United States Democrats and Vote-rigging

CarlManvers2019

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I still maintain intentionally tempering with votes should result in an automatic death sentence if someone is convicted of said most heinous crime for threatening our Republic and allegations of such crimes must automatically be investigated. Oh and I still can't get the idea of why needing an ID is voter suppression when you need one for pretty much everything else that involves the government whatsoever in life.

Because they know they'll have a harder time getting illegals and foreigners to vote

And yeah, these guys are the same people going on about at least needing a license for guns(before taking them away)

Kinda off-topic, but notice how people on SB/SV/QQ/AH or even FFN consider the Superhuman Registration Act from Marvel to be FASCIST? These guys are usually all Lefties who think guns should be regulated or registered
 

Bear Ribs

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Oh and I still can't get the idea of why needing an ID is voter suppression when you need one for pretty much everything else that involves the government whatsoever in life.
Truth be told, it has very little to do with actual voting and everything to do with money.

Right now states issue IDs and as long as those IDs are not used to vote or exercise any rights, they can charge money for them (this is one reason it's constantly emphasized that driving is a privilege, not a right). However if your driver's license is used to vote, then charging a fee for issuing a driver's license means it's a tax on voting, a tax on exercising a constitutional right, and the Supreme Court has repeatedly shown a willingness to come down like the the fist of an angry god on anyone doing that. They would have to quit charging for state IDs and driver's licenses and that means tens of millions disappear from state budgets.

But, says you, why would a national voter ID cause that problem? The states could still charge for their licenses and all would be well. Theoretically this is true but in reality, we would start using that national voter ID for other ID purposes. We already use Social Security numbers for all sorts of IDing purposes that it shouldn't be simply because it's a national ID and convenient, despite not even being a photo ID. With a more secure, more valid ID, more and more ID purposes would be shifted to that ID and fewer people would require a (paid for!) state ID. Now driving would still require the state ID and in Republican states, that'd be fine. But New York? There's twice as many citizens as cars and probably less than a quarter drive regularly. They wouldn't need to pay money to the state for their ID anymore if a free national ID served for all their purposes except driving. Los Angeles? San Francisco? Not as car-free as New York but still easier to take the bus. The big cities would all lose fat stacks of cash because fewer people drive there.

Much of the gnashing of teeth about voter suppression is really a smokescreen for the real issue of national IDs: Making sure fees for driver's licenses continue to flow into the coffers of large cities.
 

Knowledgeispower

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Truth be told, it has very little to do with actual voting and everything to do with money.

Right now states issue IDs and as long as those IDs are not used to vote or exercise any rights, they can charge money for them (this is one reason it's constantly emphasized that driving is a privilege, not a right). However if your driver's license is used to vote, then charging a fee for issuing a driver's license means it's a tax on voting, a tax on exercising a constitutional right, and the Supreme Court has repeatedly shown a willingness to come down like the the fist of an angry god on anyone doing that. They would have to quit charging for state IDs and driver's licenses and that means tens of millions disappear from state budgets.

But, says you, why would a national voter ID cause that problem? The states could still charge for their licenses and all would be well. Theoretically this is true but in reality, we would start using that national voter ID for other ID purposes. We already use Social Security numbers for all sorts of IDing purposes that it shouldn't be simply because it's a national ID and convenient, despite not even being a photo ID. With a more secure, more valid ID, more and more ID purposes would be shifted to that ID and fewer people would require a (paid for!) state ID. Now driving would still require the state ID and in Republican states, that'd be fine. But New York? There's twice as many citizens as cars and probably less than a quarter drive regularly. They wouldn't need to pay money to the state for their ID anymore if a free national ID served for all their purposes except driving. Los Angeles? San Francisco? Not as car-free as New York but still easier to take the bus. The big cities would all lose fat stacks of cash because fewer people drive there.

Much of the gnashing of teeth about voter suppression is really a smokescreen for the real issue of national IDs: Making sure fees for driver's licenses continue to flow into the coffers of large cities.
And this is why we really need a major reform in how we do Drivers Licenses and other state IDs(via our old friend do said reforms or you don't get federal money for your highways just like how we got a national drinking age of 21) and a national ID system that isn't linked to the SSN.
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
Truth be told, it has very little to do with actual voting and everything to do with money.

