Dystopian Europe

[Jormungandr]

I don't think your right in the long term.

Quite simply put, this age of ours is an incredibly lonely one, an incredibly soulless one and its leaving a void it might not get filled with Christianity but religion will come back.

Some might; we're already seeing that in some of today's youth -- the key word being some. But outside of those atheists and agnostics that have gone, frankly put, batshit insane and utterly degenerate, most people are pretty firm in their (lack of) beliefs in some higher power.

You consider a lack of religion and belief in what I would call a Sky Fairy a "soulless existence"... except most people are perfectly fine with this over believing in what's basically a fairy tale, and they don't consider it as such.

Unless it's an outside force that influences it (such as an actual Higher Power appearing in some way conclusively) or Europe becoming Islamized because of the migrant hordes, religion is never going to have as much influence as it did up to last century.

I'd bet a hundred quid on it without hesitation.

To say that atheism's primacy in Europe will be permanent based on current trends betrays a very limited view of history. Even if Christianity does fade in Europe, which is far from decided, to say that it would never rebound is unrealistic.

Forever is a long time. You say that the World Wars caused the decline of faith in Europe. Who is to say that events of similar scale could not reverse this in the future? In time current historical events and cultural trends will fade and new ones will take their place. Be in in decades, centuries, or millennia.

Besides, if Christianity is replaced in Europe is will not be by atheism, but Islam.

Forever is a long time, yes, but unless something drastically changes, as I mentioned above, it's never going to rebound to the point where it was as influential as it was in the pre-19th and pre-WW I days.

The only way an event could have such an impact as the Wars did to revive religion is if something like the Biblical Armageddon occured, or if an Angel decided to get off his parrot perch and come on down to say hello.

But, sadly enough, I agree with you on the Islam point -- unless we curb these fucking barbarians from invading Europe, Europe will slowly becoming more and more Islamic. It may take a century or more, but it'll happen.

If people want to call me "Islamophobic" or "xenophobic" for pointing out how much of a shit show Europe and the UK are becoming right now because of these fucking invading hordes, then I embrace those titles gladly compared to burying my head in the sand like an ostrich or naively believing that importing the Third World will better Europe's cultures, populations, and lifestyles in some way.

 

[ATP]

True, but that's because people decided to create new denominations of Christianity instead of trying to change them. Although that said, the Eastern Orthodox church is an offshoot of the Catholic church, which itself is a different beast altogether from the original Christianity that Paul founded, so it's not like either can accurately claim to be the original incarnation of the religion.

Eastern churches are few old churches which are neither catholics or orthodox,like egyptian Kopts.
Or Ethiopians.

 

[LordsFire]

The Second World War, one far more destructive, coming less than two decades later was the death blow that caved in Christianity's influence as it had been. If there hadn't been a Second, Christianity may have likely recovered in a century or so, but II was the death knell.

A war started by an atheist, most bloodily fought by atheists, and then led into the Cold War, because a group of atheists established the Iron Curtain across eastern Europe...

Yes, this is clearly what killed Christianity in Europe.

Not, say, the fact that the elites of society had already started moving away from Christianity by the late 1800's, not because a lot of people looked at the Industrial Revolution, and the steady advance of technology, and became arrogant as so many civilizations in the past have, albeit for lesser reasons.

The worst horrors of World War II were inflected by atheists (Nazis) more Atheists (Communist Russians) and Shinto (Japanese).

The idea that this is somehow responsible for christianity waning away is ridiculous on the face of it.

If you look at the actual cultural movements that were aggressively trying to force Christianity and God out of the public square, you'll find they focused on two things; power, and personal 'liberation.' There's a reason the LGBT+ types have been on the vanguard of the secularist movement, and that's because they wanted freedom to pursue their sexual fretishes, and the cultural authority of Christianity stood in their way.

All across the 20th century, dictators have always attacked the church or tried to subvert it, because they cannot tolerate loyalty to anything else, and having people believe in God is intolerable.

