What makes him a bigot?
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Terthna
Professional Lurker
To be honest, the only difference I've found between your behavior, and the sort commonly found over in Whitehall, is your targets; other than that, you're no different from any other regressive leftist. People like you, you do nothing but aggravate an already contentious debate into becoming an all out war of ideology.
In this thread specifically? Painting everyone who's pro-choice with the same ideological brush, calling them murderers, that sort of thing. To be honest though, his behavior in this thread isn't the only reason I call him a bigot; he has a history of insulting and deriding people he disagrees with. Quite frankly; I'm sick of it.
almostinsane
Well-known member
Are you asking for him not to call abortion murder or else be branded a bigot? If that is the case, then there can be no debate to be had as one side has been made illegal. If he can claim that abortion is murder without being a bigot, then how?
Of course, you will point out that him calling the abortion movement itself murderous as bigotry, but that point can be argued rationally. Regardless, I don't see anyone here calling you a murderer. I certainly don't see you or the everyday pro-choicer as murderous but misled. I would, however, call certain pro-choicers murderous as I see fit such as the "Abort all boys" faction of the feminists.
LifeisTiresome
Well-known member
Its called the culture war. We already are in a war of ideology.
If Catholics believe abortion is "genocide" then they are simply morons. Not different from SJWs who believe border control is "literally genocide". The fact they believe this bullshit doesn't make it any more true.
Shadepen97
Well-known member
What else can we call the systemic slaughter of the unborn than "genocide"? The abortion industry has killed more people than Nazi Germany in WW2. These babies are killed because they are "inconvenient" or because they are boys.
I live in North Carolina, In my town there are three abortion clinics , and a social security office within two blocks of each other. I got a notice that was being passed out saying that there was a "Abortion Special" where there was a 65% discount on all abortions of boys. The mayor of my town actively campaigned to blacks that she was making abortion cheaper for all "people of color". What am I to think of that?
EDIT: My towns mayor is a white liberal woman if that matters, which for some people it does.
EDIT: I realize that this is anecdotal, but if the other Pro-Life people have similar experiences to me, can you blame us for being a bit worried about the abortion agenda?
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ShieldWife
Marchioness
If you’re pro-choice then I assume you don’t believe that a fetus is a human life. In which case what the Pope said is ridiculous. It would be like saying that removing wisdom teeth is genocide.
If, on the other hand, you believe that a fetus is a human life and that an abortion is a murder, then to be logically consistent you must admit that the legalization and acceptance of abortion has lead to the greasiest series of mass murders in the history of humanity - utterly dwarfing deaths caused by fascism, communism, and Islam combined.
If that is what you believe, that a fetus is a full fledged human and killing one is the equivalent of killing an adult human, then you should take a principled stand by that position. In fact, pro-life people acting like abortion is no big deal undermines their position, because they aren’t acting like they really believe that abortion is murder.
Is a fetus a human? If so the USA has killed more than Nazi Germany. If not, then how can we justify outlawing it? Is a fetus something in between a human and a non-human, is that a philosophically tenable position?
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I made this thread to discuss the topic of the above question.
If, on the other hand, you believe that a fetus is a human life and that an abortion is a murder, then to be logically consistent you must admit that the legalization and acceptance of abortion has lead to the greasiest series of mass murders in the history of humanity - utterly dwarfing deaths caused by fascism, communism, and Islam combined.
If that is what you believe, that a fetus is a full fledged human and killing one is the equivalent of killing an adult human, then you should take a principled stand by that position. In fact, pro-life people acting like abortion is no big deal undermines their position, because they aren’t acting like they really believe that abortion is murder.
Is a fetus a human? If so the USA has killed more than Nazi Germany. If not, then how can we justify outlawing it? Is a fetus something in between a human and a non-human, is that a philosophically tenable position?
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I made this thread to discuss the topic of the above question.
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Yeah sure, if most Catholics literally and wholeheartedly believed there was a huge genocide like this going on they would have started an actual civil war.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
That is true. Very few pro-life people act like they believe that abortion is really murder. If they did act in such a way, abortion would be much rarer as all abortion clinics would be burned down and all the employees would be assassinated.
Initially poor people who couldn't afford birth control and proper prenatal care, and the eugencists who didn't want them to breed, because god damned did it start from a dark place.
These days its still a source of cheap contraceptives for poorer people, and they do what I consider to be ever more limited prenatal services. If your asking who benefits from it now?
The people who work there, political activists who get their funding from them and would have to get actual jobs if they stopped existing, the poorer people who get cheap contraceptives and prenatal care from them and us the Tax payer because were not paying for even more single mothers with unwanted children.
In my opinion the organization is a mixed bag, it does things I find helpful and things I find harmful, but If I had the option I wouldn't destroy it.
Because I think some thing even worse would replace it.
No... no they wouldn't.
Pro-life people are perfectly capable of performing a simple cost-benefit analysis and determining the most effective way to accomplish their objective. And terrorism, as you're suggesting they should undertaking "if they really believed it" was long ago shown to be INEFFECTIVE at forwarding the actual goal of the pro-life movement.
Bear in mind, in order for terrorist violence to be effective in marginalizing an activity or group you have to have more than numbers and a target on your side, you ALSO have to have sympathetic figures in government who will provide some degree of cover for you but, more importantly, a sympathetic MEDIA environment who will assist in demonizing your target to make it acceptable to society at large to be targeted.
