strunkenwhite
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TBH they'd at least have tribal sovereign rights to fall back on, unlike other native born people who would otherwise have been citizens.I dare you to go say that to the Navajo, Crow, or Inuit.
TBH they'd at least have tribal sovereign rights to fall back on, unlike other native born people who would otherwise have been citizens.I dare you to go say that to the Navajo, Crow, or Inuit.
I am not OK with making someone born in the US or to a US citizen prove that they're American by taking tests.I'm OK dumping that completely, and require that EVERY ONE, to include those with American Citizens as parents, have to apply for citizenship. Those born here to Citizens are allowed to apply w/no requirements except passing the exams, unlike foreigners applying for US Citizenship.
I'm not talking about IQ tests or nonsense like that. I'm talking about the Citizenship test that are given so a potential Citizen can prove they understand how our Constitutional Republic is supposed to work. Then, once passed, you swear an Oath like every other wannabe Citizen to the United States. It's not complicated, it's not difficult, but it establishes a basic requirement above and beyond getting squeezed out a vaginal canal while on our soil or what have you.As far as I'm concerned ... if you were born in the US or have an American parent you're an American.
You're also promoting something along the lines of a poll tax, which the 24th Amendment to the US Constitution flat out prohibits.I'm not talking about IQ tests or nonsense like that. I'm talking about the Citizenship test that are given so a potential Citizen can prove they understand how our Constitutional Republic is supposed to work. Then, once passed, you swear an Oath like every other wannabe Citizen to the United States. It's not complicated, it's not difficult, but it establishes a basic requirement above and beyond getting squeezed out a vaginal canal while on our soil or what have you.
Do you think you could pass that test?I'm not talking about IQ tests or nonsense like that. I'm talking about the Citizenship test that are given so a potential Citizen can prove they understand how our Constitutional Republic is supposed to work. Then, once passed, you swear an Oath like every other wannabe Citizen to the United States. It's not complicated, it's not difficult, but it establishes a basic requirement above and beyond getting squeezed out a vaginal canal while on our soil or what have you.
A poll tax and an eligibility test are two very different concepts. You could maybe argue to the court that if you have to pay to take the test, that's actually a hidden poll tax. But if that's not the case, then no taxation is involved, and the 24th Amendment doesn't apply.You're also promoting something along the lines of a poll tax, which the 24th Amendment to the US Constitution flat out prohibits.
The test itself is a poll tax.A poll tax and an eligibility test are two very different concepts. You could maybe argue to the court that if you have to pay to take the test, that's actually a hidden poll tax. But if that's not the case, then no taxation is involved, and the 24th Amendment doesn't apply.
You apparently don't know what a poll tax is. It's a literal tax that you have to pay in order to be allowed to vote.The test itself is a poll tax.
No American should ever be required to provide ID beyond what's required for them to say "yup, I'm 'so-and-so'".
The last time a cop asked me for ID I didn't have my wallet. I told him my name and that's all he needed.You apparently don't know what a poll tax is. It's a literal tax that you have to pay in order to be allowed to vote.
Alternative prerequisites to the right to vote, such as providing identification, taking a test, having a certificate of mental health, proving that you have no criminal record (etc. etc.), are not a poll tax.
Whether they're desirable is another debate, but you're conflating two different legal concepts here.
Fascinating. Doesn't have anything to do with what we're actually discussing.The last time a cop asked me for ID I didn't have my wallet. I told him my name and that's all he needed.
The test itself is a poll tax.
Yes.Do you think you could pass that test?
I had to look up one answer for a practice test: 2008 Civics Practice Test | USCIS
The one I had to look up was asking about the Federalist Papers.
It's only difficult because you didn't need to learn about those things to pass the test in the first place. Even a highly-educated medieval monk would flunk the tests to get their learner's permit/license horribly yet nearly all Americans pass with flying colors even if they have a fairly lackluster education.Do you think you could pass that test?
I had to look up one answer for a practice test: 2008 Civics Practice Test | USCIS
The one I had to look up was asking about the Federalist Papers.
See, I don't like illegal immigration, but this leads to far worse problems: a) now it's harder to prove citizenship, and b) (far worse) the creation of a permanent underclass of illegal non-citizens in the US that grows over time. That doesn't lead to good places.Honestly the only change I would make for birthright citizenship is that at least one parent needs to be an American citizen or legal resident themselves at the time of birth.
Kick out the illegal aliens and you don't have an underclass. Simple.See, I don't like illegal immigration, but this leads to far worse problems: a) now it's harder to prove citizenship, and b) (far worse) the creation of a permanent underclass of illegal non-citizens in the US that grows over time. That doesn't lead to good places.
"Arrest the bootleggers and there won't be alcohol, simple."Kick out the illegal aliens and you don't have an underclass. Simple.
Of course, the incentive for cheap, under-the-table labor is just too good for the ruling elite to fix.
Making it unpleasant to be here illegally is the point. The systemic bias against illegal aliens is the point."Arrest the bootleggers and there won't be alcohol, simple."
"Arrest the drug dealers and there won't be drugs, simple."
And I could go on.
It's not just too good for the elite to fix, it's too good for anyone to fix, even if they wanted too.
Yes, I am generally in favor of stronger border controls at least until we get rid of the welfare state, because we can reduce the prevalence of it. But that's all we are capable of, is reducing the prevalence. And even a reduced population will lead to problems with an underclass that will last generations. That's just begging for long term systemic problems.