You'll also notice the powerful correlation between increasing the power and expected responsibilities of government, as the various nations in the west become more and more secular, they also become more authoritarian and controlling, but...

They also absolve the citizen of more and more responsibility. You aren't responsible for your own health care, for your job security, for your housing, there's government programs for all of that. All you have to do in return is obey the government, instead of God or your own conscience.


You believe a narrative that it's the horrors of war that destroyed Christianity in Europe. Have you looked at how many of those who actually fought in those wars were Christians? Who remained Christians until the day they died?

Compared to how many of younger generations, raised in schools that secularists took more and more control of, decided they didn't need anything to do with God?

I don't know if this exists in Europe, but for decades now, it's been a known issue that young adults would go to college, and hardline atheists professors would literally bully students who would profess religious belief, mocking and belittling them until they caved as much as they could.

There has been an extremely aggressive attempt by social elites, especially academics, to de-christianize society. I suspect that has a lot more to do with such things than either World War.

 

[Morphic Tide]

The idea that this is somehow responsible for christianity waning away is ridiculous on the face of it.

It isn't "Christians did this", it's "God didn't stop this". The World Wars "broke Christianity" because if God would not visibly step in for that, then is He actually worthy of reverence? It is functionally a disproof of omnibenevolence, which is critical to quite a lot of Christian theology, because any "benevolence" that lets shit like the Holocaust through is so alien as to no longer matter.

 

[LordsFire]

It isn't "Christians did this", it's "God didn't stop this". The World Wars "broke Christianity" because if God would not visibly step in for that, then is He actually worthy of reverence? It is functionally a disproof of omnibenevolence, which is critical to quite a lot of Christian theology, because any "benevolence" that lets shit like the Holocaust through is so alien as to no longer matter.

No, it is not a disproof of 'omnibenevolence.'

Half of the Old Testament is repeated demonstrations of how if people are determined to go their own way in sin, God will let them go down into destruction. If you had any familiarity at all with the meta-narrative of the Judeo-Christian worldview, you'd know this.

And again, was it the generation that fought in the war that abandoned Christianity, or was it those that came after, particularly with the cultural and sexual revolution of the 1960's?

 

[Morphic Tide]

Half of the Old Testament is repeated demonstrations of how if people are determined to go their own way in sin, God will let them go down into destruction.

But it isn't "their own way". Millions upon millions who wanted nothing to do with it dragged into the killing. This is far beyond Sodom and Gomorrah, this is far beyond every example of God stepping in in some way. And yet there's nothing solid. In the face of losing a large share of the interested upper class in WW1, in the face of all the incredibly violent misotheism of the Soviets (the Nazis, as usual, had a much weirder thing going on), in the face of the population equivalence of multiple major cities being wiped out by exposure and starvation, God did nothing.

Leaving you to drive yourself to ruin is understandable. Doing so for driving half the fucking world insane is not. This is something that very much occurred among the World War veterans, and in the face of Maoist China. Just because people tend not to bother with asking "why did God let this happen?" on the regular does not mean the question was irrelevant.

And again, was it the generation that fought in the war that abandoned Christianity, or was it those that came after, particularly with the cultural and sexual revolution of the 1960's?

The cultural and sexual revolution of the direct children of the fighters of WW2? That was expressly driven by a refusal to acquiesce to authority? Because of where that went in living memory creating a zeitgeist of "Freedom At Any Cost"? The way that the clusterfuck of religious conflict locked the US into Deist-at-best governance?

I suppose it's somewhat more a secondary effect of forcing antipathy towards the general sort of strict hierarchies required for absurd ossified clusterfucks like Catholicism to evade question than typically directly growing from the doubts born of the horrors, but "the horrors broke belief in hard social power" is just as certain a death-blow.

 

[Jormungandr]

@Morphic Tide pretty much summed it up better than I ever could.

It isn't "Christians did this", it's "God didn't stop this". The World Wars "broke Christianity" because if God would not visibly step in for that, then is He actually worthy of reverence? It is functionally a disproof of omnibenevolence, which is critical to quite a lot of Christian theology, because any "benevolence" that lets shit like the Holocaust through is so alien as to no longer matter.

