Business & Finance Economic Fallout: Pandemic, Brandon, Money Printer Go Brr, Ukraine.

[Bacle]

Not when you didn't word it that way about the question if Ukraine will ever get to pay back their debt to lend lease.

Money laundering does happen when Ukraine is where US politicians use it to launder money and legislate pork.

The money isn't really 'laundered', because it was clean to begin with.

What this does do is allow DC's favorite corps to get more money without it appearing in Congressional records or being subject to a lot of anti-trust/anti-insider trading/conflict of interest laws/regs.

Ukraine is just the latest example, and more...righteous (at this point due to Putin going full retard) use of aid than most.

 

[Bassoe]

Let's be realistic, the best case scenario here is that all the loans are never going to be paid back on account of Ukraine ceasing to exist as an independent nation. The worst case being a repeat of the 1941 land lease where the US wasn't officially at war yet, but the status quo of the time wanted to be, but with nuclear weapons.

 

[Arch Dornan]

The money isn't really 'laundered', because it was clean to begin with.

What this does do is allow DC's favorite corps to get more money without it appearing in Congressional records or being subject to a lot of anti-trust/anti-insider trading/conflict of interest laws/regs.

Ukraine is just the latest example, and more...righteous (at this point due to Putin going full retard) use of aid than most.

Righteous so you believe.

You know what I think with all that generous amount of money being dumped at Ukraine? Plenty of that is going to be lost through the red tape to find itself in some politician's bank account.

 

[posh-goofiness]

Righteous so you believe.

You know what I think with all that generous amount of money being dumped at Ukraine? Plenty of that is going to be lost through the red tape to find itself in some politician's bank account.

It's the 9/11 billions all over again. But hey, when the average smoothbrain figures out that out... meh. It'll just be old news and the elites will get away with it. Again.

 

[Arch Dornan]

It's the 9/11 billions all over again. But hey, when the average smoothbrain figures out that out... meh. It'll just be old new and the elites will get away with it. Again.

It will. They said the same thing about South Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.

All that money sent down the drain and disappeared.

The outcome for Ukraine remains to be seen but I shall wait and see.

 

[Bacle]

It will. They said the same thing about South Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.

All that money sent down the drain and disappeared.

The outcome for Ukraine remains to be seen but I shall wait and see.

With Ukraine we are already seeing RoI in terms of the amount of Russian equipment getting knocked out by US weapons, and the Night Vision stuff we sold Ukraine let's them operate at night, while the Russians have to pause at night because they have so few night optics.

I was doubtful about the legitimacy of this conflict before it began, because I still thought Putin was a rational actor. Now, after what we've seen the past couple months...this is a very righteous war and one where American's aid might do more than line the pockets of certain DC favored companies.

It also let's us bleed Russia of manpower and high end weapons (Russia's PGM stockpile is almost gone, which is why they've switched to using massed arty fires and not tactical CAS with smart weapons), has alienated Russia from most of the world, and has shown that Russia's conventional forces are a hollow remnant of the Soviet military. I mean, there serious questions about how much of Russia's nuke stockpile is actually in operational shape, and how many of their warheads have been properly serviced/refurbished since the end of the Cold War.

So no, I don't see Ukraine as another Vietnam, Iraq, of A-stan, when it comes to the US sending aid and weapons there.

My only real fear is that Putin truly is terminally ill with advanced Parkinson's, and may decide to go out in a 'blaze of glory' rather than be known as the leader who botched the Ukrainian invasion.

 

[Cherico]

I feel like this might be the final battle of the cold war

 

[Arch Dornan]

With Ukraine we are already seeing RoI in terms of the amount of Russian equipment getting knocked out by US weapons, and the Night Vision stuff we sold Ukraine let's them operate at night, while the Russians have to pause at night because they have so few night optics.

I was doubtful about the legitimacy of this conflict before it began, because I still thought Putin was a rational actor. Now, after what we've seen the past couple months...this is a very righteous war and one where American's aid might do more than line the pockets of certain DC favored companies.

