Composite xenomorph/s run/s a gauntlet

[Scooby Doo]

None of that will stop the fact Atriox manhandled him like it was nothing. The Composite Xeno is just going to grab him and crush him like a tin can. Shields and power armor only help so much. :V

Imo Atriox would man handle most Xenomorphs too bro, dudes a tank.

I genuinely don't see any Xenomorph surviving more than a single hit from his Gravity Hammer unlike Chief.

Edit: Remember Chief took two hits with no serious injuries, Douglas literally lost consciousness and placed in med bay from one hit.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Imo Atriox would man handle most Xenomorphs too bro, dudes a tank.

I genuinely don't see any Xenomorph surviving more than a single hit from his Gravity Hammer unlike Chief.

Edit: Remember Chief took two hits with no serious injuries, Douglas literally lost consciousness and placed in med bay from one hit.

XD Its a damned Xenomorph the size of a main battle tank, with enhancements from over 50 comics, novels and media.
It can fly, spit acid, has a laser cannon embedded in it's head, throw facehuggers, become temporarily invulnerable, revive itself at least two ways, and lift anywhere from 30 to 100 tons. It can probably just FALL on top of him to death.

It can produce organic lumps that heal itself within a minute or two, regenerates naturally in multiple ways, gets stronger the more it fights, it can cut through basically anything short of hyper-exotic matter, has armor plating that resists/immune to RPG's because of various Queen bossfights in the franchise needing alternative ways of killing them, and it's actually FASTER than Chief at the same time.

Chief is as powerful as a strong Elite like Arbiter, they're good at mulching through rebels and infantry, they never go out of their way to armwrestle main battle tanks outside of gameplay mechanics. An elderly dying Brute gives him a hard time. XD

 

[Scooby Doo]

XD Its a damned Xenomorph the size of a main battle tank, with enhancements from over 50 comics, novels and media.
It can fly, spit acid, has a laser cannon embedded in it's head, throw facehuggers, become temporarily invulnerable, revive itself at least two ways, and lift anywhere from 30 to 100 tons. It can probably just FALL on top of him to death.

Chief's literally defeated all sorts of threats including Scarabs bro lol, funny thing is a Scarab is far more powerful and heavier than any Xenomorph and he's beaten it with skill.

Chief has literal Luck and solid stats and equipment bro.

It can produce organic lumps that heal itself within a minute or two, regenerates naturally in multiple ways, gets stronger the more it fights, it can cut through basically anything short of hyper-exotic matter, has armor plating that resists/immune to RPG's because of various Queen bossfights in the franchise needing alternative ways of killing them

I mean that's fine and all but tank enemies is something he kinda deals with all the time (Wraiths/Chieftains/Scarabs). Which fits in line with my original comment that it'd take him the equivalent of two or three levels to beat lol.

He's just too durable with his new armor for it to kill him.

, and it's actually FASTER than Chief at the same time.

How so?
He has 20 millisecond reaction time and thrusters/grappling hook too.

Chief is as powerful as a strong Elite like Arbiter, they're good at mulching through rebels and infantry, they never go out of their way to armwrestle main battle tanks outside of gameplay mechanics. An elderly dying Brute gives him a hard time. XD

1. The best Elites in the sending are capable of reacting to hyper sonic projectiles, I don't think it's helping your case lol

2. The punching tanks to death is actually canon not game mechanics, Spartan III's were said to have been doing this on Reach.

"Hand to Hand with a Wraith".

And an Elderly dying Brute didn't give Chief a hard time he literally came out unscathed from the fight lol.

Chief literally pitties the dying guy and tells him the fight is over lol, Chief definitely didn't struggle with him.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Composite Xenomorph would beat a Space Marine (its basically a fucking Tyranid at this point, a BIG one), a Space marine beats Chief. Ergo, Xeno beats chief.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Composite Xenomorph would beat a Space Marine (its basically a fucking Tyranid at this point, a BIG one), a Space marine beats Chief. Ergo, Xeno beats chief.

