Election 2020 Democrat Nightmare Scenario Trump Loses by 5+ Million and still wins

FriedCFour

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Except he can't convince any of those people.

Those people are the ones who hate him the most.
He doesn't have to do it himself. The democrat platform currently can be enough to do it because it has swung further to the left than it has ever been. Its getting to the point where a moderate democrat slightly to the right of Obama in 2008 is closer to the Republicans than they are the current average of the democrats.
 

S'task

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He's alienated minorities in their entirety
What polls have you been looking at?

In 2018 he was pulling a decent approval rating among Blacks and Hispanics, which is much higher than the votes he got from them in 2016.

This year? Recent polling has him at similar numbers with Hispanics showing nearly a 50% approval rating. These numbers are considered to be showing regular improvements over time.

I'm not sure he's alienated them as much as folks may think.
 

Comrade Clod

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What polls have you been looking at?

In 2018 he was pulling a decent approval rating among Blacks and Hispanics, which is much higher than the votes he got from them in 2016.

This year? Recent polling has him at similar numbers with Hispanics showing nearly a 50% approval rating. These numbers are considered to be showing regular improvements over time.

I'm not sure he's alienated them as much as folks may think.

Generally I see polls putting him at about 80% overall disaproval from Afro-american communiities, and something like 60% from hispanic communities. Given his, shall we say, reticent attitude about condeming white nationalism, it may well drop further.
 

FriedCFour

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Generally I see polls putting him at about 80% overall disaproval from Afro-american communiities, and something like 60% from hispanic communities. Given his, shall we say, reticent attitude about condeming white nationalism, it may well drop further.




Hes been pretty clear about condemning white nationalism. Much of the media just pretends he hasnt been.
 

Quickdraw101

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Generally I see polls putting him at about 80% overall disaproval from Afro-american communiities, and something like 60% from hispanic communities. Given his, shall we say, reticent attitude about condeming white nationalism, it may well drop further.
Hispanic community isn't a monolith. In Florida, the Cuban and Puerto Rican demographic votes mostly Republican, while California or New York will mostly vote Democrat.
 

Comrade Clod

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Hispanic community isn't a monolith. In Florida, the Cuban and Puerto Rican demographic votes mostly Republican, while California or New York will mostly vote Democrat.

Puerto Ricans WERE Republican leaning.

The Hurricane Maria's aftermath happened and boy howdy that changed fast.
 
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Puerto Ricans WERE Republican leaning.

The Hurricane Maria's aftermath happened and boy howdy that changed fast.

That is a profound oversimplification of Puerto Rican politics. Calling the pro-statehood party "pro Republican" is frankly silly. Both they and the nationalists have conservative and liberal elements. There simply isn't a direct comparison, and Puerto Rico has always been thought to lean left, otherwise it would probably already be a state.
 

Comrade Clod

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That is a profound oversimplification of Puerto Rican politics. Calling the pro-statehood party "pro Republican" is frankly silly. Both they and the nationalists have conservative and liberal elements. There simply isn't a direct comparison, and Puerto Rico has always been thought to lean left, otherwise it would probably already be a state.

I was reffering to the Puerto Rican community in the broader US (more specifically Miami and New York which have large populations)

Puerto Rico itself is another matter altogether. (I'd say they'd lean democrat if they became a state, but similar to African-Americans thats more because the Republicans can't keep their racists under control than any true idealogical similarity to the democratic party.)
 

Prince Ire

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I think the presidency has to be counter-majoritarian, simply because I think the natural tendency is for power to concentrate into the hands of one man.

We developed an imperial presidency because in a time of crisis, it is easier for one man to take action than it is for a committee. But there is always a crisis that needs a strong central figure to combat. First it was the Great War, then the Great Depression, then it was World War Two and the Cold War and then Islamic Terror. In the future, the crisis will be the Cartels or the Debt crisis. Power will continue to concentrate until all American politics are devoted to four-year cycles of struggle to take command of the Presidency, followed by campaigns to undermine the guy in the office until you can get your man in there.

Sounds like the America of today? What comes after is worse, I assure you.

I think that keeping the office of the presidency counter-majoritarian incentivizes people to devolve power back to the Congress, or at least puts the brakes on turning the presidency into an elected dictatorship.
If nothing else about the powers of the executive laid out in the US Constitution changed, but the US had a hereditary monarchy rather than an elected presidency, I have extreme doubts that the executive would be able to accrue power the way the presidency has, precisely because it is visibly unelected.
 

The Original Sixth

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Puerto Ricans WERE Republican leaning.

The Hurricane Maria's aftermath happened and boy howdy that changed fast.

Nah.

Even Jersey PRs knew the reason why their island got fucked so hard was because of a corrupt government who let their power network rot and basically stole as much relief aid as they could possibly shove into their warehouses.
 

Urabrask Revealed

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Nah.

Even Jersey PRs knew the reason why their island got fucked so hard was because of a corrupt government who let their power network rot and basically stole as much relief aid as they could possibly shove into their warehouses.
What did they do with the relief aid anyway, sold it off? I'm surprised the enraged population didn't storm the buildings, hung the corrupt bureaucrats from streetlights, and looted the warehouses.
 

The Original Sixth

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What did they do with the relief aid anyway, sold it off? I'm surprised the enraged population didn't storm the buildings, hung the corrupt bureaucrats from streetlights, and looted the warehouses.

I can't remember.

If I recall, the corrupt officials who did it are under investigation, last I checked. I think one of them was the bitch who went on live TV to accuse Trump of having done nothing to aid her people while she stole the aid he sent. I may be miss-remembering that part, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened.
 

Quickdraw101

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What did they do with the relief aid anyway, sold it off? I'm surprised the enraged population didn't storm the buildings, hung the corrupt bureaucrats from streetlights, and looted the warehouses.
The water bottles that were supposed to be sent just sat in the same place and the PR governor didn't order them to be given to the people who needed them.
 

Urabrask Revealed

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I can't remember.

If I recall, the corrupt officials who did it are under investigation, last I checked. I think one of them was the bitch who went on live TV to accuse Trump of having done nothing to aid her people while she stole the aid he sent. I may be miss-remembering that part, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened.
I remember her, she did that while having loads of relief aid behind her.
 
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I was reffering to the Puerto Rican community in the broader US (more specifically Miami and New York which have large populations)

Puerto Rico itself is another matter altogether. (I'd say they'd lean democrat if they became a state, but similar to African-Americans thats more because the Republicans can't keep their racists under control than any true idealogical similarity to the democratic party.)

Are you suggesting they were really noticeably outside of the trend for Latin Americans in general, like Cubans were, until the Hurricane?
 

Comrade Clod

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Are you suggesting they were really noticeably outside of the trend for Latin Americans in general, like Cubans were, until the Hurricane?

I seem to recall reading stuff saying that mainland puerto-ricans were more split than other hispanics except cubans a while back yeah.
 

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