It also let's us bleed Russia of manpower and high end weapons (Russia's PGM stockpile is almost gone, which is why they've switched to using massed arty fires and not tactical CAS with smart weapons), has alienated Russia from most of the world, and has shown that Russia's conventional forces are a hollow remnant of the Soviet military. I mean, there serious questions about how much of Russia's nuke stockpile is actually in operational shape, and how many of their warheads have been properly serviced/refurbished since the end of the Cold War.

So no, I don't see Ukraine as another Vietnam, Iraq, of A-stan, when it comes to the US sending aid and weapons there.

My only real fear is that Putin truly is terminally ill with advanced Parkinson's, and may decide to go out in a 'blaze of glory' rather than be known as the leader who botched the Ukrainian invasion.

He looks much more healthy looking than Biden.

Your government is doing it just to fuck with Russia and get their resources on the cheap. The problem with that is whether you can afford it this time.

Louis thought he could with your Anglo cousins and he lost his head unable to deal with his debt.

If it were that so easy hearing a string of feel good news. I got similar positive news from Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan until it became untenable to hide the rot within.

 

[Bacle]

He looks much more healthy looking than Biden.

Go look at older photo's of Putin and look at him now.

His face is severely bloated, he has a tremor in his hands he can barely hide (it's why he grabbed the table when meeting with Shoigu), and he posture has gotten much worse.

I saw all the same stuff happen when my late mother's Parkinson's/MSA got bad, and I saw the same sort fo posture and table grabbing she did as the disease advanced in Putin's meeting with Shoigu.

Depending on how bad Putin's stuff is, he could have a little over a year or so before he's bedridden, or maybe 3-4 good years if it's just normal Parkinson's. It also explains why he is so paranoid about having people around him; a disease a healthy person could fight off might do a real number on Putin's compromised body.

Your government is doing it just to fuck with Russia and get their resources on the cheap. The problem with that is whether you can afford it this time.

Louis thought he could with your Anglo cousins and he lost his head unable to deal with his debt.

If it were that so easy hearing a string of feel good news. I got similar positive news from Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan until it became untenable to hide the rot within.

We aren't supporting Ukraine to get their resources, it's Russia who annexed Crimea and put troops in the Donbas not long after those new oil shale deposits in Ukraine, which were mostly off Crimea or in the Donbas.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Go look at older photo's of Putin and look at him now.

His face is severely bloated, he has a tremor in his hands he can barely hide (it's why he grabbed the table when meeting with Shoigu), and he posture has gotten much worse.

I saw all the same stuff happen when my late mother's Parkinson's/MSA got bad, and I saw the same sort fo posture and table grabbing she did as the disease advanced in Putin's meeting with Shoigu.

Depending on how bad Putin's stuff is, he could have a little over a year or so before he's bedridden, or maybe 3-4 good years if it's just normal Parkinson's. It also explains why he is so paranoid about having people around him; a disease a healthy person could fight off might do a real number on Putin's compromised body.

If you were talking about him having cancer I haven't seen it.

Typical old age symptoms at his age sure.

We aren't supporting Ukraine to get their resources, it's Russia who annexed Crimea and put troops in the Donbas not long after those new oil shale deposits in Ukraine, which were mostly off Crimea or in the Donbas.

I said Russia not Ukraine. Ukraine's an instrument to that. A good old regime change with another Boris Yeltsin in a color revolution will mean cheap resources back into the West.

Ukraine to halt key Russian gas transit to Europe, blames Moscow

Ukraine said on Tuesday it would suspend the flow of gas through a transit point which it said delivers almost a third of the fuel piped from Russia to Europe through Ukraine, blaming Moscow for the move and saying it would move the flows elsewhere.

www.reuters.com

 

[Sobek]

I am extremely skeptical of the idea that this is worth the massive economic consequences.

 

[Robovski]

Seriously, the money would be better spent in the US than on destroying Russian material and troops by proxy through the Ukraine. Or, better yet, not spent and not increasing our debt and worsening inflation because I have no confidence the money would be spent on anything that would see a return for the US people.

 

[Arch Dornan]

I am extremely skeptical of the idea that this is worth the massive economic consequences.

Someone I check up on thinks it's another money laundering scheme even better than covid or the health industry.