@LordsFire, your argument basically boils down to "blame Atheists" and "have faith", when the Wars themselves broke people's faith and helped foster Atheism. The echoes from them will never fade as it fundamentally changed European society as a whole.

This is why Christianity as it had been prior to the Wars will never be a dominant force in Europe again. It's why there will never be a "great religious revival" against the "degenerate Atheists" (the bad kind -- you know whom I'm talking about obviously) that you and other religious people are basically banking on.

Will some people find religion and such? Yes, there's no doubt about it, and if it works for them, it works for them. But those people will always be a drop in the bucket compared to everyone else.

You have faith and belief, and that's fine. You do you. But everyone else who isn't a believer sees the Bible as fables with good morals to them (e.g. don't be a cunt to your neighbour, work hard, et cetera) and God himself as a Sky Fairy on par with the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

This is what you and other religious people like your can't seem to understand, and any other viewpoint looks fundamentally alien to you, I guess.

The only "religious revival" that will happen is if European culture and values are basically subverted by a foreign element, which is what is happening with Islamic migrants. I... really don't want Islam to become dominant in Europe, given the shit it creates/brings.

Well, unless God himself or an angel descends to Earth, kicks back with a brew, says "sup homies?", then fucks off back to Heaven while we're all still running around like headless chickens.

 

[LordsFire]

@Morphic Tide pretty much summed it up better than I ever could.

@LordsFire, your argument basically boils down to "blame Atheists" and "have faith", when the Wars themselves broke people's faith and helped foster Atheism. The echoes from them will never fade as it fundamentally changed European society as a whole.

No, it doesn't, and you straw-manning me does little to convince anyone of anything.

But it isn't "their own way". Millions upon millions who wanted nothing to do with it dragged into the killing.

Yes, who wanted nothing to do with it, and then actively enabled World War II.

We know for a fact that it was the repeated cowardice and refusal of Allied leaders to act against Hitler that solidified his grip on power. There are things like journals and diaries from other German leaders that made it clear that if the Allies had responded by enforcing the surrender treaty when Germany first started breaking it, they fully intended to hand over Hitler as 'totally his fault, we're sorry, you won't see any more of that now.'

The leadership of France and Germany were elected. The people of those nations chose who would be negotiating with Hitler.

And that chosen leadership compromised again and again and again.

Germany chose to elect Hitler. The British chose Chamberlain. I forget the name of the French leader at the time, but he wasn't a monarch ruling by inheritance either.

When Germany remilitarized the Rhineland in 1936, they could have been stopped then and there. The allied leadership chose appeasement, and the citizens of those nations did not throw them out for it.

Annexation of Austria, annexation of the Sudetenland in Chzeckoslovakia, eating the rest of that nation, again and again and again people chose which future they wanted. Note that in some of these parts of this, the 'great nation' leaders forced other nations to submit to German expansionism and aggression.

Once the Allies finally did declare war after the invasion of Poland, there was a eight month long period known as the 'Phony war' because the Allies barely did a damn thing, instead ceding strategic initiative to the Germans again and again and again, until finally the Germans invaded the low countries and France.

And during that invasion, incompetence and corruption caused the French military, in spite of being larger than the German military, and in some ways having superior equipment, to fail and collapse in a matter of weeks.

This was the future that was chosen by the people of Europe across the 1930's. They sowed incompetence, corruption, appeasement, pie-in-the-sky dreams of disarmament, and they reaped death and destruction.

Were there voices that spoke out against this? Yes.

Do I have a perfect answer for what should have happened to those who tried to stop what they saw coming, and got bulldozed under anyways? No, though are there some clear things that could have been done, like those who realized what was coming and fled Germany/Europe, or nations like Switzerland who were wise enough to make themselves so heavily fortified everyone left them alone.

But don't you dare pretend that the conditions of World War II were the responsibility of anyone other than the people of Europe and their elected governments. This is classic human refusal to accept responsibility, creating destructive circumstances for ourselves, then trying to blame God for what happens.

