Computer Specs Discussion/Argument Thread

[Vyor]

It legitimately is not full of more content, certainly not enough on screen at once to warrant 32 damned gigs of memory.
That's...What? About 10 Crysis running at the same time?
It's just heavily, heavily unoptimized. And its only going to get worse as talent in the industry fades.
Be ready for 32 gigabyte CoD MW2 remasters!

4k, so shitloads more pixels than any game from 2005 was made for(which means textures and shadows will be higher res too, along with geometry). Then you have the raytracing stuff which is... extremely RAM sensitive and greedy.

Then you have much, much, much, muuuuch longer view distances, which means you have more AI loaded into RAM at once(and objects in general).

Crysis has very short view distances, helped by very aggressive culling and map geometry made to hide things, and was a linear game with loading screens: not an open world game without them.

Is Forespoken shit? Absolutely. Is it poorly optimized? Not really.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

4k, so shitloads more pixels than any game from 2005 was made for(which means textures and shadows will be higher res too, along with geometry). Then you have the raytracing stuff which is... extremely RAM sensitive and greedy.

Then you have much, much, much, muuuuch longer view distances, which means you have more AI loaded into RAM at once(and objects in general).

Crysis has very short view distances, helped by very aggressive culling and map geometry made to hide things, and was a linear game with loading screens: not an open world game without them.

Is Forespoken shit? Absolutely. Is it poorly optimized? Not really.

But the point of a game is to be fun to play, gameplay. XD So why all the bells and whistles if the bike itself hardly works?
See what I mean? Yeah sure games are prettier in many ways, but a pretty turd is still just a turd, no matter the paintjob.
We can, and will get 32 gigabyte games with less complexity than mid 2000's games, they already exist.

 

[Vyor]

But the point of a game is to be fun to play, gameplay. XD So why all the bells and whistles if the bike itself hardly works?
See what I mean? Yeah sure games are prettier in many ways, but a pretty turd is still just a turd, no matter the paintjob.
We can, and will get 32 gigabyte games with less complexity than mid 2000's games, they already exist.

you can, in fact, turn down those settings and not need that much ram.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

you can, in fact, turn down those settings and not need that much ram.

I have personally found that lowering settings with a lot of modern games do give you more frames, but nowhere near as much as lowering settings on older games with older hardware.
What games have you been enjoying lately Vyor! ;D

 

[bintananth]

4k, so shitloads more pixels than any game from 2005 was made for(which means textures and shadows will be higher res too, along with geometry). Then you have the raytracing stuff which is... extremely RAM sensitive and greedy.

Then you have much, much, much, muuuuch longer view distances, which means you have more AI loaded into RAM at once(and objects in general).

Crysis has very short view distances, helped by very aggressive culling and map geometry made to hide things, and was a linear game with loading screens: not an open world game without them.

Is Forespoken shit? Absolutely. Is it poorly optimized? Not really.

Most of those 4k graphics are wasted on Eyeball Mk.1.0

24bit RGB already provides 16 times more colors than the human eye can discern and the extra pixels won't be noticeable unless the display is very large and far away.

EDIT: As for frame rate? 10 frames per second is about where stills become movies.

 

[Vyor]

Most of those 4k graphics are wasted on Eyeball Mk.1.0

This is bullshit

EDIT: As for frame rate? 10 frames per second is about where stills become movies.

This is retarded.

 

[Allanon]

Vyor, you talk about tech specs.

Let's take a look, shall we? All game specs are from Steam.

These are the specs for "Undertale:"

• OS: Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, or 10
• Memory: 2 GB RAM
• Graphics: 128MB
• Storage: 200 MB available space

With a little help from SwiftShader 2.1 (graphics problems) it runs nicely enough on the 2002 XP Dell, Pentium 4 1.8GB MHz, 256MB RAM, 32MB Graphics. It does NOT run on the Sony although the Demo version (GameMaker 8) does.


Now, here they are for "Gemcraft: Chasing Shadows:"

• OS: Windows Vista SP1
• Processor: Intel Celeron N or better
• Memory: 2048 MB RAM
• Graphics: Intel HD Graphics or better
• Storage: 100 MB available space

It runs on the 2001 Sony. Nicely enough. It is XP Home Edition, an old Intel integrated chip, Pentium 3 800MHz processor, 256MB RAM, 1024h x 768v 16-Bit display.

You see my point here? If specs alone counted there is no way "Gemcraft" would EVER run on the Sony, but it does. With WINE 1.7.4 you can run it in Puppy Linux 5.2.5 Lucid mode! But unless "Undertale" is one day covered by SCUMMVM or someone cooks up a DOS version it will never run on that ancient laptop.

The problem is that games are often poorly considered, requiring far more power than they should.

 

[ParadiseLost]

4k, so shitloads more pixels than any game from 2005 was made for(which means textures and shadows will be higher res too, along with geometry). Then you have the raytracing stuff which is... extremely RAM sensitive and greedy.

Then you have much, much, much, muuuuch longer view distances, which means you have more AI loaded into RAM at once(and objects in general).

