Dystopian Europe

[ATP]

There is a fine distinction between a republic and a democracy.
Republics should have written constitutions that formalize the obligations and guarantee the rights of the citizenry.

Muh Democracy is just mob rule/covert oligarchic control writ large/with a nice label.

That and you being greedy and trying to gobble up lots of real estate populated by people that didn't really like you, like Hmelnitski.

And still, in some situations you need a strong executive, not a run by committee state.

1.We had quarantee the rights of citizen - sadly,only gentry and partially townspeople.
The same goes for obligation - sadly,they paid the same money as in 1410 as tax,and gold lost most of its value.
Curse you,Spain !
And If our farmers remained free,Poland should never fall.

And taking away farmers right and turning them into serfs.Idiots though,that they could remain free in state full of half-slaves.Well,it worked only in greek city-states,not possible in any bigger state.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Run by Labour.

 

[Captain X]

 

[TheRejectionist]

The British Isles inhabitants seem to have decided to collectively have a case of self-own and collective self punishment.

But that can be said for most of Europe.

 

[DarthOne]

The British Isles inhabitants seem to have decided to collectively have a case of self-own and collective self punishment.

But that can be said for most of Europe.

God help us all. When will the West stop being led by the nose by the people who wish to destroy it.

 

[TheRejectionist]

God help us all. When will the West stop being led by the nose by the people who wish to destroy it.

More likely we get controlled by maniacs.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

More likely we get controlled by maniacs.

i didn't watch...I'm assuming someone else is saying that Brand is EVUHLS.

 

[Skitzyfrenic]

i didn't watch...I'm assuming someone else is saying that Brand is EVUHLS.

He got #MeToo'd.

But the thing is they've caught the UK Parliment contacting various media companies and 'asking' them politely to demonitize him.

Given the Brand has a very successful social media (recently) career out of calling the gov't out on it's BS with well researched points...

 

[Jormungandr]

He got #MeToo'd.

But the thing is they've caught the UK Parliament contacting various media companies and 'asking' them politely to demonetize him.

Given the Brand has a very successful social media (recently) career out of calling the gov't out on it's BS with well researched points...

Accusations mean fuck all these days: Women have weaponized and used false allegations so much in recent years that unless there's any shred of evidence, and good evidence at that, that someone may have done the crime or acted like a creep, I automatically disbelieve any woman making such a claim.

Hell, in this day and age, their bullshit after hijacking MeToo has resulted in women basically becoming ostracized from jobs and training/career opportunities, social groups, or even just basic workplace interactions because men don't want to know/deal with any possible fallout.

BelieveAllWomen is bullshit and should be stomped on hard.

It sucks for the genuine victims out there, but they can blame their fellow women for pissing in the pool.

As for Brand? Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on all of those accusations. There's no proof other than "but she said" (which is sadly enough for the fucking morons out there that drink the "BelieveAllWomen" kool-aid), and it's obvious this is a blatant smear campaign/hit piece.

Our government being Orwellian cunts also backs this up.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

Hell, in this day and age, their bullshit after hijacking MeToo has resulted in women basically becoming ostracized from jobs and training/career opportunities, social groups, or even just basic workplace interactions because men don't want to know/deal with any possible fallout.

Plus this also spills into the dating scene as well, where men don't want to date modernized women anymore.

Is there anywhere else in Europe that isn't a complete mess?

 

[TheRejectionist]

Plus this also spills into the dating scene as well, where men don't want to date modernized women anymore.

Is there anywhere else in Europe that isn't a complete mess?

I can attest for Poland too traditional for me but you have patience you can have it a go, Czechia , right blend of modern and somewhat tradition to a degree, if you are extroverted like me girls will like that you approach ( hell I tried that with a very attractive tattooed lesbian who said "thank you but I am gay! But still thanks for approaching me!); Slovakia is the more proud-ish of the Central Europe but I heard good things about it; you have Belarus who despite being a relic imitation of the USSR you still have lasses that want to have families, of course then just like Polish girls you have to deal with the fact they will want their/your kids to go Sunday to church and few other things; Croatia and Hungary are still very Catholic and traditionial to the right amount from what I heard; if you consider them "European" in a very loose definition of the world you have Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan, I don't recommend Azerbaijani ladies because of personal experience : a girl I never met in one of my whatsapp groups wanted me to call a restaurant here in Italy for her! On the other hand, if you just say you want a serious monogamous relationship they might take you over a local; however you will have to deal with the fact she probably going to spout some propaganda from the current eternal president.
Another country you might want to consider, if you use an even more loose definition of Europe is Turkey, especially in Istanbul and Eskişehir, while they still want to have fun "European" style you are going to notice that they take relationship a tad more seriously than Western Europe (eg from Portugal to Scandinavia). Avoid Bodrum, Mugla, Izmir (I have an ex from there who did try to convince me that the Armenian genocide didn't happen because "she studied history" and probably because we were together) since those are the "Turkish Ibizas".
Balkans heard lots of good things too. Greece included.