Bro have you kept up with Halo?

Master Chief is definitely Space Marine tier if not better depending on weapons. He got a massive boost/upgrade to durability and much better weapons. Plus his tactics are better than a Space Marines, a Space Marine would try to close the distance to a giant Tyranid and kill it with a chainsword which would make it more possible to die


Master Chief would keep his distance and wear the monster down with precision attacks with ranged weapons, which is well how Xenomorphs have been usually defeated the protagonist keep their distance and using precision attacks or the environment to defeat them.

Master Chief is also LUCKY something that Ripley had a lot of and used to great effect.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

X_X This debate is going nowhere, agree to disagree.

 

[IndyFront]

A Xeno can manhandle combat synths, which in turn can bend humans into pretzels.

Yeah the idea that a SPARTAN-II could fistfight an Alien Queen is just laughable, and it would be wholly out of character for Master Chief anyway, his proficiency is in firearms, if he wanted to beat an Alien Queen he'd have to - and would - keep his distance, there's just no way around that. That would be the last thing he would allow to happen in the first place, thus a fistfight would likely not even take place.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Yeah the idea that a SPARTAN-II could fistfight an Alien Queen is just laughable, and it would be wholly out of character for Master Chief anyway, his proficiency is in firearms, if he wanted to beat an Alien Queen he'd have to - and would - keep his distance, there's just no way around that. That would be the last thing he would allow to happen in the first place, thus a fistfight would likely not even take place.

I reckon he might be able to fistfight the Aliens Queen. But none of the 25 foot tall redesigns. They're just too fucking big.

 

[IndyFront]

I reckon he might be able to fistfight the Aliens Queen. But none of the 25 foot tall redesigns. They're just too fucking big.

Oh yeah he'd be able to but would he win, or even choose to do that? I think not. It would be like asking how a fight between a 7' world record power lifter who's a blackbelt in karate, jeet kun do, BJJ and Krav Maga vs a meth'd-out chimpanzee or mountain lion would unfold. Yeah, sure, they're physically incapable of lifting what he is able to, don't know martial arts and can't run a marathon (in the case of the chimpanzee) but boy would that animal rip his fucking face off and shit in his skull. Master Chief is still a human being, with reservations and emotions, despite all his training he still lacks that animalistic bestial nature that an Alien Queen has, not to mention they are at minimum twice his height and weight. Of course, there are methods humans have for subduing wild animals, but would Master Chief be able to "ragdoll" an Alien Queen, likely at bare minimum twice his size and strength? Ha!

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Oh yeah he'd be able to but would he win, or even choose to do that? I think not. It would be like asking how a fight between a 7' world record power lifter who's a blackbelt in karate, jeet kun do, BJJ and Krav Maga vs a meth'd-out chimpanzee or mountain lion would unfold. Yeah, sure, they're physically incapable of lifting what he is able to, don't know martial arts and can't run a marathon (in the case of the chimpanzee) but boy would that animal rip his fucking face off and shit in his skull. Master Chief is still a human being, with reservations and emotions, despite all his training he still lacks that animalistic bestial nature that an Alien Queen has, not to mention they are at minimum twice his height and weight. Of course, there are methods humans have for subduing wild animals, but would Master Chief be able to "ragdoll" an Alien Queen, likely at bare minimum twice his size and strength? Ha!

I dunno if any Halo weapon would actually put down 'Xeno composite' as well though, the comically huge Xenos don't really die to headshots penetrating their armor, they tend to require being perforated all over the place.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I dunno if any Halo weapon would actually put down 'Xeno composite' as well though, the comically huge Xenos don't really die to headshots penetrating their armor, they tend to require being perforated all over the place.

Uh he definitely does lol

SRS99-AM sniper rifle - Weapon - Halopedia, the Halo wiki

• Huffman: "I was a sniper, used a standard high-powered Sniper Rifle. At 600 yards, it would go through about 13 feet of flesh and bone."
• Interviewer: "What about you?"

