Important Clarificaiton of doxxing rules

The Immortal Watch Dog

Well-known member
Hetman
Why? Some people may change nickname simply because their interests have diverged. And in such a case, knowing their old identity might be something they do not want to be revealed, simply out of principle (for me, I don't think anyone has any business "informing" themselves on my activities, or "stalking" any one person/online identity in general).

Mostly because of why this site exists, the genesis of the rift between SB and the Sietch wasn't benevolent and what happened to these people was as closes as you can get to an act of violence as possible without braining someone. That's probably why this is receiving so much blowback an why Invictus and others are deeply concerned about how friendly and tolerant and even..protective at the expense of this site...the Sietch staff are towards SB in general.

I made the analogy of a battered spouse once and it enraged 'em enough to pull a frame job on me and I suspect it did because it hits home and is tragically accurate.

People here weren't just thrown off a site..Many of them helped build that community, some put in contributions that likely spanned from the time they were teenagers to the time they were parents of teenagers. As recompense they cordoned off from the site, caged like animals told to "rehabilitate themselves and learn to act like functioning human beings" and then after all that? Hurled out...By people who basically fabricated evidence claiming they were Nazis.

Some of that succeeded against some of them...and they're just..flagelents who would burn this site down to appease their buddies in Whitehall..Self harm is usually the first sign of severe trauma after all.

I can sort of...given the history involved completely understand why many of them would take objection to any attempt to shield the people who wronged them..from..justified...exclusion.

Simply put..the Sietch has earned the right to be hateful and indignant toward SB users...and in their position I would absolutely assume malice in someone from SB who hides what they are...then give them time to prove themselves.

I wasn't part of that...I have my own clique and my own forums I frequent and I escaped the shitstorm because I really only came to SB passed say 2012 to laugh at people..Having completely lost faith in that site and its users.

But I can understand it..having been through the kind of shit they went through and because I do actually give a damn about this place and where it's headed...I sort of adopt that stance in dealing with SB'ers who hide..if I suspect that I'm dealing with one.

I also follow the "pay your dues" system..so it ain't like I won't turn around and embrace the same people like a brother once its clear their intentions aren't malicious.

In either case..my position is more...This rule isn't being written to protect users but to harm users the mods don't like.

This is a policy implemented to sanction abuse..under a mask of protecting people. It's a post hoc justification for the abuse we've all seen over the last few weeks.

That has been my main gripe from my first post.

That has always been my gripe.

I'm sorry I didn't mean to offend you (via metaphorical stabbing you in the ribs) by responding to you quoting me and asking for an explanation for my post. :LOL:

I promise to restrain myself from disagreeing with you because I don't want to discredit or brigade you. For that I sincerely apologize.


Naw, you didn't nor did ya Caesar me.

I'm just pointing out it was awful jumpy..and looked like it was part of a pattern..Which you responded too, in a rather revealing way. kobe.png
 

ShadowArxxy

Well-known member
Comrade
However, if you're hiding who you are here, joining a board of exiles who are here solely to escape leftwing techno tyranny, doxing and slander and who advocate for free speech (Everyone here except the majority of the staff seems to actually hold those values..Even the misguided amongst you). I would argue anyone who joins seeking to conceal their SB identity is a spy for the SB staff and has come here with malicious intent.

"We fled SB to escape doxxing, so everyone from SB should be doxxed!"
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

Well-known member
Hetman
Threadban from the Boot. Take a tiny vacation from the thread and think about better ways to phrase that.
"We fled SB to escape doxxing, so everyone from SB should be doxxed!"

You weighing into this discussion is akin to someone in the early 90's inviting Jeffrey Dahmer to stand as the guest speaker in a conference about the negative impact of sodomy laws on individual liberties.

By presence alone, you undermine the argument.
 
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Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
My name here is diffrent from my SB one, and I want to keep it that way as I like it on SB for the vs and don't want to get banned for being here.

Does that make me some undercover who means to do bad things to the forum? Sure I fucking guess.
 

Big Steve

For the Republic!
Founder
You weighing into this discussion is akin to someone in the early 90's inviting Jeffrey Dahmer to stand as the guest speaker in a conference about the negative impact of sodomy laws on individual liberties.

