Election 2020 Election 2020: It's (almost) over! (maybe...possibly...ahh who are we kidding, it's 2020!)

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WyldCard4 said:
In theory, sure. The exact reasons for Biden not having a crowd were, you know circumstances that had not happened in a generation involving a nationwide and global pandemic. He didn't want to press a crowd together, and Trump's always been very heavy on the "press a crowd together" tactic. I don't see anything inherently implausible about "people were scared and angry and voted in record numbers through unconventional means" as a story.

Is that what happened? My guess is yes, but I wouldn't be super surprised if in say, 30 years everyone looks back on it and thinks "oh yeah, that was the election where the Democrats cheated." A lot of emotions are raw right now so I'm not going to be very vocal about this, but I think the odds are relatively high that if any recent election went squirrely it was this one.

Like in 2016 I also suspect that while fraud might've decided the election on the margin, it's way more likely it was in the "ten thousand votes per swing state" category. The expense and energy to drive up the vote count in safe states, a ton of which would've had to fake split ticket votes to not be obvious (pretty sure the "literally redo ballots to Biden and only Biden" would've been too hard and pointless to fake as opposed to extra ballots) makes me think that this actually was a record turnout election with people voting based on "ahh, plague, make it stop" more than anything else.
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I doubt that, Trump has consistently been drawing in massive crowds to his rallies. He just is that popular with the voters. When you had concerts for Hillary, people would stay for the concert part and then file out when it was over because they didn't give a damn about her. There was also the release of the victory speech from Biden where he didn't even go onto a stage and a pre-recorded voice clip started playing to an audience of empty cars.

The thing with the 2016 election is no one thought Trump would win. The media, pundits (Except Ann Coulter), Hollywood, just about every Democrat, they all thought he wouldn't win. Then he won. Then you had, since the moment he was proclaimed president elect, nothing but constant histrionics and hysteria from the media, working everyone into a frothing rage that Trump, who's a jerk and oafish but is ultimately pretty milk-toast, was the reincarnation of Hitler. Leaked audio from MSBNC (or one of them) had a conversation where they admitted they'd intentionally never mention anything good about Trump and only negatives. All of the MSM companies acted like that. Now you have people wanting to create purge lists, you have others creating Truth and Reconciliation things to tar and feather Trump's supporters. The morally superior side have engaged in non-stop smearing and abuse since he won the presidency and is it any surprise that the democrats are now doing everything in their power to steal the election?

A record turn out also in no ways goes against the voter count exceeding the numbers of registered voters in a lot of states. Michigan was the first and claimed it was a typo where they added 150K instead of 15K voters and that's a reasonable excuse that was rectified (or at least it was claimed to be rectified) but for the same thing to happen to multiple states? Nah.

It's clear the democrats cheated and cheated excessively. The party needs to be investigated and a new one created. That the democrats have sullied any claim to being honest and honourable has gone out the window and no one should be supporting them. At the least they need to be rebranded or a new party with the old leadership removed formed.
 
One thing I really like is that we have people from the left who claim to be the rebellion, against the establishment show even more how much they love the establishment despite all their claims to hate it. Fight the man! while shilling for MSM. Hate capitalism while buying iphones over and over again.

I sometimes can get why the Globalist Overlords have contempt for people. The people who claim to hate you so much and love to pontificate about how they will guillotine you do your bidding cause you put a fucking rainbow in your advertisements.
 
Chaos Marine said:
True, he moved them generally outside in some cases but yeah, there is an issue with the coof though at this point, with a vaccine right around the corner and treatments for it refined, it's more or less safe at this point.

In regards to the mail in ballots though, what about those 100K + votes for Biden that were mailed in and the statistically impossible occurrence of them all being for Biden? States having more people vote in them than there were registered voters?

I have absolutely zero concerns about the election however. The fraud is coming to be uncovered and regardless of what the MSM crows on about, President Trump will have his four more years and perhaps if he's lucky, Joe will be stuck into a nursing home instead of a prison where there will probably be a lot of democrats going to.
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1 - Still, public and crowded displays were still a bad idea. People are still dying also. I have had co-workers and their families contract it and there have been funerals. A Vaccine is too late for many lives and the economy.

2 - Remember that Trump said Mail-In Ballots was ripe for fraud. Much less Republicans voted that way for that reason while Democrats voted that way far more. It should also be noted that Trump also said to get an absentee ballot while also saying that vote-by-mail is different. Which it isn't. Both are votes ... sent through the mail. Also as far as I can tell the US Military overseas votes by mail and Trump himself used an absentee ballot to vote.

Said mail votes trickled in. The sheer volume due to COVID was overwhelming. Even so there were still alot people who voted early in-person. If there is anyone to blame for how slow it is then it is DeJoy for not getting all the ballots to the Election officials in time and the laws that determined what to count and when to count. Pennsylvania had such a metric shit-load of votes and they are still counting them. Turnout was undeniably very high.

