United States Discussions on Hollow Rhetoric

[History Learner]

Great, what would you have us do then, as merely bitching on the internet is not to your taste. Surely a threat as serious as a shooting pit needs serious thought. What would you recommend?

Collectivize, form bonds, network with other like minded individuals. I don't mean send each other Anti-Biden memes on a forum, but in person organizing. If there isn't an organization available to you, exercise the decisive action to lay the ground work for one yourself or seek to form a local splinter group of another you trust.

Protests and the like have very little effect on their own, but networking via them is what is critical and has effects. One thing I've really been diving into is reading about dissent in the East Bloc in the Cold War, as that gives great inspiration; Havel's story about the Grocer in Communist Czechoslovakia is a good one for political dissidents to read. Overall, you do need to get into the mindset of being a dissident because that is what you are. At best, the system wants you wasting your energies online instead of doing actual organizing because that actually has an impact as you gather a critical mass. At worst, this public discord marks you/us as a target.

 

[Wargamer08]

Collectivize, form bonds, network with other like minded individuals. I don't mean send each other Anti-Biden memes on a forum, but in person organizing. If there isn't an organization available to you, exercise the decisive action to lay the ground work for one yourself or seek to form a local splinter group of another you trust.

Protests and the like have very little effect on their own, but networking via them is what is critical and has effects. One thing I've really been diving into is reading about dissent in the East Bloc in the Cold War, as that gives great inspiration; Havel's story about the Grocer in Communist Czechoslovakia is a good one for political dissidents to read. Overall, you do need to get into the mindset of being a dissident because that is what you are. At best, the system wants you wasting your energies online instead of doing actual organizing because that actually has an impact as you gather a critical mass. At worst, this public discord marks you/us as a target.

My man I’m shitposting at the tail end of a shift. You need to take your advice to a different thread and not literally use the same rhetorical lead-ins as glowies. Though the idea that they are going to pull off a mass round up of internet wrong thinkers as some sort of first strike is amusing.

 

[History Learner]

My man I’m shitposting at the tail end of a shift. You need to take your advice to a different thread and not literally use the same rhetorical lead-ins as glowies. Though the idea that they are going to pull off a mass round up of internet wrong thinkers as some sort of first strike is amusing.

I think we've already established it was a case of you misreading rather than me saying anything glowie. And yes, I get it, we can't all be serious all the time nor do I suggest it but you did ask me what we should be doing in general terms. As I also said, I think you need to view these internet discussions as a pressure valve rather than then using it as a "first strike"; again, you need to read before engaging in a knee jerk response. They would rather you waste all of your political energies here or in the various mazes they've created for people (There's a reason people like Ben Shapiro haven't been deplatformed) because when you're doing that all the time, you're not actually hurting the system.

In the long run, yes, there is the danger of them using your online presence against you. You think Cancel Culture is bad, wait until it's no longer social ostracization but using those memes you posted a few years ago to dunk on Biden as an excuse to throw you in prison for "domestic terrorism". I'm not even fucking joking, you really do need to be paying attention to the shit they've been pulling on people since January 6th.

 

[Wargamer08]

I think we've already established it was a case of you misreading rather than me saying anything glowie. And yes, I get it, we can't all be serious all the time nor do I suggest it but you did ask me what we should be doing in general terms. As I also said, I think you need to view these internet discussions as a pressure valve rather than then using it as a "first strike"; again, you need to read before engaging in a knee jerk response. They would rather you waste all of your political energies here or in the various mazes they've created for people (There's a reason people like Ben Shapiro haven't been deplatformed) because when you're doing that all the time, you're not actually hurting the system.

In the long run, yes, there is the danger of them using your online presence against you. You think Cancel Culture is bad, wait until it's no longer social ostracization but using those memes you posted a few years ago to dunk on Biden as an excuse to throw you in prison for "domestic terrorism". I'm not even fucking joking, you really do need to be paying attention to the shit they've been pulling on people since January 6th.

Look the lead in is simple. “Hello fellows, I see you’re talking about X. I too think X is an issue. In fact X could threaten our lives and freedoms, it is the most serious issue of all. Us chums should consider every option to resist X including Y illegal thing. What say you friend? What wire, this is merely a waist necklace dear pals.”

You seeing where your rhetorical lead ins overlap? You’ve got it almost pitch perfect. Complete with a overwrought doomer finish.

 

[Zachowon]

What I'd a shooting pit?
And what does it have to do with the Democrats always being racist?

 

[Bassoe]

So, to recap this thread:

Argument #1. "The democrats are the Real Racists™" is an ineffective slogan insofar as it probably won't convince anyone. If someone was going to vote based solely upon accusations of racism, they probably already were a democrat.