 

[Bacle]

If you were talking about him having cancer I haven't seen it.

Typical old age symptoms at his age sure.

And I said Parkinson's, not cancer, and only because I know the symptoms first-hand.

I said Russia not Ukraine. Ukraine's an instrument to that. A good old regime change with another Boris Yeltsin in a color revolution will mean cheap resources back into the West.

Ukraine to halt key Russian gas transit to Europe, blames Moscow

Ukraine said on Tuesday it would suspend the flow of gas through a transit point which it said delivers almost a third of the fuel piped from Russia to Europe through Ukraine, blaming Moscow for the move and saying it would move the flows elsewhere.

www.reuters.com

Nothing about the Ukraine situation is at all about the West trying to take resources from them, because we aren't; the only people after Ukraine's resources are the Russians.

The foreign aid is less questionable with Ukraine than many places, and bleeding Russia now, when they have undertaken an invasion of a sovereign nation, is not something I object to our tax dollars going towards.

 

[Bear Ribs]

 

[Arch Dornan]

Nothing about the Ukraine situation is at all about the West trying to take resources from them, because we aren't; the only people after Ukraine's resources are the Russians.

The foreign aid is less questionable with Ukraine than many places, and bleeding Russia now, when they have undertaken an invasion of a sovereign nation, is not something I object to our tax dollars going towards.

Once again I reiterate I said Russia not Ukraine. Ukraine has since got under Western influence to be a key hub for money laundering with Hunter Biden as the bagman as the lastest example.

Russia under Putin stopped being as Western friendly which is where things become a problem for your leaders.

With globalism they offshore their own industries and use resources to get their shit somewhere else. The Soviet Union's collapse was a good opportunity for enterprising capitalists to take advantage of the collapse leading to the oligarchs and plenty of under the table deals to the West.

Germany in their arrogance closed their nuclear plants to go green despite getting reliant on Russian gas.

And now Putin's not going along with what they want.

 

[History Learner]

With Ukraine we are already seeing RoI in terms of the amount of Russian equipment getting knocked out by US weapons, and the Night Vision stuff we sold Ukraine let's them operate at night, while the Russians have to pause at night because they have so few night optics.

I was doubtful about the legitimacy of this conflict before it began, because I still thought Putin was a rational actor. Now, after what we've seen the past couple months...this is a very righteous war and one where American's aid might do more than line the pockets of certain DC favored companies.

It also let's us bleed Russia of manpower and high end weapons (Russia's PGM stockpile is almost gone, which is why they've switched to using massed arty fires and not tactical CAS with smart weapons), has alienated Russia from most of the world, and has shown that Russia's conventional forces are a hollow remnant of the Soviet military. I mean, there serious questions about how much of Russia's nuke stockpile is actually in operational shape, and how many of their warheads have been properly serviced/refurbished since the end of the Cold War.

So no, I don't see Ukraine as another Vietnam, Iraq, of A-stan, when it comes to the US sending aid and weapons there.

My only real fear is that Putin truly is terminally ill with advanced Parkinson's, and may decide to go out in a 'blaze of glory' rather than be known as the leader who botched the Ukrainian invasion.

The only thing correct in your analysis here is that you are right in that this money will not just line the pockets of MIC here; it'll also line the pockets of Zelensky, his hanger ons, and the blood thirsty psychopaths in groups like Azov, Right Sector, etc. Other than that, completely detached from reality and basic sanity.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Top German Gas Buyer Concedes To Russian Payment Scheme

One of Germany's largest natural gas importers, VNG, has opened an account with Gazprombank for payments for Russian gas under Moscow's new terms. Per a...

www.iqstock.news

 

[Floridaman]

The only thing correct in your analysis here is that you are right in that this money will not just line the pockets of MIC here; it'll also line the pockets of Zelensky, his hanger ons, and the blood thirsty psychopaths in groups like Azov, Right Sector, etc. Other than that, completely detached from reality and basic sanity.

Don’t forget our parasites like congress, and the big guy.

 

[Arch Dornan]

We got things under the table we don't realise until the documents turn up later.

We're gonna see how well this went once more details are uncovered but it may well be very much later.