By presence alone, you undermine the argument.

So you compare someone you don't like to a serial killer. That's sure to win them, or others, over, ain't it?:rolleyes:
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

Well-known member
Hetman
So you compare someone you don't like to a serial killer. That's sure to win them, or others, over, ain't it?:rolleyes:

Don't like? I have interacted with that person literally...twice. I've no opinion on that user.

Except that said user has a blue wall of mod protection around him or her and I find that to be incredibly unethical. The fact that rules were expanded on solely to justify zealous modding..in defense of that user..likewise bugs me.

Stop injecting meaning where there is none big steve..you got a guy banned here because you had a panic attack over a phrase and you boomered...

Also research Terry Davis before you accuse someone of racism next time.

My name here is diffrent from my SB one, and I want to keep it that way as I like it on SB for the vs and don't want to get banned for being here.

Does that make me some undercover who means to do bad things to the forum? Sure I fucking guess.

Not at all...

But everyone knows you by now and you've had more than enough time to prove that point outloud.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
Don't like? I have interacted with that person literally...twice. I've no opinion on that user.

Except that said user has a blue wall of mod protection around him or her and I find that to be incredibly unethical. The fact that rules were expanded on solely to justify zealous modding..in defense of that user..likewise bugs me.

Stop injecting meaning where there is none big steve..you got a guy banned here because you had a panic attack over a phrase and you boomered...

Also research Terry Davis before you accuse someone of racism next time.



Not at all...

But everyone knows you by now and you've had more than enough time to prove that point outloud.
The point is people can have diffrent names on diffrent forums because they can.
Does not mean they have an agenda
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

Well-known member
Hetman
The point is people can have diffrent names on diffrent forums because they can.
Does not mean they have an agenda

Of course...I never said otherwise.

I just said, knowing the controversy here, if you come from there, you probably merit a little observation.

Overt hostility no, but monitoring?

edit- For the record...I'm not even disagreeing with a no doxxing policy. I'm disagreeing with the agenda behind it..and its manner of enforcement.
 

PeliusAnar

Well-known member
Threadban for Violation of Rule 2c by trying to bait others to violate our rules and Rule 3 with intentional disregard to listen to staff or follow policies.
@The Immortal Watch Dog I agree with what you are saying very strongly.

Well the good news is, that if anyone refers to me by my SB name ever they will be banned. It is now super secret since it is different. I want to thank the mod team for making it very clear how strict and clear that rule is with zero exceptions. The boot was very informative in that regard. I will enjoy watching very closely to see if anyone tries to soft dox me in the future. Because my ID from SB is now super secret.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
Of course...I never said otherwise.

I just said, knowing the controversy here, if you come from there, you probably merit a little observation.

Overt hostility no, but monitoring?

edit- For the record...I'm not even disagreeing with a no doxxing policy. I'm disagreeing with the agenda behind it..and its manner of enforcement.
Your first post made it seem doffremt
 

SuperS4

I'll put something witty here eventually.
Of course...I never said otherwise.
You literally said they should be treated like spies and have malicious intent.

Like, that is overt hostility you're describing they should be treated with. Who the fuck cares what someone posts as on another forum. That's another forum. Worry about what you and they post on Sietch.

Basically; stop being a little bitch because you have angst over SBs actions. If someone wants to use a different username on Sietch, that's their prerogative. It's not inherently a sign of "malicious intent" nor that they're spies for the SB moderation staff. People use different usernames all over the internet for a variety of reasons. Who gives a shit what their reasons are(so long as they're legal reason, I mean, changing usernames cuz they're a self confessed pedophile? Yeah fuck that shit), but otherwise? Who gives a shit.

I mean, other then conspiracy theorist nutbars. Which I'm finding seems to be a trend on this site...so maybe that explains things.
 
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You literally said they should be treated like spies and have malicious intent.

Like, that is overt hostility you're describing they should be treated with. Who the fuck cares what someone posts as on another forum. That's another forum. Worry about what you and they post on Sietch.