God's moral law is pretty simple, and the wisdom literature in the Bible is pretty extensive. If mankind refuse to follow that moral law, and refuse to learn both from wisdom taught to them, and the harsh teacher of real world experience, they only have themselves to blame for what happens to them.

Do individuals suffer injustice because of the immoral actions of others? Absolutely. But the cause of that injustice there is the immoral action.

To argue otherwise is to ask for the removal of free will.

 

[Marduk]

Living memory, yes, but as you said and unlike in other periods in history, everything has been well-documented because of innovations in media e.g. film, audio, et cetera. That alone changes things compared to prior wars, as it fully exhibits how destructive both Wars were.

Although seeds were planted in the past, and there were even major events like the French Revolution in play, Europe predominantly remained Christian up until the First World War. The death and destruction was, at the time, unparalleled and to an extreme not even thought possible.

I would be rather skeptical of drawing a link between secularization and the world wars, simply because we have "control groups" for this theory, and they disagree.
Sweden, Switzerland, Portugal... Quite a bunch of countries that had very limited involvement in these. Yet those aren't countries excepted from the general trend, if anything, several countries very much affected by the world wars were at least slower to secularize, and in turn point at other factors. If would say it has a lot to do with... techno-economic changes in the lifestyle of the average Joe. This is why countries well known as undeveloped are not undergoing much secularization, at least not organically (looking at you commies), while there is no country with notable industrial or post-industrial economy that isn't secularized to a medium or high degree, and looking at that factor, we can even see interesting cases like Ireland and Spain that were notably less secular than most of Europe when poor and isolated, but rapidly caught up, if not overcompensated, as their economies caught up closer to the rest of Europe.

We are definitely dealing with two rather separate threads of secularization, organic, happening on account of what i would call sidelining religion out of culture and social organization by massive rise in state and non-state alternatives for some of the social organizational functions of religion, and another form, ideologically driven by left wing politics whose adherents are faced with a conflict between any traditional religion they may believe previously and their politics, which can also result in infiltration and subversion of religions, like well known case of liberation theology, or even such ridiculousness as self-proclaimed Muslim feminists.

In some cases, through history and geography these two separate threads may also mix and tangle in weird ways, like in former communist block more obviously, and in US left less obviously.

It's also worth observing what the exceptions to the rule do in order to be so exceptional, people like Amish, ultraorthodox Jews, Islamist groups, weird sects like JW and some others, and it does seem that all of them in one way or another maintain some significant degree of isolation from the wider societies they live among, their culture and lifestyle, and economy.

 

[Morphic Tide]

But everyone else who isn't a believer sees the Bible as fables with good morals to them

The bit that locks this in is the way that most churches, including no small part of the Catholic and Orthodox, have adopted this position over vastly more than in the 16th century due to so many claimed events being clearly impossible by all known physics with no available corroboration outside the scripture.

Yes, who wanted nothing to do with it, and then actively enabled World War II.

And the 8+ million Soviet civilians that died of starvation, disease, and exposure? The 17% of the Polish population? The 15-20 million deaths in China? All those other countries that had nothing to do with appeasement, especially in the Pacific Theater where no such thing happened in the first place?

 

[Typhonis]

I blame World War 1 for 2. It saw the death of 3 empires. Saw the destruction of an entire generation of men in Europe. New blood with new thoughts and new ideas. It showed how low man could go and that science could be weaponized. It allowed Communism and Fascism to rise and torment us too this day.

The partition of the Middle East and the problems that arise from that haunt us too this day. I just wonder if the War to End all Wars was Western Civilizations death blow? A fatal wound that nobody noticed.

 

[ATP]

A war started by an atheist, most bloodily fought by atheists, and then led into the Cold War, because a group of atheists established the Iron Curtain across eastern Europe...

Yes, this is clearly what killed Christianity in Europe.

Not, say, the fact that the elites of society had already started moving away from Christianity by the late 1800's, not because a lot of people looked at the Industrial Revolution, and the steady advance of technology, and became arrogant as so many civilizations in the past have, albeit for lesser reasons.

