Critical Race Theory In Schools

Abhorsen

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The thing is, unlike terrorist networks or intel agencies, with training, experienced leaders and so on, most pedos are not cold, rational, competent operators. You don't need perfect secrecy, just good enough will go a long way.
Also many countries have an institution of anonymous police tips, and those are, well, anonymous. Anyone could leave one. Anyone...

After all, we all know of terror watchlists. But did they get terrorists on them to competently lay low?
.... You aren't addressing my problems. You are setting up a secret watchlist, that can't stay secret. It's a waste of time that accomplishes nothing.

You can do what the US does, and psychiatrists are mandatory reporters. You can do what other countries do and make it so that they only report crimes that have happened/are about to happen.

Your attempted middle way isn't one. It's just the current US method with bad results for everyone else as the police try to get more secretive.
 

ProfessorCurio

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Does anyone have any more palatable solutions or compromises?

Does this matter deserve a separate thread?
Would a separate thread actually be productive and have as active a conversation?

I suggest that institutions ought to by legal obligation be structured so that no institutions which handle children ever leave any authority figure alone with a child and that those individuals grouped together must be individuals that do not fully trust eachother.
In order to insure that subversion is kept minimal there must also be some manner of policy in any such given institution that protects against bribery, entrapment, and blackmail in order to keep pedophiles from entangling otherwise innocent individuals in their schemes,
it is no use having folks watch eachother if any of them is able to force the others to overlook their degeneracy.

The more pedophiles are limited in ability to influence children or caught in their degenerate acts and locked away to have more limited influence over society in general, the easier we may continue to protect the underage and underdeveloped among us.
 

BlackDragon98

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Police should take a page from intelligence tactics to have the cake and eat it too.
Have them be mandatory reporters, but bury that in obscure regulation, and don't arrest reported people as a rule. Instead, covertly investigate them. Of course go with an arrest if it turns out the pedophile is suspiciously drawn to some child related profession and further investigation shows offenses, but if nothing turns up, just keep an eye on them, that's it.

The big question is, does banning it help limit number/stealth/activity of pedophiles in any meaningful war? I think many asked that question but no one got a conclusive answer, with the experience of USA and Japan leaning towards no. And if that's a no, then its just unnecessary busywork for taxpayer funded institutions.
It could also combine effectively with the above idea, with letting such borderline material stay in darker corners of the internet, but at the same time use these same corners for law enforcement to pick good candidates for further investigation who more likely than not will eagerly congregate in these corners even more than now.
Ministry of Love . . . Is that you?

When we end up living in 1984, it will be because of people like you.

Innocent until proven guilty.

But once they reach out with their slimy little fingers and start groping, then we hit them with the death penalty.
 

Marduk

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Ministry of Love . . . Is that you?

When we end up living in 1984, it will be because of people like you.

Innocent until proven guilty.

But once they reach out with their slimy little fingers and start groping, then we hit them with the death penalty.
>when
Stop the high school theatrics and read what did i write.
The Rubicon was crossed after 2001. You live in that world since a long time.
 

WolfBear

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The more pedophiles are limited in ability to influence children or caught in their degenerate acts and locked away to have more limited influence over society in general, the easier we may continue to protect the underage and underdeveloped among us.

Give them child sex dolls, child sex robots, cartoon/animated child porn, and anything that involves adults with a childlike appearance. That should keep the moral ones among them away from real children. The immoral ones among them should be locked up and/or forcibly institutionalized.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Give them child sex dolls, child sex robots, cartoon/animated child porn, and anything that involves adults with a childlike appearance. That should keep the moral ones among them away from real children. The immoral ones among them should be locked up and/or forcibly institutionalized.

Or society can just medically castrate every single person who admits to being a "MAP."
 

WolfBear

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Or society can just medically castrate every single person who admits to being a "MAP."

That would be a Nazi proposal. Only the ones who are still hungry for actual children after being offered things such as child sex dolls should actually get castrated--and not necessarily chemically, but possibly physically instead. MAPs who are capable of being permanently satisfied with child sex dolls and the like should NOT be compelled to get surgically castrated since to do so would be just as cruel as some extremely homophobic country compelling gay people to get surgically castrated.
 

hyperspacewizard

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Or society can just medically castrate every single person who admits to being a "MAP."
How about we don’t give the government that kind of power ever no matter the crime. That is super ripe for abuse there’s a reason why cruel and unusual standard is a thing. Look people who abuse children are horrible but lock them up doing permanent damage to a criminal like that is why I’m against the death penalty as well what if later evidence comes out to show the person didn’t actually do the crime you did something permanent over a mistake it’s better to just lock them up. Better the guilty get mercy than the innocent face permanent consequences.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Who said anything about government?

No but seriously the only reason I'm against expanding the death penalty to cover drug dealers, pimps, prostitutes, racketeers, people who commit breaking and entering while a homeowner is on the property and pedophilia, rape and false accusations of rape, pedophilia and murder?

Is the fact that the average public servant has room temperature IQ. I don't trust people too stupid to work in the private sector with the power of life and death.

But if we lived in a world where government employees were far more intelligent I'd be in favor of returning our criminal justice system to "deterrence in the loudest way possible."

So yeah I'm not very sympathetic to arguments against castrating pedos, beyond the pragmatic "let's not give imbeciles" that power.
 

hyperspacewizard

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Who said anything about government?

No but seriously the only reason I'm against expanding the death penalty to cover drug dealers, pimps, prostitutes, racketeers, people who commit breaking and entering while a homeowner is on the property and pedophilia, rape and false accusations of rape, pedophilia and murder?