Basically; stop being a little bitch because you have angst over SBs actions. If someone wants to use a different username on Sietch, that's their prerogative. It's not inherently a sign of "malicious intent" nor that they're spies for the SB moderation staff. People use different usernames all over the internet for a variety of reasons. Who gives a shit what their reasons are(so long as they're legal reason, I mean, changing usernames cuz they're a self confessed pedophile? Yeah fuck that shit), but otherwise? Who gives a shit.

I mean, other then conspiracy theorist nutbars. Which I'm finding seems to be a trend on this site...so maybe that explains things.
The site was founded due to political persecution. Which has led to a paranoid userbase. While it gets histrionic at times, there is a reason why the paranoia and conspiratorial siege mentality exists.

Conspiracies do happen, people plot to dox, to conduct DDOS attacks, to spy, and so on.

So our paranoia is not based on our neuroses alone.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
You literally said they should be treated like spies and have malicious intent.

Like, that is overt hostility you're describing they should be treated with. Who the fuck cares what someone posts as on another forum. That's another forum. Worry about what you and they post on Sietch.

Basically; stop being a little bitch because you have angst over SBs actions. If someone wants to use a different username on Sietch, that's their prerogative. It's not inherently a sign of "malicious intent" nor that they're spies for the SB moderation staff. People use different usernames all over the internet for a variety of reasons. Who gives a shit what their reasons are(so long as they're legal reason, I mean, changing usernames cuz they're a self confessed pedophile? Yeah fuck that shit), but otherwise? Who gives a shit.

I mean, other then conspiracy theorist nutbars. Which I'm finding seems to be a trend on this site...so maybe that explains things.
They are a minority on this site
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
You literally said they should be treated like spies and have malicious intent.

Like, that is overt hostility you're describing they should be treated with. Who the fuck cares what someone posts as on another forum. That's another forum. Worry about what you and they post on Sietch.

Basically; stop being a little bitch because you have angst over SBs actions. If someone wants to use a different username on Sietch, that's their prerogative. It's not inherently a sign of "malicious intent" nor that they're spies for the SB moderation staff. People use different usernames all over the internet for a variety of reasons. Who gives a shit what their reasons are(so long as they're legal reason, I mean, changing usernames cuz they're a self confessed pedophile? Yeah fuck that shit), but otherwise? Who gives a shit.

I mean, other then conspiracy theorist nutbars. Which I'm finding seems to be a trend on this site...so maybe that explains things.

One of the forums I used to be a member of ceased to be a functional site due to DDOS attacks. As in, forum crashed every few hours and, naturally, userbase moved over to other forums. I also happen to know other forums which suffered mass infiltration attacks and similar crap. Between that and this site's history, paranoia is hardly unjustified.

Personally, I don't agree that people should be forced to use the same username as on SB or anywhere else, or disclose their identities. But the point is, "conspiracy theory nutbars" here, as you call them, are hardly unjustified in their opinions.
 

Rocinante

Russian Bot
Founder
I suppose I get the argument from some of the people I like who want to keep anonymous and separate from their SB identity.

I originally wanted the same myself, which is why I have a different name here. I have since stopped caring and posted my SB name, so everyone knows who I am, but, I get it.

My objection was literally because of two members who I strongly dislike. Who I see posting here with the same tactics. I think they're awful people and it annoys me knowing who they are and what they're up to.

Sometimes it makes me want to warn people, "hey you know you're talking to ______ right?" So they can stop wasting their damn time on it.

But I get it. One of them is under protection by the owner, and to be fair, if we want to allow people that we like to have different names, we should apply that rule across the board, not just to some people.

So I get it. Makes enough sense.
 

Ariel Schnee

Cute Snow Princess
So, the matter of "soft-doxxing" has come up, that is, when someone operating under one screenname on one web forum uses a different one elsewhere, does not wish it to be known, and is yet linked to the old username by another poster, sometimes repeatedly and sometimes while being asked not to.

While this does not have the same repercussions as actual doxxing, which is banned under the Terms of Service, we've come to conclude it is inappropriate behavior, particularly if done despite a request not to use the old username/screenname, and we will be punishing it accordingly from this point onward.

This rule sounds good, and I'll mention it to Liananna to see if She wants to implement it on Her forums.
 

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