He won't get overthrown, but Ukraine will have to lose all of its men (killed, severely wounded, or missing) for Ukraine to get fully conquered by Russia.
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He won't get overthrown, but Ukraine will have to lose all of its men (killed, severely wounded, or missing) for Ukraine to get fully conquered by Russia.
Agent23
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That can probably be arranged.
But I think that up to the banks of the Dnieper + Odessa is what he is ultimately gunning for.
And a nice fat army of refugees for the EU/Western Europe to deal with.
More human capital for the West!
bintananth
behind a desk
It'd basically be a variation of the US government of the day that's highly allergic to imposing taxes and spending money.
The Confederate Constitution included clauses which said that the post office must be profitable and prohibiting the allocation of funds for internal infrastructure projects.
They'd probably abolish slavery in a "no new slaves" manner which only frees existing slaves by compensating the slave's owner sometime in the 1880s.
I doubt some hypothetical victorious CSA would ever voluntarily get rid of slavery, as their entire reason for being was slavery. It's literally written into all their state and national constitutions, and in all the other documentation of the era.
It's fuckin' hilarious to watch some Putin fanboy fantasize about the thought of a victorious CSA, though.
It's fuckin' hilarious to watch some Putin fanboy fantasize about the thought of a victorious CSA, though.
It's fuckin' hilarious to watch some Putin fanboy fantasize about the thought of a victorious CSA, though.
I wonder what Confederate-Russian relations would have been like.
Agent23
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Are you gonna contribute something to the discussion, or do I have pull out the "good day sir" Wanka you introduced me to?I doubt some hypothetical victorious CSA would ever voluntarily get rid of slavery, as their entire reason for being was slavery. It's literally written into all their state and national constitutions, and in all the other documentation of the era.
It's fuckin' hilarious to watch some Putin fanboy fantasize about the thought of a victorious CSA, though.
In any case, it is not about them wanting to do it, it is them being forced to do it by their European overlords and masters who did that all over Africa, Asia and Latin America.
Do you actually think that the CSA would be able to say no once they are turned into Britain and France's bitch?
See that comment above about Britain and France's bitch?
Ever heard of the Great Game and the Crimean War?
Well, if you are familiar with those two then you will know.
But the Union will probably pursue a closer relationship with Prussia and the Russians.
Agent23
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I find the idea of a Balkanized North America where the British and French are pulling their colonial shit interesting from an AH standpoint.
The USA managed to become a large, Space Filling Empire in the Era of rampant European expansion is something of a historical aberration but at the same time any AH that proposes an alternative of it is usually filled with silly USA-centric tropes, like Muh Slavery.
If you actually knew anything about the subgenre you'd know, then again, you are the guy who wnated to mix pre-1900, post-1900 and ASB together...
1.Both South and North belonged to americans - one nation.Russians get excint,and even if they still existed,they never were ukrainians.So,first mistake - we do not have one nation here.
2.European powers could beat USA in 1860 - but they do not cared,so they do not supported South.USA could beat soviets now,but,after kgb started war AFTER they made deal with USA that they do not start war,they care.
Deep state would not ley soviets win - but,they also do not let Ukraine win.That is why USA do not send tanks and planes,but ald IFV and ammo.
I undarstandt,that ,average bulgarians need to belive on long dead Mother Russia - but,average poles need to belive in just USA ally.If i could stop beliving in fairy tales,you could do the same.
Agent23
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That was 100 years later after the US identity solidified into something.You can fantasize all you want, but remember, "a rifle behind every blade of grass."
Prior to the civil war you didn't even have a single currency, greenbacks were Lincoln's invention, and state loyalty was greater than the loyalty to their state and the USA was a lot more sparsely populated and decentralized than it is now.
The USA was more like the EU than an actual country when it helped the French fight the British out of it, you even used to say "The United States are..." insted of "The United States is...".
Agent23
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They won't need to occupy you, they can smash up the Union militarily and damage its war-making potential and help various sources of internal opposition, they will pull back after doing enough damage to get a capitulation or a peace treaty favoring the Confederacy and their own interests, then they will start pulling what is left of the Union apart.
The India playbook, basically.
Agent23
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My fantasies are actually based on European history and what I knew about the state of the USA back then, bub.Like I said, you can fantasize all you like.
Your problem if you are not a HA connoisseur.
Back to fanboying Pukeard!
Agent23
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Sure, gramps, sure, keep saying random stuff while not contradicting me in any real way.
King Arts
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I don’t know why you keep saying Russia is dead/extinct it still exists maybe Russia is led by post Soviets or not but Russian culture is still around.
I know Americans like to chest beat and brag about things that can’t be proven but 2 things first off in those times many Europeans also had all citizens have weapons in their homes they still got conquered sometimes, also the confederates had a lot of men like that yet the industrial north still occupied them. Next the Europeans won’t occupy the north they’d just burn down New York, Philadelphia, and Boston. That would mean that the north would lose its industrial advantages against the south and couldn’t win.
bintananth
behind a desk
Torching New York, Philadelphia, and Boston - while painful - probably isn't enough to force an American capitulation.
They'd need to start torching Great Lakes cities like Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay, and Milwaukee or something important in the interior a ship can't get to like Indianapolis.
We are stubborn bastards who don't like to lose.