None of which necessarily results in a good looking game.

 

[Vyor]

Vyor, you talk about tech specs.

Let's take a look, shall we? All game specs are from Steam.

These are the specs for "Undertale:"

• OS: Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, or 10
• Memory: 2 GB RAM
• Graphics: 128MB
• Storage: 200 MB available space

With a little help from SwiftShader 2.1 (graphics problems) it runs nicely enough on the 2002 XP Dell, Pentium 4 1.8GB MHz, 256MB RAM, 32MB Graphics. It does NOT run on the Sony although the Demo version (GameMaker 8) does.


Now, here they are for "Gemcraft: Chasing Shadows:"

• OS: Windows Vista SP1
• Processor: Intel Celeron N or better
• Memory: 2048 MB RAM
• Graphics: Intel HD Graphics or better
• Storage: 100 MB available space

It runs on the 2001 Sony. Nicely enough. It is XP Home Edition, an old Intel integrated chip, Pentium 3 800MHz processor, 256MB RAM, 1024h x 768v 16-Bit display.

You see my point here? If specs alone counted there is no way "Gemcraft" would EVER run on the Sony, but it does. With WINE 1.7.4 you can run it in Puppy Linux 5.2.5 Lucid mode! But unless "Undertale" is one day covered by SCUMMVM or someone cooks up a DOS version it will never run on that ancient laptop.

The problem is that games are often poorly considered, requiring far more power than they should.

You are not a smart person. I think I'm just going to block you now.

None of which necessarily results in a good looking game.

Sure, but neither does having 3d at all, or even having anything but vertexes, but everything you add inherently increases computational complexity and thus requires more CPU and GPU grunt to run.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Not going to lie, the driver issues/random crap that happens due to AMD has pissed me off.
My 1660ti had absolutely zero issues aside from being as loud as a jet motor for some reason.
My 6650XT has issues running full screen videos with HDR on the internet, had to fiddle with settings on the browser to fix that. Then it STILL has weird issues where there's a 4 or so second delay before games/videos load when full screen.
100% fine when windowed, but full screen messes it up for apparently zero reason.
It works just fine when it works, but I have no idea how AMD fucks up their hardware this bad.

 

[ParadiseLost]

@Vyor @*THASF*

You're both (kinda) wrong. The secret is to buy prebuilts from EBay Hardware liquidators (or any overstock liquidator). If you know what you're doing you end up paying a fraction of the value of the PC.

I got my current PC for $1300:

i7-12700KF
RTX 3080
16 GB RAM
1 TB NVME SSD

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

@Vyor @*THASF*

You're both (kinda) wrong. The secret is to buy prebuilts from EBay Hardware liquidators (or any overstock liquidator). If you know what you're doing you end up paying a fraction of the value of the PC.

I got my current PC for $1300:

i7-12700KF
RTX 3080
16 GB RAM
1 TB NVME SSD

Explain this wizardry!

 

[Vyor]

Not going to lie, the driver issues/random crap that happens due to AMD has pissed me off.
My 1660ti had absolutely zero issues aside from being as loud as a jet motor for some reason.
My 6650XT has issues running full screen videos with HDR on the internet, had to fiddle with settings on the browser to fix that. Then it STILL has weird issues where there's a 4 or so second delay before games/videos load when full screen.
100% fine when windowed, but full screen messes it up for apparently zero reason.
It works just fine when it works, but I have no idea how AMD fucks up their hardware this bad.

Did you DDU the nvidia drivers?

@Vyor @*THASF*

You're both (kinda) wrong. The secret is to buy prebuilts from EBay Hardware liquidators (or any overstock liquidator). If you know what you're doing you end up paying a fraction of the value of the PC.

I got my current PC for $1300:

i7-12700KF
RTX 3080
16 GB RAM
1 TB NVME SSD

Sure, if you want to risk buying mining GPUs.

 

[ParadiseLost]

Sure, if you want to risk buying mining GPUs.

If you're at risk of that you're doing it (very) wrong.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Did you DDU the nvidia drivers?

I uninstalled them and stuff.

 

[Vyor]

I uninstalled them and stuff.

With DDU? Are you on the latest AMD drivers?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

With DDU? Are you on the latest AMD drivers?

Using the latest ones with the AMD software thingy yeah.

 

[Vyor]

Using the latest ones with the AMD software thingy yeah.

Odd. The reasons I was asking are that I haven't seen anyone else report such issues with RDNA2 and the latest drivers. I suspect it's a problem on the browser end.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Odd. The reasons I was asking are that I haven't seen anyone else report such issues with RDNA2 and the latest drivers. I suspect it's a problem on the browser end.

It has a weird 2-3 second delay with some fullscreen applications as well though, which isn't much of an issue but still not an issue Nvidia had.

 

[Vyor]

It has a weird 2-3 second delay with some fullscreen applications as well though, which isn't much of an issue but still not an issue Nvidia had.

Yeah that's not normal. Did you change your CPU as well?