The Original Sixth said:
I don't see why that would have any affect upon outcomes. Nor does the logic really hold. Playing it safe would mean that they wouldn't do anything to excite their voters one way or another, hoping Trump would self-destruct or to avoid doing it themselves. The result of high turnout rates in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania is somewhat suspicious. Especially with Biden not getting as high of a turnout as Obama did on Ohio.



Lines of a lot of people. She won 55%. Not exactly a massive blowout.



Actual polling of the Democrats showed he had lower support than Hillary Clinton. Him beating Hillary Clinton's turnout would have been surprising. Biden beating Obama's turnout in states with odd discrepancies is suspicious.



It's not nearly over. There's less than a 1% difference in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. If mail-in ballots heavily favor Biden, he could be in trouble as mail-in ballots could end up with high return rates. If that's the case, losing 2-5% of their mail in could cost Biden his lead. That certainly seems to be the case in Wisconsin and it may be in Pennsylvania. And would certainly be a crippling blow in Georgia.
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Dem voters were excited. Not everyone liked Biden. There are alot of people who would have preferred Sanders or just hate Trump alot more than Biden.

I've already mentioned Republicans were excited as well.

Now Polls ... it depends on what Poll. You claim one poll saying it shows that Biden was less liked than Clinton but I suspect you don't believe in the polls that said Biden did better than Trump. The only poll that matters is the election itself.
 
LifeisTiresome said:
One thing I really like is that we have people from the left who claim to be the rebellion, against the establishment show even more how much they love the establishment despite all their claims to hate it. Fight the man! while shilling for MSM. Hate capitalism while buying iphones over and over again.

I sometimes can get why the Globalist Overlords have contempt for people. The people who claim to hate you so much and love to pontificate about how they will guillotine you do your bidding cause you put a fucking rainbow in your advertisements.
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Found the meme:

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I would have more respect for leftists and liberal posters if they just admitted that maybe the ballots were fraudulent but they don't care cause they hate Trump and want him gone and will thus defend MSM. I can respect that then say you are a rebel but suck off to MSM.
 
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LifeisTiresome said:
I would have more respect for leftists and liberal posters if they just admitted that maybe the ballots were fraudulent but they don't care cause they hate Trump and want him gone and will thus defend MSM. I can respect that then say you are a rebel but suck off to MSM.
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NBC is also in on it from the interruption of my darn game!
 
Spktr Alpha said:
1 - Still, public and crowded displays were still a bad idea. People are still dying also. I have had co-workers and their families contract it and there have been funerals. A Vaccine is too late for many lives and the economy.

2 - Remember that Trump said Mail-In Ballots was ripe for fraud. Much less Republicans voted that way for that reason while Democrats voted that way far more. It should also be noted that Trump also said to get an absentee ballot while also saying that vote-by-mail is different. Which it isn't. Both are votes ... sent through the mail. Also as far as I can tell the US Military overseas votes by mail and Trump himself used an absentee ballot to vote.

Said mail votes trickled in. The sheer volume due to COVID was overwhelming. Even so there were still alot people who voted early in-person. If there is anyone to blame for how slow it is then it is DeJoy for not getting all the ballots to the Election officials in time and the laws that determined what to count and when to count. Pennsylvania had such a metric shit-load of votes and they are still counting them. Turnout was undeniably very high.
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1) The Shanghai Shivers is at a point where it's mostly harmless and doctors are far more knowledgeable in treating it. You see articles going on about spikes in cases but these days, the fatality rate is negligible however.

2) He was clearly right, it is ripe for fraud as we're clearly seeing. That also doesn't mean that in those sudden arrivals of mail in ballots should all have been exclusively for Biden. You would expect at least a couple percent of them to be for Trump for a variety of reasons such as the voter being disabled, not able to do in person voting due to work other responsibilities etc, but no, exclusively for Biden.

I will agree with you that the counting still taking place is understandable, they have more ballots coming in than they had registered voters after all.

Out of curiosity, what do you think about California immediately announcing for Biden the hour that the poles closed?
 
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LifeisTiresome said:
I would have more respect for leftists and liberal posters if they just admitted that maybe the ballots were fraudulent but they don't care cause they hate Trump and want him gone and will thus defend MSM. I can respect that then say you are a rebel but suck off to MSM.
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Trust but verify. I don't like Trump. I want him voted out. But mail ballots have existed for years so I'm inclined to trust the ballots without evidence (of the level I have talked about in this thread) to suggest otherwise.

Chaos Marine said:
1) The Shanghai Shivers is at a point where it's mostly harmless and doctors are far more knowledgeable in treating it. You see articles going on about spikes in cases but these days, the fatality rate is negligible.

2) He was clearly right, it is ripe for fraud as we're clearly seeing. That also doesn't mean that in those sudden arrivals of mail in ballots should all have been exclusively for Biden. You would expect at least a couple percent of them to be for Trump for a variety of reasons such as the voter being disabled, not able to do in person voting due to work other responsibilities etc.