Hydra

The Hydra is designed to be as easy to operate as a conventional rifle, albeit one that fires gyroscopically stabilized HEAB (High-Explosive Air Bursting) rockets from a six-chamber, rotating cylinder. Highly effective in both close-quarters combat and medium-range engagements, the Hydra can be used in a direct-fire mode though it is most deadly when using a real-time VISR connection to lock-on and guide missiles to the target. The Hydra's elegant semi-automatic targeting and tracking system allows the user to target not only individual infantry, but even distinct parts of enemy vehicles to effect a clean and efficient kill.

Keep in mind UNSC grenades which are more or less the same size as the rounds can pack explosives that do this

But the Hydra is concentrating and focusing all that explosive energy into one area making its potency ever more powerful (This makes the USCM grenade launcher that slaughters Xenomorphs look like a firecracker) haven't seen anything posted for the Xenomorphs suggesting they can withstand this level of fire power as the actual weapons used by the USCM on the Xenomorphs are far weaker.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

The 14.5mm APFSDS rounds would make a small wound channel, for a 50 foot regenerative monster I'm not even sure it'd care much about that. It also wouldn't penetrate it's head armor anyways.

 

[Scooby Doo]

The 14.5mm APFSDS rounds would make a small wound channel, for a 50 foot regenerative monster I'm not even sure it'd care much about that. It also wouldn't penetrate it's head armor anyways.

What weapon have they actually tanked that's comparable to the penetration of a 14.5mm?

Again UNSCM Pulse Rifles are FAR below the penetration of a Halo Sniper.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

What weapon have they actually tanked that's comparable to the penetration of a 14.5mm?

Again UNSCM Pulse Rifles are FAR below the penetration of a Halo Sniper.

Uhh, SADARs (anti tank missiles)? Various railguns? Exosuit guns that fires something like 60 thousand rounds a minute?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Uhh, SADARs (anti tank missiles)? Various railguns? Exosuit guns that fires something like 60 thousand rounds a minute?

Examples of Xenomorphs actually tanking SADARS?
Stats for the Railgun's penetration?
Source for Exosuits firing 60k rounds a minute and the Xenomorph actually withstanding that level of fire power?

Just a little skeptical that it's not game mechanics that you're basing their durability off of.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Examples of Xenomorphs actually tanking SADARS?
Stats for the Railgun's penetration?
Source for Exosuits firing 60k rounds a minute and the Xenomorph actually withstanding that level of fire power?

Just a little skeptical that it's not game mechanics that you're basing their durability off of.

Most of the funny Aliens stuff I am aware of comes from AVP:E, because I don't really read the novels/comics
In said game, Queens take repeated SADAR hits to kill, not to mention in several other games they tank multiple SADAR hits.

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Regular ol sniper rounds punch through at least 75mm of armor, which is potentially more than the Halo Sniper given the IRL Halo sniper's inspiration wasn't quite that powerful at range.

Steyr IWS 2000 - Wikipedia

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The upgraded sniper's penetration is listed as 'almost arbitrary thickness'.

The issue isn't so much that the Halo sniper will bounce off (well, it WILL, if fucking grenades, flamethrowers, sniper rifles, and plasma bolts bounce off of tougher Xenos), it's that punching holes in Xenos doesn't kill them, you need to completely obliterate them.

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1000 rounds a second per railgun 'array'. Described as being able to 'liquefy most targets'.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Most of the funny Aliens stuff I am aware of comes from AVP:E, because I don't really read the novels/comics
In said game, Queens take repeated SADAR hits to kill, not to mention in several other games they tank multiple SADAR hits.

I don't think what you're saying is entirely correct upon reading your sources nothing says the Queen can actually withstand them rather that agile enemies are better suited to counter SADAR units because they're fast enough to kill before they get killed.

You can't base the Queen's durability on game mechanics of an RTS because it's not accurate to actual representations, it's like trying to scale Halo from their RTS where they survive Mac Rounds and Glassing beams.