 

[ATP]

God help us all. When will the West stop being led by the nose by the people who wish to destroy it.

When we become Chrystianitas again.Problem is - you need pope for that,and current one.....the less say,the better.

 

[Jormungandr]

When we become Christians again. Problem is - you need pope for that,and current one.....the less say,the better.

That's never going to happen.

Atheism and agnosticism are too well entrenched now, and honestly I wouldn't want the West to go full on religious again.

Not all atheists and agnostics are Leftists weirdos, but depressingly a lot of them are.

The conundrum is that If the choice is between needing to believe in a Sky Fairy and a Book of Fables (albeit with good lessons/morals in those fifth-hand stories) to keep things together and for society to not degenerate into... well, what it is now, or becoming a hedonistic weirdo/Leftist that is essentially part of a woke tyranny for the elites to exploit for their own benefit, then we're pretty much fucked either way.

 

[ATP]

That's never going to happen.

Atheism and agnosticism are too well entrenched now, and honestly I wouldn't want the West to go full on religious again.

Not all atheists and agnostics are Leftists weirdos, but depressingly a lot of them are.

The conundrum is that If the choice is between needing to believe in a Sky Fairy and a Book of Fables (albeit with good lessons/morals in those fifth-hand stories) to keep things together and for society to not degenerate into... well, what it is now, or becoming a hedonistic weirdo/Leftist that is essentially part of a woke tyranny for the elites to exploit for their own benefit, then we're pretty much fucked either way.

Then,we need Miracle.

I am not joking - according to many catholics Seers from the past,Church and cyvilization would fall - and then we would have:
1.Signs on the Sky
2.Enlinghtened of concience - people would see themselves as they really are
3. tree days of darkness when notching except blessed candles would gave light,and monsters would roarm land

After that,all wicked and part of just would be taken ,and people coulc start anew.
I hope,that it is real - becouse otherwise we could have either Caliphate or China.

 

[Jormungandr]

Then,we need Miracle.

I am not joking - according to many catholics Seers from the past,Church and cyvilization would fall - and then we would have:
1.Signs on the Sky
2.Enlinghtened of concience - people would see themselves as they really are
3. tree days of darkness when notching except blessed candles would gave light,and monsters would roarm land

After that,all wicked and part of just would be taken ,and people coulc start anew.
I hope,that it is real - becouse otherwise we could have either Caliphate or China.

With the way things are going, we'll have a European Caliphate soon.

"Import the Third World, become the Third World" isn't just a meme phrase, sadly enough.

 

[Marduk]

That's never going to happen.

Atheism and agnosticism are too well entrenched now, and honestly I wouldn't want the West to go full on religious again.

Not all atheists and agnostics are Leftists weirdos, but depressingly a lot of them are.

The conundrum is that If the choice is between needing to believe in a Sky Fairy and a Book of Fables (albeit with good lessons/morals in those fifth-hand stories) to keep things together and for society to not degenerate into... well, what it is now, or becoming a hedonistic weirdo/Leftist that is essentially part of a woke tyranny for the elites to exploit for their own benefit, then we're pretty much fucked either way.

Leftism, specifically its progressive, culture oriented mutation is a separate issue from this, i would say more culture based, though some religious people like to link them to toot their own horn.
I for not do not see a major difference between leftists attempting to wear Christianity or other religions as a skinsuit and those who don't, it's the same political idea that wants to do the same things either way.
Japan is a good case for disproving the supposed inherent link between irreligiousness and leftism, as the leftist arguments are finely tailored to catch on European, and especially English speaking world's cultural brainbugs, insecurities and political rifts, while finding poor ground to root into in any societies that don't share those, the less they share, the harder for leftism to find purchase in such a culture.