The Pro-Life movement in the US has never operated under these conditions. Politicians in the US tend to look very poorly on right wing violence and the media in the US is downright HOSTILE to the pro-life movement to a degree they are few other things. As such, when there WERE pro-life terrorist attacks in the 80s and 90s instead of marginalizing abortion, it actually pushed the pro-choice position to it's most widely accepted position in the US, the exact opposite effect of what they wanted and further, such actions cost them considerable political sympathy and hindered their efforts for legal counters to abortion, while also getting significant special protections put in place for abortion.
It was only once the more extreme pro-life rhetoric of the 80s and 90s was marginalized and violence as a solution refuted among the pro-life movement that the US pro-life movement really started gaining ground in the US.
Being pro-life doesn't mean they are irrational and unable to figure out which strategy is more likely to accomplish their goal. Thus, the pro-life movement has been pursuing their goal using peaceful methods while pursuing setting the stage to overturn Roe at the Supreme Court. Yes, you can make the case that the pro-life position can logically lead to violence being a legitimate tactic, but you do not win a war by using a tactic which has proven ineffective.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I’m pretty sure your Western Leftist Media has gotten to the point that even protesting it makes the protestors look like a bunch of crazies or assholes
f1onagher
Well-known member
They very carefully never mention the March for Life despite the fact that it has happened every year since 1974 no matter the weather (having even marched in more than one blizzard) and grows larger every year. The image of 100,000-600,000 people peacefully marching through DC year after year steals too much from the Left's idealized book to properly scorn so they pretend it doesn't happen. People still don't know what the Covington kids were doing in DC when the whole MAGA hat controversy happened because the media tiptoed around mentioning the event.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
It’s surprising how much isn’t even kept secret or already sorta advertises itself but is somehow not known by people even in their own cities and nations
This seems like the kind of thing that anti-discrimination laws could be used for in a really ironic way to put a stop to this kind of shit.
That's not a very convincing argument. If there's a fucking GENOCIDE going on, there's no place for a "cost-benefit analysis". It's supposed to elicit a visceral reaction. Imagine if, say, trans people or black people or Jews were rounded up, put into gulags and later shoved into gas showers in modern day US of A. Do you think anyone would even think of a "cost-benefit analysis"? People would be ripping out policemen's throats with their teeth. And you're not living in a dictatorship, where these sentiments can be suppressed via heavy handed secret police and censorship.
side's terrorism has had for their side.
Well, we're approaching end game in the debate, since the Supreme Court has permitted the single most effective pro-life piece of legislation short of actual bans to go into effect... namely mandating ultrasounds being performed and shown to prospective 'clients' before an abortion. Since we in the pro-life community know full well that upwards of 90+ percent of women who see an ultrasound of their baby in the womb choose life, this is an enormous blow to the abortionists.
Here in AZ we have one very unusual situation that pisses the abortionists off to no end, the local Planned Parenthood abortion mill relocated to a new location in Tempe... and didn't realize until they'd signed a long term lease that they were going to be opening up literally next door to the Aid to Women Center, one of the major local crisis pregnancy and pro-life advocacy groups. In fact, the Aid to Women Center's chapel shares a wall with the actual rooms where abortions are performed. Of course, Planned Parenthood tried to force the center to shut down under the laws mandating that pro-lifers are to stay a certain distance away from abortion mills, but the courts ruled that since the center was there first, the abortionists had no leg to stand on.
Every Saturday morning we go down there and say a rosary for the unborn, and then hold signs on Baseline (well outside the legal limit, so they can't call the cops on us). I've had to dodge cars that have run up on the sidewalk with pro-aborts screaming Hail Satan, I've had all sorts of shit (sometimes literal) thrown at me by the pro-aborts, and I've seen them become so unhinged that they've caused serious accidents on the road in their rage. And the best part? I've seen women who were lured to the abortion mill under the false pretence that it's just a clump of cells and not murder turn away and chose life, and every time that happens (and it happens often) the abortionists just get even more unhinged. It's glorious.
Here in AZ we have one very unusual situation that pisses the abortionists off to no end, the local Planned Parenthood abortion mill relocated to a new location in Tempe... and didn't realize until they'd signed a long term lease that they were going to be opening up literally next door to the Aid to Women Center, one of the major local crisis pregnancy and pro-life advocacy groups. In fact, the Aid to Women Center's chapel shares a wall with the actual rooms where abortions are performed. Of course, Planned Parenthood tried to force the center to shut down under the laws mandating that pro-lifers are to stay a certain distance away from abortion mills, but the courts ruled that since the center was there first, the abortionists had no leg to stand on.
Every Saturday morning we go down there and say a rosary for the unborn, and then hold signs on Baseline (well outside the legal limit, so they can't call the cops on us). I've had to dodge cars that have run up on the sidewalk with pro-aborts screaming Hail Satan, I've had all sorts of shit (sometimes literal) thrown at me by the pro-aborts, and I've seen them become so unhinged that they've caused serious accidents on the road in their rage. And the best part? I've seen women who were lured to the abortion mill under the false pretence that it's just a clump of cells and not murder turn away and chose life, and every time that happens (and it happens often) the abortionists just get even more unhinged. It's glorious.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Pro-Choice means there's only one choice