Religion Christianity and its views of Gays

[DarthOne]

Yeah, a lot of people were saying that in the comments' section.

People don't care if someone's gay; they don't like Rainbow Tumour shit. A Pride cape? Yeah, that's a guarantee "frag me" bullseye.

And if they did it would allow the degenerates to screech oppression and launch attacks on the game, its developers etc.

And anyone who doesn’t have issues with homosexuality is a fool. All this filth is down river from it. I will not dignify a degenerate sexual fetish by claiming otherwise.

 

[Jormungandr]

And if they did it would allow the degenerates to screech oppression and launch attacks on the game, its developers etc.

And anyone who doesn’t have issues with homosexuality is a fool. All this filth is down river from it. I will not dignify a degenerate sexual fetish by claiming otherwise.

Yeah, the moment they give an inch, the Rainbow Tumour would take a mile. We've seen it happen before and we'll see it happen again. They're wise enough to cut this shit off at the base before it can get started, and by keeping neutrality they can stop claims of bias.

Again, damn smart of them.

See, that's the difference between you, I, and others: You see being gay as being inherently evil, sourced from being Christian. I don't see being gay as being inherently evil, only how people act on their sexuality like if a straight person began raping or abusing women.

However, I do agree that "all the filth downriver" is a very real thing with being gay and the Rainbow Tumour: It'd be naive and foolish to deny otherwise, and lately with all the grooming shit, the Slippery Slope, and the constant forcing of homosexuality into things that has nothing to do with sexuality in any capacity (such as in Doctor Who with Davies and Gatwa) openly coming out? I've wondered at times whether Rainbow Tumour Cultists are the norm, not the exception, and that people who are just regular people aside from having a different orientation are the outliers.

 

[S'task]

See, that's the difference between you, I, and others: You see being gay as being inherently evil, sourced from being Christian. I don't see being gay as being inherently evil, only how people act on their sexuality like if a straight person began raping or abusing women.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Christian position on homosexuality, which the media purposefully spread by focusing on the Westborough Baptists and their insanity.

Firstly, "being homosexual" is not a thing as far as Christian morality is concerned. What matters in Christianity is thought and actions, and homosexual acts and lusts are defined as sinful. Note though that heterosexual acts and lusts outside of marriage ARE ALSO defined as sinful, to be non-sinful sex and related activities must take place within a marriage.

Note, "lusts" is not the same as "attraction", one can recognize beauty or physical attraction without succumbing to the sin of lust. It's the difference between seeing someone that is attractive and acknowledging that you find them attractive, and ACTIVELY FANTASIZING about them. The first is perfectly fine, the second is what falls into the category of lust and is thus sinful. This applies to both heterosexual and homosexual attraction.

As far as "being homosexual" is sinful it is in the constant indulging in and refusing to refrain from the related sins that make it bad. It more properly understood to, say, having a temper and refusing to control it or restrain it and even being PROUD of your temper.

Someone who is attracted to the same sex, but doesn't actively lust over people or engage in sexual or related acts... hasn't actually sinned in that way. From a Christian perspective they have an area of specific temptation they struggle with.

Finally, here's the big thing that people forget about Christianity: Christian believe everyone is Evil. Everyone is Fallen. The homosexual is Evil and Fallen, but that's not because they are homosexual, but because they are HUMAN. EVERYONE is Evil and Fallen short of God's standard, which is why there is a need for sacrificial atonement by Christ to make up for EVERYONE'S failings, and everyone needs to work to overcome the various impulses that lead them to sin, some just have different areas of temptation than others.

 

[King Arts]

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Christian position on homosexuality, which the media purposefully spread by focusing on the Westborough Baptists and their insanity.

Firstly, "being homosexual" is not a thing as far as Christian morality is concerned. What matters in Christianity is thought and actions, and homosexual acts and lusts are defined as sinful. Note though that heterosexual acts and lusts outside of marriage ARE ALSO defined as sinful, to be non-sinful sex and related activities must take place within a marriage.

Note, "lusts" is not the same as "attraction", one can recognize beauty or physical attraction without succumbing to the sin of lust. It's the difference between seeing someone that is attractive and acknowledging that you find them attractive, and ACTIVELY FANTASIZING about them. The first is perfectly fine, the second is what falls into the category of lust and is thus sinful. This applies to both heterosexual and homosexual attraction.

