Religion Does the New Testament teach that Jesus is the God of the Old Testament, Yahweh?

[Stargazer]

Continued from

https://the-sietch.com/index.php?threads/republicans-race-and-the-great-replacement.8213/page-4#post-287684

is he one of pilots who died staying on topic?
And @Stargazer we have citation for Peter getting keys to heaven,but where exactly Jesus said that he is Jahwe?

There is of course the prologue to John, where speaks of the Word, which is God, and became flesh, meaning Jesus. That should be enough to identify Jesus as God. But let's go a little deeper, and connect Jesus specifically to the God Yahweh spoken of in the Old Testament.

But though He had performed so many signs in their sight, they still were not believing in Him. This happened so that the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke would be fulfilled: “Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?” For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again, “He has blinded their eyes and He hardened their heart, so that they will not see with their eyes and understand with their heart, and be converted, and so I will not heal them.” These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and he spoke about Him.
John 12:37‭-‬41 NASB2020

John here is referencing the prophet Isaiah, specifically Isaiah 53:1 and 6:10. Isaiah 6 is the passage where Isaiah has a vision of Yahweh:


In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple.
Isaiah 6:1 NASB2020

So, Isaiah saw Yahweh. But, notice what John said. "These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory, and he spoke about Him." Who is John referring to as "His" and "Him"? Jesus. John is speaking as though Isaiah saw Jesus. Isaiah saw and spoke of Yahweh, and in doing so saw and spoke of Jesus. They are the same.

And one more:

But regarding the Son He says, “Your throne, God, is forever and ever, And the scepter of righteousness is the scepter of His kingdom. “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of joy above Your companions.” And, “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Your hands; They will perish, but You remain; And they all will wear out like a garment, And like a robe You will roll them up; Like a garment they will also be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end.”
Hebrews 1:8‭-‬12 NASB2020

Here the author of Hebrews is quoting two Psalms, first Psalm 45 and then Psalm 102, and saying that they are talking about the Son (Jesus). Of course you have Psalm 45 talking about God, thus Hebrews already identifies Jesus as God. But let's go a little further. How does Psalm 102 start?

Hear my prayer, Lord! And let my cry for help come to You.
Psalms 102:1 NASB2020

"Lord" there is the Divine Name, the Tetragrammaton, Yahweh. The name of God. Psalm 102 is a prayer addressed to Yahweh, and the author of Hebrews says it speaks of the Son, who is Jesus. They are the same.

There ya go, @ATP. Clear teaching from the New Testament showing that Jesus is Yahweh. No church tradition and authority needed.

 

[Stargazer]

1.Everything - becouse Jesus never said,that HE IS GOD.So,he could not be GOD OF OT,TOO.
2.Indeed.But Worlds of Jesus are more important - and Apostles never named him as God,tor that Trinity exist.
So,you take from NT what in your opinion it imply,but not what Jesus said.
And First you deny Catholic Church ,and then use their dogma,like Jesus being God or existence of Trinity.

Decide what to do - either deny Catholic Tradition,but in that case you do not find in NT place when Jesus said that he is God,or any Apostle teaching that-
Or belive that Jesus id God,but then you must take Catholic Tradition,too..

It is question of logic,not Faith.But - Luder said that Reason is whore,so i undarstandt why you do not use it here.

1. That's an argument from silence, it doesn't mean he can't be the God of the OT. The New Testament can teach that Jesus is God without Jesus directly saying so. And it's still not true, anyways. He did make statements identifying himself as God.

2. False.

Paul referred to Jesus as God:

"11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people, 12 instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously, and in a godly manner in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, 14 who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, eager for good deeds." - Titus 2:11-14, NASB

And so did Peter:

"Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ" - 2 Peter 1:1, NASB

I don't need any Catholic tradition to know that Jesus is God. Just the writings of the New Testament. Right there. ^^^ And also the texts I quoted in my first post in the thread, which you have just ignored.

You are wrong, you continue to spout misinformation. Please, explain how Peter and Paul could refer to Jesus as "our God and Savior" but never actually named him as God. You are practically denying Scriptural teaching at this point.

 

[Stargazer]

Not that it's going to get through ATP's thick skull. But I just want to dispel any notion that his claims are representative even of Catholic tradition.

This is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about Scripture:

105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."69

"For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself."70

106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. "To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more."71

107 The inspired books teach the truth. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures."72

Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText (vatican.va)

God acted through the authors of the Scriptures so they would write what he wanted. The books of Scripture teach truth from God without error. And that includes the whole canon of the Old and New Testaments.

Oh, and what's this?...

IV. Lord

446 In the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the ineffable Hebrew name YHWH, by which God revealed himself to Moses,59 is rendered as Kyrios, "Lord". From then on, "Lord" becomes the more usual name by which to indicate the divinity of Israel's God. the New Testament uses this full sense of the title "Lord" both for the Father and - what is new - for Jesus, who is thereby recognized as God Himself.60

447 Jesus ascribes this title to himself in a veiled way when he disputes with the Pharisees about the meaning of Psalm 110, but also in an explicit way when he addresses his apostles.61 Throughout his public life, he demonstrated his divine sovereignty by works of power over nature, illnesses, demons, death and sin.

Well would you look at that. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says exactly what we've been saying, that the name "YHWH" or "Yahweh" is expressed as the title "Kyrios" or "Lord" in the New Testament, and the title is used in the full sense for both the Father AND for Jesus, and that is thereby how Jesus is recognized as God.

Also, contrary to how @ATP keeps repeating "Jesus never said he is God", the Catechism of the Catholic Church states that Jesus explicitly ascribed the title to himself when addressing his apostles. And it cites verses from the New Testament to that point.

So, @ATP . Is the Catechism of the Catholic Church wrong to state all these things?