Argument #2. Fleeing or refusing to join institutions because they're infested with wokeists leads to the wokeists taking over said institutions and inevitably weaponizing them against their opponents. This has been consistently demonstrated in all previously observed examples, media, publishing, higher education, etc, and therefore, the implications of the wokeists trying to take over militaries and intelligence agencies as they are currently attempting to do are disturbing. However, on the other hand, this may be an entirely deliberate trap meant to acquire large amounts of cannon fodder. I can just picture the new recruitment propaganda now, "if the military is full of wokeists, they'll be nobody who'll disobey orders to send you to a gulag and establish a communist dictatorship" and "if the military is full of alt-rightists, they'll be nobody who'll disobey orders to send you to a concentration camp and establish a fascist dictatorship", distributed based off voting demographics. Followed by a meatgrinder invasion of Iran or defense of Taiwan.

Argument #3. Anyone advocating for doing anything besides complaining on the internet is an intelligence operative attempting to entrap people into committing domestic terrorism. This is a very effective argument, especially given that considering just how much effort the various intelligence agencies put into it, it's very likely true and even if it isn't in any specific case, the effect is the same since nobody is willing to take the risk. Incidentally, if anyone here actually is a glowie, would you mind PMing me about how you got the job? It seems easy, well-paying insofar as successful totalitarian regimes always try to keep their secret police and soldiers happy with them in charge so that they may remain in charge and, as the economic collapse continues to grow and radicalize more people, the only remaining growth industry.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

So, to recap this thread:

Argument #1. "The democrats are the Real Racists™" is an ineffective slogan insofar as it probably won't convince anyone. If someone was going to vote based solely upon accusations of racism, they probably already were a democrat.

Argument #2. Fleeing or refusing to join institutions because they're infested with wokeists leads to the wokeists taking over said institutions and inevitably weaponizing them against their opponents. This has been consistently demonstrated in all previously observed examples, media, publishing, higher education, etc, and therefore, the implications of the wokeists trying to take over militaries and intelligence agencies as they are currently attempting to do are disturbing. However, on the other hand, this may be an entirely deliberate trap meant to acquire large amounts of cannon fodder. I can just picture the new recruitment propaganda now, "if the military is full of wokeists, they'll be nobody who'll disobey orders to send you to a gulag and establish a communist dictatorship" and "if the military is full of alt-rightists, they'll be nobody who'll disobey orders to send you to a concentration camp and establish a fascist dictatorship", distributed based off voting demographics. Followed by a meatgrinder invasion of Iran or defense of Taiwan.

Argument #3. Anyone advocating for doing anything besides complaining on the internet is an intelligence operative attempting to entrap people into committing domestic terrorism. This is a very effective argument, especially given that considering just how much effort the various intelligence agencies put into it, it's very likely true and even if it isn't in any specific case, the effect is the same since nobody is willing to take the risk. Incidentally, if anyone here actually is a glowie, would you mind PMing me about how you got the job? It seems easy, well-paying insofar as successful totalitarian regimes always try to keep their secret police and soldiers happy with them in charge so that they may remain in charge and, as the economic collapse continues to grow and radicalize more people, the only remaining growth industry.

We can always just wait and see what happens, try real hard not to notice the writing on the wall.

 

[Abhishekm]

My take on all this is 'So History Learner confirmed glowie now?'. 🤭

 

[Bacle]

My take on all this is 'So History Learner confirmed glowie now?'. 🤭

No, he's a tankie who wants the glowies to get rid of his opposition.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

My take on all this is 'So History Learner confirmed glowie now?'. 🤭

No, he's a tankie who wants the glowies to get rid of his opposition.

His allegiance and intent matter less than whether his words are true or not. Given the long string of defeats American Christians and patriots have suffered over the last half-century we really ought to be looking hard at our tactics, and at whether we are really doing enough, or merely enough to feel good about ourselves, to tell ourselves we have done something.

All the "lets go brandon" stuff for example looks like a bunch of virtue signaling and cope, particularly when it's posted on leftist platforms generating content for them and providing them with intelligence on their enemies.

 

[LordsFire]

His allegiance and intent matter less than whether his words are true or not. Given the long string of defeats American Christians and patriots have suffered over the last half-century we really ought to be looking hard at our tactics, and at whether we are really doing enough, or merely enough to feel good about ourselves, to tell ourselves we have done something.

The reason American Christians have suffered so many defeats, is because this is no longer a Christian nation. The majority of the people, and the overwhelming majority of the cultural and ruling elite, have forsaken God.

The only way that American Christians will see a a reversal of cultural defeats, is through demonstrating the Love of Christ, and winning over the lost. Some tactical maneuverings with politics may help things here and there, but the only way to see a change in the greater tide is for this to become a Christian nation again.