The worst horrors of World War II were inflected by atheists (Nazis) more Atheists (Communist Russians) and Shinto (Japanese).

The idea that this is somehow responsible for christianity waning away is ridiculous on the face of it.

If you look at the actual cultural movements that were aggressively trying to force Christianity and God out of the public square, you'll find they focused on two things; power, and personal 'liberation.' There's a reason the LGBT+ types have been on the vanguard of the secularist movement, and that's because they wanted freedom to pursue their sexual fretishes, and the cultural authority of Christianity stood in their way.

All across the 20th century, dictators have always attacked the church or tried to subvert it, because they cannot tolerate loyalty to anything else, and having people believe in God is intolerable.

You'll also notice the powerful correlation between increasing the power and expected responsibilities of government, as the various nations in the west become more and more secular, they also become more authoritarian and controlling, but...

They also absolve the citizen of more and more responsibility. You aren't responsible for your own health care, for your job security, for your housing, there's government programs for all of that. All you have to do in return is obey the government, instead of God or your own conscience.


You believe a narrative that it's the horrors of war that destroyed Christianity in Europe. Have you looked at how many of those who actually fought in those wars were Christians? Who remained Christians until the day they died?

Compared to how many of younger generations, raised in schools that secularists took more and more control of, decided they didn't need anything to do with God?

I don't know if this exists in Europe, but for decades now, it's been a known issue that young adults would go to college, and hardline atheists professors would literally bully students who would profess religious belief, mocking and belittling them until they caved as much as they could.

There has been an extremely aggressive attempt by social elites, especially academics, to de-christianize society. I suspect that has a lot more to do with such things than either World War.

Mostly agree,but Hitler,althought certainly no longer catholic,dabbled in occult.I even read,that he belived that envoys from Adharta/mythical demon city in India/ was meeting him.

So , german leaders,,when no christians,was not atheists,too.It is hard to say in what they belived,but they certainly had some faith.

 

[LordsFire]

And the 8+ million Soviet civilians that died of starvation, disease, and exposure?

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago.

Giving passive assent to your nation's government is still giving assent. Once evil passes a certain point, it is no longer enough to not take part, it must be actively resisted, and if you refuse to do so, you and others will pay the price.

You can certainly argue that the children of these failed people did not deserve what they got, but you again are coming back to the same problem:

Man does something evil, and you blame God for it.

Free will has consequences.

The fact that the most horrific evils in human history have been committed in bulk by atheists is obvious enough that even agnostics like Berlinski notice it. The fact that atheists are so eager to then blame God is indicative of the fundamental attitude that underlies a great deal of atheism:

If God didn't do what I would have done, then clearly God can't be real.

 

[Morphic Tide]

Man does something evil, and you blame God for it.

Free will has consequences.

The only way your sentiment is able to be put into practice is a comprehensive and shameless theocracy. Because people do not actually work that way, and many of these cases involve tiny-ass groups of people going after what are much more obviously nasty targets, like the Nazi Party proper's anti-Communist actions, only to use the leverage of state power once acquired to be utter monsters with pathetic approval ratings, like the Nazis applying the laws passed to try to keep them out of state power to remove their opposition.

"They didn't fight hard enough" is not a valid reason here. "Because free will has consequences" was specifically denied to the best of man's already-significant ability. We know humans are not perfectly free-willed actors, and the entire basis of Joseph Goebbels' position in all of this is taking advantage of this. The Nazi's rise to power is absolutely filled with abusing every then-known flaw of human nature, and the current push to go even further is outright mathematically optimizing how to push the things we have no choice in to make opposition as vanishingly unlikely as possible.

What in the very literal Hell is a better target for derailment with a well-placed smiting? Because the only way to go worse from here I can see in terms of opposing His word is open baby-sacrificing Satanism, and the only basis I can see for this being "according to plan" is that it's a structural dependency for the Antichrist's demagoguery as human nature is comprehensively exploited, only the blindly faithful holding to Truth in the face of a deliberate void of any actual reason.