As far as "being homosexual" is sinful it is in the constant indulging in and refusing to refrain from the related sins that make it bad. It more properly understood to, say, having a temper and refusing to control it or restrain it and even being PROUD of your temper.

Someone who is attracted to the same sex, but doesn't actively lust over people or engage in sexual or related acts... hasn't actually sinned in that way. From a Christian perspective they have an area of specific temptation they struggle with.

Finally, here's the big thing that people forget about Christianity: Christian believe everyone is Evil. Everyone is Fallen. The homosexual is Evil and Fallen, but that's not because they are homosexual, but because they are HUMAN. EVERYONE is Evil and Fallen short of God's standard, which is why there is a need for sacrificial atonement by Christ to make up for EVERYONE'S failings, and everyone needs to work to overcome the various impulses that lead them to sin, some just have different areas of temptation than others.

I thought we were going to disagree. But nope what you said is spot on from a Christian perspective. It's perfect, I agree 100% Good job.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Firstly, "being homosexual" is not a thing as far as Christian morality is concerned. What matters in Christianity is thought and actions, and homosexual acts and lusts are defined as sinful. Note though that heterosexual acts and lusts outside of marriage ARE ALSO defined as sinful, to be non-sinful sex and related activities must take place within a marriage.

Unless I'm mistaken, isn't the major no-no in the bible 'lay with a man as you would a woman'. With the other various stories all being about the same thing?
So strictly speaking god doesn't give a shit if you're a homo, only if you try fucking other guys.

 

[Abhorsen]

Unless I'm mistaken, isn't the major no-no in the bible 'lay with a man as you would a woman'. With the other various stories all being about the same thing?
So strictly speaking god doesn't give a shit if you're a homo, only if you try fucking other guys.

There's a few condemnations, and honestly the old testament ones are the ones that matter the least. It's much less remembered, but it was also condemned in the New Testament (I think more than once?), which is why it carries so much more weight with Christians than all of the many Jewish rules.

 

[King Arts]

Unless I'm mistaken, isn't the major no-no in the bible 'lay with a man as you would a woman'. With the other various stories all being about the same thing?
So strictly speaking god doesn't give a shit if you're a homo, only if you try fucking other guys.

See it's nonsense like this that will let the gays infiltrate the Church's like they did with the mainline protestants.

No it's not ok to be a homo and Christian. If you don't act on your sinful urges you are not that type of sinner.

So a person who has attractions to the same gender should not think of themselves as LGBT. Just like someone who has urges to kill someone else for being dumb in traffic is not a murderer. They just need to resist their desires.

 

[DarthOne]

See it's nonsense like this that will let the gays infiltrate the Church's like they did with the mainline protestants.

No it's not ok to be a homo and Christian. If you don't act on your sinful urges you are not that type of sinner.

So a person who has attractions to the same gender should not think of themselves as LGBT. Just like someone who has urges to kill someone else for being dumb in traffic is not a murderer. They just need to resist their desires.

Exactly this. Do not try to rules-lawyer Scripture. Any decent Christians won’t stand for it. And much more importantly, neither will the Almighty.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

See it's nonsense like this that will let the gays infiltrate the Church's like they did with the mainline protestants.

No it's not ok to be a homo and Christian. If you don't act on your sinful urges you are not that type of sinner.

So a person who has attractions to the same gender should not think of themselves as LGBT. Just like someone who has urges to kill someone else for being dumb in traffic is not a murderer. They just need to resist their desires.

Exactly this. Do not try to rules-lawyer Scripture. Any decent Christians won’t stand for it. And much more importantly, neither will the Almighty.

Don't blame me, it's what the scripture says. Complain to a 2000 year old religious person to get them to write 'oh and any thoughts about fucking another dude is also haram'. Besides we all know what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah anyways.

 

[King Arts]

Don't blame me, it's what the scripture says. Complain to a 2000 year old religious person to get them to write 'oh and any thoughts about fucking another dude is also haram'. Besides we all know what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah anyways.

No but you are buying into the invention of homosexuality. It was invented in the modern age of reason the 1800s. Sure when the Anglos or Germans invented that as a medical term they wanted to cure people. But that argument was twisted into they can’t help who they love they have no choice and we all know where that got us.

We should go back to the old ways of thinking people who act on certain desires are sodomites. If you have a desire for something bad you are not that thing you shouldn’t identify with it and should refrain from doing it.