Is the fact that the average public servant has room temperature IQ. I don't trust people too stupid to work in the private sector with the power of life and death.

But if we lived in a world where government employees were far more intelligent I'd be in favor of returning our criminal justice system to "deterrence in the loudest way possible."

So yeah I'm not very sympathetic to arguments against castrating pedos, beyond the pragmatic "let's not give imbeciles" that power.
It’s not just stupid people though it’s immoral people just being intelligent doesn’t make you more moral you can just lie to yourself better. Look I feel there has to be a separation between criminal punishment once caught vs in the act. Like a homeowner defending themselves or a rape victim killing their attacker is one thing but once caught and tried being placed in a cell for however long is decided on is to me one of the few moral ways to handle the criminal. Faulty Evidence, biases and a host of factors could lead to innocent lives being destroyed so it’s better to keep Pandora’s box closed but also I think even in the case that they are guilty they should have the chance to atone or seek absolution. Having mercy and compassion can go to far I mean look at these DAs that won’t even take people to court but I feel you’ve gone to far in the other direction. There’s needs to be a balance and I think morally it should be tilted toward mercy.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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It’s not just stupid people though it’s immoral people just being intelligent doesn’t make you more moral.

You misunderstood me then...Non idiots would presumably handle evidence based criminal procedures better than the idiots we have today. Ergo, condemning these degenerates in the manner in which I was talking about would be less open to error than it is now.

I'd be far less reticent to just see criminal executed if our criminal justice system so damn incompetent. I don't see it as a morality issue, because I believe actions taken by certain people can be heinous enough to warrant the forfeiture of their life should the proof of their guilt be incontrovertible.
 

hyperspacewizard

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You misunderstood me then...Non idiots would presumably handle evidence based criminal procedures better than the idiots we have today. Ergo, condemning these degenerates in the manner in which I was talking about would be less open to error than it is now.

I'd be far less reticent to just see criminal executed if our criminal justice system so damn incompetent. I don't see it as a morality issue, because I believe actions taken by certain people can be heinous enough to warrant the forfeiture of their life should the proof of their guilt be incontrovertible.
I understand where your coming from but I don’t think we as humans will every have the certainty or moral fortitude for that kind of judgments. I also think mercy in moderation is good giving people a chance for redemption is something we should at least try. Look I try to make an argument that’s outside metaphysics/religious and more game theory if the all the crimes you suggested had the death penalty what reason would anyone have to surrender to ever go to court to ever try to change they would only be able to go out as violently as possible. Which would hurt more innocents then having less severe punishments and a path to redemption.
 

DarthOne

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Louisiana’s Department of Education Shifts From CRT to American Exceptionalism

Louisiana public schools are closing the door to woke ideologies in social studies curricula and turning instead to American exceptionalism.

“If you look throughout the course of American history, you see that we have always been on a quest for freedom, whether it was the signers of the Declaration of Independence or the abolishment of slavery,” Louisiana Superintendent of Education Cade Brumley told The Epoch Times.

Brumley oversaw the process that led to the adoption of the Louisiana Department of Education’s new social studies standards, which were approved by the Louisiana State Board of Elementary and Secondary Education in March 2022 and will go into effect in 2023.

Though content standards are supposed to be revised every seven years, Brumley said they hadn’t been changed since 2011.

“That’s something I wanted to take on because, frankly, the children deserve better,” he said.

The current standards made it difficult for students to look at history chronologically, Brumley said, with fourth graders learning about the American Revolution, then not studying the French Revolution until late in the fifth grade.

Because of this, better sequencing of content became one of the goals for the new standards, as well as the incorporation of multiple historical perspectives that told “the whole story,” he said.

Accessibility for the public was also a top priority, Brumley said.

“We recognized how politically combustible these conversations are in our society, and we wanted to get it right for every American,” Brumley said.

This began a year-long process involving community members, parents, and students workshopping draft standards, the first set of which were produced by a steering committee.

“It initially began with a couple of different workgroups that wrote a set of draft standards independent from the department, and we just facilitated the process,” Brumley said.

That draft received “overwhelmingly negative” criticism, one of the reasons being the incorporation of critical race theory (CRT), which Brumley had said he would not allow in the K–12 school system.

Based on the feedback taken from public comments, the drafts were revised into something called the Freedom Framework.

“We have the quest for freedom embedded in the American story throughout the course of our history, and for me, instead of approaching a set of standards through other ideologies, we felt like the sweet spot for us was the Freedom Framework, because that sets the tone for the greatness of our country,” Brumley said.

That greatness includes recognizing where there has been the need to eradicate barbaric institutions like slavery and racist policies, he said.

Proponents of teaching CRT in schools have said CRT teaches “real, black history,” and that the removal of CRT from schools is as an attempt to “whitewash” history.

However, Brumley said the entirety of America’s history will be taught, including its mistakes.

“We did not shy away from some of the most challenging points in American history,” he said. “In fact, we went above and beyond to capture those moments in history when we needed to self-correct, but at the same time, we weren’t going to allow for any form of indoctrination to be a part of these standards,” he said.

Telling the whole story doesn’t just mean obsessing over the ugly chapters of American history, Brumley said, but instead examining its innate exceptionalism.

“That’s the beauty of a constitutional republic as opposed to other forms of government, because in order to form a more perfect union, over the course of time we’ve had to self-correct,” he said. “This is what our Founding Fathers intended.”
 

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