat but who is this guy? Some anglican humanities professor at a Baptist University? I mean points for not linking a partisan news article I guess but this guy relevant other than as one more humanities professor? Honestly asking, don't know much on commentators type people.
D
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Cries of fraud and illegitimacy, may be false, but they are True. They possess a deeper truth than whether or not Democrats in Georgia threw out Trump ballots. These accusations reveal a deeper understanding, however fuzzy that the whole order is against them and they must resolve to forge ahead for their own destiny.
LifeisTiresome
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Ara, Ara Lord Invictus. You speak like someone who supports revolution or rebellion against an established order would. I consider this to be based.
Finally accepting Left wing tactics?
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All warfare is based on deception. And Politics is the continuation of warfare by other means.
The lies promote a greater Truth. And lies themselves have power, an efficacious lie in the service to a just cause is worth more than ten thousand unnecessary or hindersome truths.
Aye, yes. I do not believe the current order should be defended, or apologized for. Whenever possible it must be criticized, demonized, and scrutinized. Every lie we tell, is in service to the righteous Truth of our cause. With that...well it is a matter of time before all the pillars crash.
This election is a watershed moment, in this regard, if we have the will to seize its opportunity.
The lies promote a greater Truth. And lies themselves have power, an efficacious lie in the service to a just cause is worth more than ten thousand unnecessary or hindersome truths.
Aye, yes. I do not believe the current order should be defended, or apologized for. Whenever possible it must be criticized, demonized, and scrutinized. Every lie we tell, is in service to the righteous Truth of our cause. With that...well it is a matter of time before all the pillars crash.
This election is a watershed moment, in this regard, if we have the will to seize its opportunity.
Unhappy Anchovy
Well-known member
He's just an evangelical Anglican professor I'm a fan of. I'm not presenting him as an expert or anything. He's just a guy I like.
ShieldWife
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Well, saying that lies are true even when they’re false is embracing a leftist tactic, though it’s one that I’d rather we stay away from personally.
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All that matters is victory, it is time to put aside this foolish attachment to fair play. Gentlemen in their suits do not prevail in life and death struggles for civilization. Those who will do whatever they must to win do. For too long, we have fought with our hands tied and our legs chained together. Because it made us feel better, because we could tell ourselves we were morally superior. When this only brought us defeat after defeat after defeat.
The Left wins because it dispenses with this nonsense of scruples and honesty. Only pure ambition, only the pursuit of power. Only victory.
Whatever helps us is good. If enlightening Trump voters means deceiving them, then so be it.
We owe it to our descendants, to whom we beseech a glorious inheritance, our ancestors for whom we have been given a glorious inheritance, and to ourselves who have stewarded this inheritance, to win and only to win.
LifeisTiresome
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An "expert" that must be listened to just like how "mainstream media" must be listened to. Cause they are experts and they know the "truth" via the "facts" even though academia openly says that facts are evil and math is racist and academia creates the experts.
Its just a priesthood we must listen to at the end of the day. Appeals to authority.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Yeah, and nonsense like this is why people as far down the rabbit hole as you are useful only to their ideological enemies.
D
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Yes and staid commitment to losing virtues from people like you is why we are looking at a century or more of Dem One Party rule.
I hope Trump prevails, I really do. But I can see a lot of opportunity for propaganda and enlightenment from his loss.
Abhishekm
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So Georgie has another county with new votes found. Fayett county something. 2700 for a net 400 more votes for Trump apparently. Also something from the Governor about yet another mission memory card from a Walton county with 240 something votes in it they can't find.
www.google.com
www.google.com
Recounts won't even be back till tomorrow night for the state and they already mention either candidate can again request a recount this time done by scanning. This really is a crap fest isn't it?
And Georgia's deadline for certifying the results is the 20th.
More than 2,700 uncounted votes discovered in Fayette County on a memory card
The votes produced a net gain of about 400 for President Trump.
www.google.com
2,755 uncounted votes found on memory card in Fayette County, officials say
As the election audit continues in Georgia, the Secretary of State's Office announced there were 2,755 uncounted votes on a memory card in Fayette County.
Recounts won't even be back till tomorrow night for the state and they already mention either candidate can again request a recount this time done by scanning. This really is a crap fest isn't it?
And Georgia's deadline for certifying the results is the 20th.
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ShieldWife
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I agree that we shouldn’t stick to rules that our opponents don’t obey themselves, but in the matter of truth and lies, if we were to blatantly embrace lies, what would we even be fighting for anymore? If we openly embrace lies, then how do we even communicate with each other, how do we even go about accessing the truth, how do we know what we stand for and how do we know who our allies are?
No, we should stick to the truth as best we are able.
No, we should stick to the truth as best we are able.
D
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I wonder if Trump knows if he loses he is likely going to Federal prison, unless he's willing to flee into exile, somehow. So he would have every reasonable incentive to fight this to the end. If not for his voters sake, then his own and immediate family and associates.
The lies we tell must not be for telling lies sake. But must be calculated to have a definite objective, a target or goal if you will. We should speak the Truth at all times, but never when it is harmful for us to do so, politically. Propaganda and dishonesty can serve the truth. A lie can be useful for something noble. It very often has been.
LifeisTiresome
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Leftists as in not the liberals can do all this perfectly fine. They know what they mean when they say equality whereas everyone else thinks that they are speaking of liberalism.
Just saying.
I'm of two minds on this, the average liberal and leftists surely wants Trump in prison but the elites? There has been talk that Trump and the elites will cut a deal and he will gracefully leave pleasing the GOP and giving legitimacy to the left and what he gets from this is no arrests or prosecution.