 

[King Arts]

Don't blame me, it's what the scripture says. Complain to a 2000 year old religious person to get them to write 'oh and any thoughts about fucking another dude is also haram'. Besides we all know what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah anyways.

Oh also what do you mean by thoughts? Like if a thought of attraction just pops up into your head that’s not a direct sin itself. Just like with you and a woman you can see she is attractive but surely you realize that there is a difference between that and engagement with the fantasy dancing with it. If you see a cute married girl you might thing she’s pretty it you shouldn’t dream about her try and picture her naked etc. Do you get what I mean?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

No but you are buying into the invention of homosexuality. It was invented in the modern age of reason the 1800s. Sure when the Anglos or Germans invented that as a medical term they wanted to cure people. But that argument was twisted into they can’t help who they love they have no choice and we all know where that got us.

We should go back to the old ways of thinking people who act on certain desires are sodomites. If you have a desire for something bad you are not that thing you shouldn’t identify with it and should refrain from doing it.

Oh also what do you mean by thoughts? Like if a thought of attraction just pops up into your head that’s not a direct sin itself. Just like with you and a woman you can see she is attractive but surely you realize that there is a difference between that and engagement with the fantasy dancing with it. If you see a cute married girl you might thing she’s pretty it you shouldn’t dream about her try and picture her naked etc. Do you get what I mean?

Greeks were fucking each other before Christianity was even around. Egyptians were probably doing it before the concept of judaism popped up.
I'm not saying I like the idea, but good luck trying to stop it if it's been around since history began. It should very obviously not be incentivized, which is what insane leftists want.

 

[King Arts]

Greeks were fucking each other before Christianity was even around. Egyptians were probably doing it before the concept of judaism popped up.
I'm not saying I like the idea, but good luck trying to stop it if it's been around since history began. It should very obviously not be incentivized, which is what insane leftists want.

Yes the action was done but the Greeks did not think of themselves as homosexuals. Some of them had preferences like you might prefer blondes over brunettes but they did not make up an identity around it.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Yes the action was done but the Greeks did not think of themselves as homosexuals. Some of them had preferences like you might prefer blondes over brunettes but they did not make up an identity around it.

I mean yeah, they were probably fucking both women and men. But that's still gay.

 

[Vyor]

Yes the action was done but the Greeks did not think of themselves as homosexuals. Some of them had preferences like you might prefer blondes over brunettes but they did not make up an identity around it.

They also didn't think of themselves as "mammals" so...

 

[SoliFortissimi]

"despair for the conceited"

Well, well, well. How the turn tables.

 

[Karmic Acumen]

The idea that the Greeks, Romans or whoever else engaged in gay sex like it wasn't taboo is bullshit. The idea they were casual pedos is also bullshit. The idea that 'they didn't have a word' for gay is patently absurd and only bandied about by liars. Greeks called them gapers, wide arses, cistern arses, and at least 4 more other things. No, Alexander the Great was not gay.

All but one of the 'arguments' that 'the Greeks did it' consist of pottery art that is actually heterosexual sex is ALL cases. The other 'argument' is that one philosopher (I think Plato) said something that could be misinterpreted depending on how you translated what he said... But that was just one mention in a single book, and he had plenty others where he condemned it as disgusting, like everyone else did.

'Erastes' and 'eromenos' were pretty much only brought up in the context of how to protect your kids from catching the wondering eye of degenerates from the upper classes.

Same for the myths. Setting aside how much of the gay shit in them are just 'implications' that somehow only weirdos after the 'Enlightenment' were able to see through, the Myths we have are politcally motivated revisionism from Classical Greece, which postdates Mycaenean Greece by 600-1000 years, depending on how far back you go, with the Bronze Age collapse in between. Heracles was not bisexual, Ganymede didn't exist until the Cretans made him up, Achilles and Patroclus weren't lovers, etc.

The 'ancient Romans and Greeks were all bisexual sex maniacs' was all made up in one newspaper or tabloid article (in the 1800s at some point, I think) and everyone pretends that's a credible source.

The Leather Apron Club guy on Youtube made a video about this, if you care to learn more.

 

[King Arts]

They also didn't think of themselves as "mammals" so...

ok let’s play this game. What type of woman do you like?

 

[Karmic Acumen]

ok let’s play this game. What type of woman do you like?

Do you have to?

 

[King Arts]

Do you have to?

I mean he started it with his “homosexuality describes something real” thing.

Assuming he answers then I’d respond with “why don’t we make a term up for men who like that type of woman.”