 

[Captain X]

 

[Bacle]

The reason American Christians have suffered so many defeats, is because this is no longer a Christian nation. The majority of the people, and the overwhelming majority of the cultural and ruling elite, have forsaken God.

The only way that American Christians will see a a reversal of cultural defeats, is through demonstrating the Love of Christ, and winning over the lost. Some tactical maneuverings with politics may help things here and there, but the only way to see a change in the greater tide is for this to become a Christian nation again.

This is a pluralistic nation of many faiths.

Thinking that the only way to 'fix' America is to make it 'Christian' again shows the reason the Right has lost so much ground.

Stop trying to recreate a false image of the past, and deal with the nation as it is, not as you wish it to be.

Accept other faiths are just as legit as yours under American law and culture, and understand that we are a secular nation first and foremost.

 

[LordsFire]

This is a pluralistic nation of many faiths.

Thinking that the only way to 'fix' America is to make it 'Christian' again shows the reason the Right has lost so much ground.

Stop trying to recreate a false image of the past, and deal with the nation as it is, not as you wish it to be.

Accept other faiths are just as legit as yours under American law and culture, and understand that we are a secular nation first and foremost.

These 'many faiths' have fundamentally conflicting views on what reality is, what human nature is, what is and is not moral, and what good government looks like. Most fundamentally of all, these different ideologies don't even agree on what Truth means.

People who think that pedophilia is a preference, not a sin, cannot share power with those who think it is one of the most disgusting sins out there.

The only way you can have a 'pluralist' society, is when there is one dominant culture which is tolerant of the less dominant cultures. Christianity can be such a culture, but as the left is currently demonstrating, post-modernism can not.

In the end, one worldview will win the struggle for dominance in the institutions of power, then use those institutions to promulgate what it believes is right. In the US, the only real contenders for that position are Christianity, or post-modernist totalitarianism.

Unfortunately for many European nations, they also have to struggle with Islam as a rising third party to that conflict.

 

[Bacle]

These 'many faiths' have fundamentally conflicting views on what reality is, what human nature is, what is and is not moral, and what good government looks like. Most fundamentally of all, these different ideologies don't even agree on what Truth means.

People who think that pedophilia is a preference, not a sin, cannot share power with those who think it is one of the most disgusting sins out there.

The only way you can have a 'pluralist' society, is when there is one dominant culture which is tolerant of the less dominant cultures. Christianity can be such a culture, but as the left is currently demonstrating, post-modernism can not.

In the end, one worldview will win the struggle for dominance in the institutions of power, then use those institutions to promulgate what it believes is right. In the US, the only real contenders for that position are Christianity, or post-modernist totalitarianism.

Unfortunately for many European nations, they also have to struggle with Islam as a rising third party to that conflict.

You seem to have forgot libertarianism exists.

There are more than two choices for the future of the US.

 

[Abhishekm]

You seem to have forgot libertarianism exists.

As a guy who agrees with most of libertarianism it still is kinda a joke practically. That's just the truth of it to be honest.

Now a constitutional culture COULD be a over arching common set of values apart from religion sure. Definetly healthier. The being of course convincing the masses to hold to some standards as opposed to just play act for more gibs.

 

[Bacle]

As a guy who agrees with most of libertarianism it still is kinda a joke practically. That's just the truth of bit to be honest.

Now a constitutional culture COULD be a over arching common set of values apart from religion sure. Definetly healthier. The being of course convincing the masses to hold to some standards as opposed to just play act for more gibs.

Constitutional libertarianism is the best mix for preserving our rights and freedoms against the radicals on both ends of the political horseshoe, while not devolving to complete anarchy or totalitarianism.

 

[Abhishekm]

Constitutional libertarianism is the best mix for preserving our rights and freedoms against the radicals on both ends of the political horseshoe, while not devolving to complete anarchy or totalitarianism.

Ideally yes. Practically between everything I've seen in the US and India I'm of the inclination it would just be stupendous easier to let the idiots play out their hedonisms (and I am counting self satisfying ideology and virtue signaling as a form of pleasure for these people) to their inevitable conclusions.

Even my own statement can be whined about as being just hollow rhetoric. Which is about what is deserved by the topic and the people it applies to.

 

[Abhishekm]

After all you are the sum of your actions and all that and there is nothing worse you can really do to these hollow shells of people and ideas than just let them be and progress as they are.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

After all you are the sum of your actions and all that and there is nothing worse you can really do to these hollow shells of people and ideas than just let them be and progress as they are.

There is nothing worse we can do to the next generation, either. I guess as long as we're okay making them suffer so we can avoid paying a price today...