I don't know about you, but I find setting up the vast majority of living humans to fail on a mountain of corpses like this unacceptable.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

"Because free will has consequences" was specifically denied to the best of man's already-significant ability.

OK, I'm trying to figure out when this happened, and what you mean by it.

We know humans are not perfectly free-willed actors,

Define 'perfect free will' for me please and how that applies to human acts.

 

[LordsFire]

The only way your sentiment is able to be put into practice is a comprehensive and shameless theocracy. Because people do not actually work that way, and many of these cases involve tiny-ass groups of people going after what are much more obviously nasty targets, like the Nazi Party proper's anti-Communist actions, only to use the leverage of state power once acquired to be utter monsters with pathetic approval ratings, like the Nazis applying the laws passed to try to keep them out of state power to remove their opposition.

"They didn't fight hard enough" is not a valid reason here. "Because free will has consequences" was specifically denied to the best of man's already-significant ability. We know humans are not perfectly free-willed actors, and the entire basis of Joseph Goebbels' position in all of this is taking advantage of this. The Nazi's rise to power is absolutely filled with abusing every then-known flaw of human nature, and the current push to go even further is outright mathematically optimizing how to push the things we have no choice in to make opposition as vanishingly unlikely as possible.

What in the very literal Hell is a better target for derailment with a well-placed smiting? Because the only way to go worse from here I can see in terms of opposing His word is open baby-sacrificing Satanism, and the only basis I can see for this being "according to plan" is that it's a structural dependency for the Antichrist's demagoguery as human nature is comprehensively exploited, only the blindly faithful holding to Truth in the face of a deliberate void of any actual reason.

I don't know about you, but I find setting up the vast majority of living humans to fail on a mountain of corpses like this unacceptable.

Your entire argument here seems to sum to:

'People let themselves be duped, then refused to resist evil when they saw the cost would be too high. This is God's fault.'

Am I reading it wrong?

 

[ATP]

Your entire argument here seems to sum to:

'People let themselves be duped, then refused to resist evil when they saw the cost would be too high. This is God's fault.'

Am I reading it wrong?

Well,i undarstandt his logic.Many times in my life when i fucked something i want to say,that it is God,not @ATP fault.

So,i could undarstandt,when others react the same way.It is hard to face Truth about myself.

 

[DarthOne]

Due to gangs of migrants causing violence, last night Swedish government has called in their military to restore order.

We were right about Sweden.




Swedish PM summons army, police chiefs as gang violence rocks nation

MSN

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) -Sweden's prime minister summoned the head of the armed forces and the police commissioner in a bid to stem gang violence, he said on Thursday, following a wave of violence that has taken at least 11 lives in September alone.

Two people were killed in separate shootings in Stockholm on Wednesday, and a woman in her 20s, thought to be an innocent bystander, was killed when a bomb tore up a house in Uppsala in the early hours of Thursday.

"This is a difficult time for Sweden. A 25-year-old woman went to bed last night on a completely ordinary evening but never got to wake up," Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson said during a rare televised address to the nation.

"We will hunt the gangs, we will defeat the gangs," he said.

Kristersson formed a centre-right minority government after last year's election with support of the populist and anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats, ending eight years of Social Democrat-led governments in Sweden.

His coalition won the election partly on a promise to stem growing gang violence, and it has launched a series of initiatives, such as greater powers to police and harsher punishment for gun crimes.


The measures have yet to take effect, but Kristersson blamed former governments for the problems.

"It is an irresponsible immigration policy and a failed integration that has brought us here," Kristersson said.

Sweden had liberal immigration policies for many decades and took in more immigrants per capita than any other European nation during the 2015 migration crisis. Those policies were reversed by the former Social Democrat-led government, but have been tightened by Kristersson's government. About 20% of Sweden's 10.5 million inhabitants were born abroad.

Earlier on Thursday, the opposition Social Democrats, the biggest party in parliament, called on the government to change the law, allowing the military to help stop the gang violence.