Praetorian's are killed several time in AVP 2010 by the Pulse Rifle and Smartgun which are the hardest hitting weapons available when fighting them. Like wise the Queen in AVP dies from a furnace explosion which is a far cry from no selling anti tank missiles these are actual cutscenes and scripted events that happen.

There's also a lot more comics and even novels of Xenomorph's getting dropped by small arms fire and AVP Unleashed says the Queen is just resistant to small arms not immune.

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Regular ol sniper rounds punch through at least 75mm of armor, which is potentially more than the Halo Sniper given the IRL Halo sniper's inspiration wasn't quite that powerful at range.

Steyr IWS 2000 - Wikipedia

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Bruh.

The Halo Sniper Rifle can easily over penetrate several armored soldiers, given the context of the Halo universe their body armor can comfortably withstand 7.62 armor which is level III body armor plate.

To over penetrate several soldiers it would have to go through at least four plates.

Each plate on average for lvl III Body armor would be 0.8 inches thick or 20mm, 4 plates (The minimum as it'll go through the front then back plate and continue penetrating the next soldier clean through) is going to be 80mm worth of armor penetration MINIMUM so it is by no means weak.

The upgraded sniper's penetration is listed as 'almost arbitrary thickness'.

Completely unquantifiable

The issue isn't so much that the Halo sniper will bounce off (well, it WILL, if fucking grenades, flamethrowers, sniper rifles, and plasma bolts bounce off of tougher Xenos),

The thing is you're comparing a firecracker to a nuke and saying if someone can tank a fire cracker the nuke would do nothing.

The only weapons that are comparable in fire power aren't explicitly tanked by the Queen let alone other Xenomorphs thus far mentioned.

it's that punching holes in Xenos doesn't kill them, you need to completely obliterate them.

You don't have to lol, AVP shows Queen's can die from decapitation or sufficient brain damage.

I think there's any variant that can survive without their head blown up.

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1000 rounds a second per railgun 'array'. Described as being able to 'liquefy most targets'.

Cool so do you have a cutscene or quote that says they actually tanked it? Cause gameplay doesn't count other wise

The predecessor to Master Chief's armor can withstand wraith shots the same shots that blow up bridges

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

>Complains about game mechanics
>Uses several ingame scenes that aren't even consistent with the franchise
jej
Anyways, again the topic is going nowhere, agree to disagree until somebody else has something on the matter.
@IndyFront
You got any words?

 

[IndyFront]

>Complains about game mechanics
>Uses several ingame scenes that aren't even consistent with the franchise
jej
Anyways, again the topic is going nowhere, agree to disagree until somebody else has something on the matter.
@IndyFront
You got any words?

Not really, couldn't have said it better myself. This is why when it comes to Halo, I just stick to the books for lore. Game mechanics aren't really a reliable source material. There's crazy feats for xenomorphs in the books too, such as being able to tank a 12 gauge shotgun at close range for example. And there's also the Praetorians in the Aliens: Earth War books that were able to neutralize an APC with relative ease.

And while not canon to the Alien or AVP Universe, Superman v Aliens is canon to the DC multiverse so Aliens exist in that universe that can contend with Superman-level beings, although that is an extreme high-end outlier.

 

[Scottty]

Not really, couldn't have said it better myself. This is why when it comes to Halo, I just stick to the books for lore. Game mechanics aren't really a reliable source material. There's crazy feats for xenomorphs in the books too, such as being able to tank a 12 gauge shotgun at close range for example. And there's also the Praetorians in the Aliens: Earth War books that were able to neutralize an APC with relative ease.

And while not canon to the Alien or AVP Universe, Superman v Aliens is canon to the DC multiverse so Aliens exist in that universe that can contend with Superman-level beings, although that is an extreme high-end outlier.

Well if they can incorporate Kryptonian DNA... but then it's basically just a non-humanoid version of Doomsday.