So, where are their leftists?

Christianity being a silver bullet against leftism, cool theory, but i don't think it can happen - because if it was capable of making this happen, leftism would not have gotten so big and pushed over Christianity so far in the first place, back when institutional Christianity was a much stronger influence in western societies and cultures compared to now. From that history we can take the conclusion that whatever opposition could be mounted from that direction, leftists have experience in fighting and winning against it even when it was stronger.

 

[Bigking321]

Christianity being a silver bullet against leftism, cool theory, but i don't think it can happen - because if it was capable of making this happen, leftism would not have gotten so big and pushed over Christianity so far in the first place, back when institutional Christianity was a much stronger influence in western societies and cultures compared to now.

This kinda completely misses the point of Christianity.

It's not a religious system that just by existing trumps everything else.

It's a way of life that is good for a person and puts them in line with God's will.

By no means does that mean that it's easy or automatically guarantee positive results. Christianity itself says to be a follower of Christ is to be hated by the world. To have a higher standard that conflicts with the unfettered base drives and corruption that the world can promote.

And Christianity itself says it can be ineffectual or corrupted. If the people following it become lazy and complacent then it will be ineffective. If the people claiming to be Christian don't actually follow it's principles then it will fail.

It was never about the Christian religion being some perfect counter to everything else. It's a intensely personal devotion that can have incredibly great results but in the end is only as effective as the people are dedicated to it.

If the people become worldly and unserious about their faith then Christian systems can fall quite easily. It's happened many times. But then the serious core endures and flourishes again.

Edit: There is kinda a generational structure to it. Similar to the hard times/hard people/soft times/soft people meme.

The first generation is faithful and endures and eventually gets blessings and prosperity. The second generation saw their parents do that and follow their example remaining faithful. The third generation saw their parents do none of the struggle and become lax in their faith seeing it as unnecessary or unimportant and losing the benefits. The forth generation see their parents not being serious and reject the faith seeing it as being worthless and forced on them so they rebel against it causing disaster and collapse. The fifth generation sees the results of rebellion and comes back to the faith enduring and getting blessed and bringing prosperity. And so on.

Not universal by any means of course. But a trend.

 

[Marduk]

This kinda completely misses the point of Christianity.

It's not a religious system that just by existing trumps everything else.

It's a way of life that is good for a person and puts them in line with God's will.

By no means does that mean that it's easy or automatically guarantee positive results. Christianity itself says to be a follower of Christ is to be hated by the world. To have a higher standard that conflicts with the unfettered base drives and corruption that the world can promote.

And Christianity itself says it can be ineffectual or corrupted. If the people following it become lazy and complacent then it will be ineffective. If the people claiming to be Christian don't actually follow it's principles then it will fail.

It was never about the Christian religion being some perfect counter to everything else. It's a intensely personal devotion that can have incredibly great results but in the end is only as effective as the people are dedicated to it.

If the people become worldly and unserious about their faith then Christian systems can fall quite easily. It's happened many times. But then the serious core endures and flourishes again.

Never to such degree as now. The only time it came even close i would say was the Reformation and its fallout, and even what was mostly dealing with institutional level, rather than the general population becoming irreligious on a large scale.

Edit: There is kinda a generational structure to it. Similar to the hard times/hard people/soft times/soft people meme.

The first generation is faithful and endures and eventually gets blessings and prosperity. The second generation saw their parents do that and follow their example remaining faithful. The third generation saw their parents do none of the struggle and become lax in their faith seeing it as unnecessary or unimportant and losing the benefits. The forth generation see their parents not being serious and reject the faith seeing it as being worthless and forced on them so they rebel against it causing disaster and collapse. The fifth generation sees the results of rebellion and comes back to the faith enduring and getting blessed and bringing prosperity. And so on.

Not universal by any means of course. But a trend.

It's also a trend that precedes the fall of many religions that today we read about in history books only, with fifth generation simply switching to another religion or sect of a religion that is doing better in some way.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

It's also a trend that precedes the fall of many religions that today we read about in history books only, with fifth generation simply switching to another religion or sect of a religion that is doing better in some way.

Except Christianity has overcome this to a large degree. 70+ generations and counting.

 

[Marduk]

Except Christianity has overcome this to a large degree. 70+ generations and counting.

Obviously the cycles can be slower than one generation.