Right now states issue IDs and as long as those IDs are not used to vote or exercise any rights, they can charge money for them (this is one reason it's constantly emphasized that driving is a privilege, not a right). However if your driver's license is used to vote, then charging a fee for issuing a driver's license means it's a tax on voting, a tax on exercising a constitutional right, and the Supreme Court has repeatedly shown a willingness to come down like the the fist of an angry god on anyone doing that. They would have to quit charging for state IDs and driver's licenses and that means tens of millions disappear from state budgets.

But, says you, why would a national voter ID cause that problem? The states could still charge for their licenses and all would be well. Theoretically this is true but in reality, we would start using that national voter ID for other ID purposes. We already use Social Security numbers for all sorts of IDing purposes that it shouldn't be simply because it's a national ID and convenient, despite not even being a photo ID. With a more secure, more valid ID, more and more ID purposes would be shifted to that ID and fewer people would require a (paid for!) state ID. Now driving would still require the state ID and in Republican states, that'd be fine. But New York? There's twice as many citizens as cars and probably less than a quarter drive regularly. They wouldn't need to pay money to the state for their ID anymore if a free national ID served for all their purposes except driving. Los Angeles? San Francisco? Not as car-free as New York but still easier to take the bus. The big cities would all lose fat stacks of cash because fewer people drive there.

Much of the gnashing of teeth about voter suppression is really a smokescreen for the real issue of national IDs: Making sure fees for driver's licenses continue to flow into the coffers of large cities.

It wouldn't be that hard for states to implement a free ID for voting purposes. If they want to avoid losing revenue for driver's licenses and the like, they can even make them relatively cheap 'temporary' IDs that are only issued in the month or few months leading up to an election.

I really do think it's more about vote fraud than income.
 

Shadepen97

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Why even bother? Why not just go and say illegal immigrants or extremely new ones or even foreigners should get to vote?

I think AOC or some other idiot proposed it
Didn't they do that in some southern counties in Florida back in 2017? I vaguely remember an MSNBC segment about it.
 

Bear Ribs

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It wouldn't be that hard for states to implement a free ID for voting purposes. If they want to avoid losing revenue for driver's licenses and the like, they can even make them relatively cheap 'temporary' IDs that are only issued in the month or few months leading up to an election.

I really do think it's more about vote fraud than income.
The thing is those cheap 'temporary' IDs would have to be free... so the state would be on the hook for paying for all associated costs thus costing the state fat stacks of cash, even for a relatively cheap ID issuing one to every citizen, especially if you have to handle the entire state in the space of a few months, is going to add up. Why do that when they could not do that and have more money in their hookers and blow budget?
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
The thing is those cheap 'temporary' IDs would have to be free... so the state would be on the hook for paying for all associated costs thus costing the state fat stacks of cash, even for a relatively cheap ID issuing one to every citizen, especially if you have to handle the entire state in the space of a few months, is going to add up. Why do that when they could not do that and have more money in their hookers and blow budget?

...Apparently I didn't word things clearly. Your Driver's License would serve, but for the small number of people who don't have a Driver's License (or Passport or similar), they would be able to get the special ID.

And frankly, I think that the number of people amongst that already-small percentage who would actually go out to get such a thing, is pretty small.
 

Bear Ribs

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...Apparently I didn't word things clearly. Your Driver's License would serve, but for the small number of people who don't have a Driver's License (or Passport or similar), they would be able to get the special ID.

And frankly, I think that the number of people amongst that already-small percentage who would actually go out to get such a thing, is pretty small.
That's already the system in most Republican states like Arizona, Texas, and Oklahoma, with "social security card" used in place of special ID. Adding an additional new special ID that has to be paid for by the state would do nothing but drain money from the Hookers and Blow account. Granted states like California require no ID at all but... California.
 

Abhorsen

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I still maintain intentionally tempering with votes should result in an automatic death sentence if someone is convicted of said most heinous crime for threatening our Republic and allegations of such crimes must automatically be investigated. Oh and I still can't get the idea of why needing an ID is voter suppression when you need one for pretty much everything else that involves the government whatsoever in life.
No. Ultimately, this will result in killing innocent people (because some innocent people will be convicted), and all so that politicians can pander to people about cracking down on crime. That isn't just.
 

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