I will agree with you that the counting still taking place is understandable, they have more ballots coming in than they had registered voters after all.

Out of curiosity, what do you think about California immediately announcing for Biden the hour that the poles closed?
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1 - People are still dead. Trump said of Ebola that if people in the US died then Obama was not fit for office. Republicans wanted to reopen the economy and said the deaths were a necessary sacrifice. Many disagree with that.

2 - Again. I need the Court-worthy evidence. My side can't trust your media, your side can't trust the MSM. It has to be something that cannot be denied.

3 - I didn't like any state calling so early. Or the racetrack-schtick all the news does.
 
Spktr Alpha said:
Trust but verify. I don't like Trump. I want him voted out. But mail ballots have existed for years so I'm inclined to trust the ballots without evidence (of the level I have talked about in this thread) to suggest otherwise.
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I'm not saying that the ballots are fraudulent. I said that I would respect the left if they just said that they don't care one way or the other but they will support for the its not fraud cause they just want Trump gone. I can at least respect that cause its an act or will to get something done.

Instead they seem to be fully believing whatever MSM says which says a lot about how supposedly ant-establishment they are.
 
Spktr Alpha said:
Last post for this thread for tonight.

Trust but verify. I don't like Trump. I want him voted out. But mail ballots have existed for years so I'm inclined to trust the ballots without evidence (of the level I have talked about in this thread) to suggest otherwise.


1 - People are still dead. Trump said of Ebola that if people in the US died then Obama was not fit for office. Republicans wanted to reopen the economy and said the deaths were a necessary sacrifice. Many disagree with that.

2 - Again. I need the Court-worthy evidence. My side can't trust your media, your side can't trust the MSM. It has to be something that cannot be denied.

3 - I didn't like any state calling so early. Or the racetrack-schtick all the news does.
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Then my challenge what is enough proof? A lot of people on this thread and everywhere else say they want proof, but then come and say, 'That is not enough proof.' If your requirement is only for court worthy evidence, then here are two pieces. There is a lot more, but is two enough? If that isn't if I give you two more court worthy pieces of evidence, will that be enough?
-Signed affidavit by postal worker indicating that ballots were being post dated in PA
-PA violating a Supreme Court order and then getting told to enforce said order again
 
Spktr Alpha said:
Last post for this thread for tonight.

Trust but verify. I don't like Trump. I want him voted out. But mail ballots have existed for years so I'm inclined to trust the ballots without evidence (of the level I have talked about in this thread) to suggest otherwise.


1 - People are still dead. Trump said of Ebola that if people in the US died then Obama was not fit for office. Republicans wanted to reopen the economy and said the deaths were a necessary sacrifice. Many disagree with that.

2 - Again. I need the Court-worthy evidence. My side can't trust your media, your side can't trust the MSM. It has to be something that cannot be denied.

3 - I didn't like any state calling so early. Or the racetrack-schtick all the news does.
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1) Two million was the original estimate of fatalities. Two-hundred thousand, with democrats telling their constituents to ignore social distancing and to go ahead and party in China town. A tenth of the original fatality count is a good outcome, not perfect but still pretty good. I'll give you the Obama not being fit for president thing, that was dumb.

2) "My media?" What media are you talking about? The videos showing republican ballot watchers not being allowed to view the ballot counters? Being turned away from the poling stations for spurious reasoning?

3) I agree with you here and that's a bigger problem than anything else. They announced Biden as the president elect despite the challenges by Trump and the GOP. That's going to bite them in the ass.

As an aside, the following sort of people are democrats and not at all the kind of people who should be in power. Definitely some whiffs of authoritarianisms.

 
Chaos Marine said:
As an aside, the following sort of people are democrats and not at all the kind of people who should be in power. Definitely some whiffs of authoritarianisms.
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The Left have no problem with authoritarianism as long as its them doing it. Its only bad when they are not in charge. Fair that this can be said of many groups but the left are particularly egregious for how they love spouting how they are of the people, how they love equality and are non-authoritarianism.

Did you know that there is a video I saw once where a professor was harassed in class by leftists and they were violent and disruptive but the professor called them right wingers or far right to his students in class when the protesters left. Just like how riots were cause of proud boys.

Playing around with names, words and narratives is what the left do.
 
LifeisTiresome said:
The Left have no problem with authoritarianism as long as its them doing it. Its only bad when they are not in charge. Fair that this can be said of many groups but the left are particularly egregious for how they love spouting how they are of the people, how they love equality and are non-authoritarianism.

Did you know that there is a video I saw once where a professor was harassed in class by leftists and they were violent and disruptive but the professor called them right wingers or far right to his students in class when the protesters left. Just like how riots were cause of proud boys.

Playing around with names, words and narratives is what the left do.
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There's a recording of a professor talking about how activists for the LGBT were paedos and was being called "homophobe", "transphobe" etc so that's not at all a big surprise to me. The left usually can't win fairly so they resort typically to name calling/shame or smear tactics, rule changing and then outright cheating. It's what they did with this election too.
 
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