"This is not Sweden, this is not how Sweden is supposed to be," Social Democrat leader Magdalena Andersson told a news conference.

Kristersson said he had summoned the national police commissioner and the supreme commander of the armed forces to evaluate the options.

The police estimate that about 30,000 people in Sweden are directly involved with or have ties to gang crime. The violence has also spread from major urban areas to smaller towns where violent crime was previously rare.

Earlier this week, two people were shot dead and two injured when a gunman opened fire at a bar in Sandviken. The 11 shooting deaths this month make September the deadliest month since December 2019.

"The criminal conflicts in Sweden are a serious threat to the safety and security of the country," National Police Commissioner Anders Thornberg said in a statement.

"Innocents are murdered and injured. We are doing everything we can within the police and together with others to stop the development."

It's an issue that Trump, like many of us, saw happening and growing worse years ago.

…Funny how this never happens in Hungary. But yeah, diversity is our strength. (Sarcasm)

Replacement isn't a theory, its the objective.

Diversity is the strength of the globalists and politicians who want to break up the nation-state and national identities.

Unity and homogeneity is ours.

And yet we cling onto the idea that the West can vote our way out, when in truth our governments have ceded ground to these invaders over and over. I know that in the UK and Italy at least, people have repeatedly voted against this stuff, only to be backstabbed by their politicians, including those who promised to stop it but allowed the opportunity to slip through their fingers.

And yet we continue to do nothing, all while the foreigners pour in and subvert our voting system by weight of numbers and by voting in their own people, who care nothing for the nation they claim to serve- despite at least some of them having grown up in it.

And those who are of native blood aren’t any better. New politicians, same effect. They are still controlled by the same people; they still come from the same schools. All the major parties are the same.

Time is not on our side. With each year, each month, each day the scales tip all the more in their favor.

If I might be so bold to suggest this; We don't need to have everyone or even most people on our side. Three percent of the population is enough to force a change- most people will just go along with the crowd once the ball starts rolling.

So what if the former Swedish PM said that integration has failed? So did Angela Merkel concerning Germany's problems.

Nothing will ever be done unless we forcefully remove both the guilty politicians and unwanted troublemakers.

 

[Jormungandr]

Due to gangs of migrants causing violence, last night Swedish government has called in their military to restore order.

We were right about Sweden.




Swedish PM summons army, police chiefs as gang violence rocks nation

MSN

It's an issue that Trump, like many of us, saw happening and growing worse years ago.

…Funny how this never happens in Hungary. But yeah, diversity is our strength. (Sarcasm)

Replacement isn't a theory, its the objective.

Diversity is the strength of the globalists and politicians who want to break up the nation-state and national identities.

Unity and homogeneity is ours.

And yet we cling onto the idea that the West can vote our way out, when in truth our governments have ceded ground to these invaders over and over. I know that in the UK and Italy at least, people have repeatedly voted against this stuff, only to be backstabbed by their politicians, including those who promised to stop it but allowed the opportunity to slip through their fingers.

And yet we continue to do nothing, all while the foreigners pour in and subvert our voting system by weight of numbers and by voting in their own people, who care nothing for the nation they claim to serve- despite at least some of them having grown up in it.

And those who are of native blood aren’t any better. New politicians, same effect. They are still controlled by the same people; they still come from the same schools. All the major parties are the same.

Time is not on our side. With each year, each month, each day the scales tip all the more in their favor.

If I might be so bold to suggest this; We don't need to have everyone or even most people on our side. Three percent of the population is enough to force a change- most people will just go along with the crowd once the ball starts rolling.

So what if the former Swedish PM said that integration has failed? So did Angela Merkel concerning Germany's problems.

Nothing will ever be done unless we forcefully remove both the guilty politicians and unwanted troublemakers.

Import the Third World, become the Third World isn't just a "Right-wing Meme" as Leftists proudly declare.

 

[DarthOne]

Import the Third World, become the Third World isn't just a "Right-wing Meme" as Leftists proudly declare.

Foolishly declare. But then they are leftists, so I repeat myself.