United States Buffalo, NY Supermarket Mass-shooting

[Aldarion]

he's not a glowie, or a fed. he's a high time preference retard who was brain poisoned by being terminally online.

I'd say it is an almost certain false flag. Have his "manifesto" on my post, and that and other circumstances... this is waay to conventient to Leftist narrative, it almost reads like a leftist parody of what they think a white supremacist shooter to be.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

I'd say it is an almost certain false flag. Have his "manifesto" on my post, and that and other circumstances... this is waay to conventient to Leftist narrative, it almost reads like a leftist parody of what they think a white supremacist shooter to be.

Its not a false flag. He's the product of stupid memes, mental illness and a lack of real life connection to anything. Guys like this will always go off..they just need to find the thing to justify what they do.

 

[Agent23]

The supposed twitter account was created in 2011. The shooter is 18. A bit of math says it was created when the shooter was 7.

The twitter account probably does not belong to the shooter.

K, fair point.

 

[Batrix2070]

The whole thing smells like a molehill job. Betting that when something goes wrong and he start talking, he will suddenly hang himself or politely jump out of the window and lock himself in?
Or is he just an idiot, read a converted leftist, but one who accepted his own propaganda about the other side and when he switched to that side began to behave in what he believes the right wing does?
This is nothing new, the worst are the neophytes and especially those who suddenly go to the camp which they previously spat on and oppressed. (Like our communists when they made themselves capitalists after 89 with all their propaganda and steorotypes).

 

[Zachowon]

No one bringing up that in his manifesto he says he is a commie?

 

[Bacle]

No one bringing up that in his manifesto he says he is a commie?

Nah, so much easier to label this a 'glowie' job and look for evidence of such to confirm thier biases, instead of admitting this scum was just a person who bought into a bunch of racist BS spouted by the fringes of the Right.

A lot of them know how bad this looks for parts of the Right, and want to try to find an alternate explanation that lets the fringe who fed this person thier bullshit off the hook.

So much easier to scream 'glowie false flag' than to reckon with where this scum got his ideas about race.

 

[Batrix2070]

No one bringing up that in his manifesto he says he is a commie?

By mentioning the communists I mean that at first they were fiercely anti-capitalist according to the party line, and when the commune fell they switched to social democrats or in huge numbers to capitalists and because they did not know how real capitalists work they took their propaganda for a manual on how to be a capitalist and they became the living image of an artificially created steorotype, implementing it unfortunately quite effectively. A whole bunch of these posers are still doing damn well in the former Eastern Bloc to this day.

Hence, I think that this guy is just a former leftist who took the propaganda of the extreme left for granted and a manual on how to be an extreme rightist.
And I'm afraid that there will be more and more like him as the dam breaks more and more. And quite a few of them will not have the opportunity to learn how the right really thinks and will just go with the steorotypes and fictions of the far left as instruction.
In fact, they will continue to be leftists but talking like the right only that their thinking will not fully change in fundamentals they will simply change slogans.

 

[Agent23]

By mentioning the communists I mean that at first they were fiercely anti-capitalist according to the party line, and when the commune fell they switched to social democrats or in huge numbers to capitalists and because they did not know how real capitalists work they took their propaganda for a manual on how to be a capitalist and they became the living image of an artificially created steorotype, implementing it unfortunately quite effectively. A whole bunch of these posers are still doing damn well in the former Eastern Bloc to this day.

Hence, I think that this guy is just a former leftist who took the propaganda of the extreme left for granted and a manual on how to be an extreme rightist.
And I'm afraid that there will be more and more like him as the dam breaks more and more. And quite a few of them will not have the opportunity to learn how the right really thinks and will just go with the steorotypes and fictions of the far left as instruction.
In fact, they will continue to be leftists but talking like the right only that their thinking will not fully change in fundamentals they will simply change slogans.

THIS!

Either the moron got so massively blackpilled and decided to follow every single stereotype his former side is pushing about the right, or he is just a wannabe martyr.
Or he has an incurable disease and some Sorosoids set him up with a few nights' worth of hookers and blow in exchange for doing this.
Hezbollah and the Iranians, IIRC have managed to do wonders in motivating suicide bombers by paying off their families' debts and paying them money regularly after the bombers go boom.

 

[Battlegrinder]

It's not really probably that there's a false flag. There have been loads of mass shootings before, some of which were even more bizarrely suspicious than this one (Vegas comes to mind). They have accomplished next to nothing for the gun control movement. There's no reason to thing this one would be any difference.

Yes, his little manifesto is cringe and stupid and doesn't sound like the work of reasoning person. He's 18. Go back and find what you were saying about politics at 18, I'm fairly sure it was also terrible, and you guys are functional adults and not a maladjusted psycho like this guy.

 

[Agent23]

It's not really probably that there's a false flag. There have been loads of mass shootings before, some of which were even more bizarrely suspicious than this one (Vegas comes to mind). They have accomplished next to nothing for the gun control movement. There's no reason to thing this one would be any difference.

Yes, his little manifesto is cringe and stupid and doesn't sound like the work of reasoning person. He's 18. Go back and find what you were saying about politics at 18, I'm fairly sure it was also terrible, and you guys are functional adults and not a maladjusted psycho like this guy.

It is not the gun control movement that is the target, it is Trumpism/the New Right/Populists.

 

[Aldarion]

Nah, so much easier to label this a 'glowie' job and look for evidence of such to confirm thier biases, instead of admitting this scum was just a person who bought into a bunch of racist BS spouted by the fringes of the Right.

A lot of them know how bad this looks for parts of the Right, and want to try to find an alternate explanation that lets the fringe who fed this person thier bullshit off the hook.

So much easier to scream 'glowie false flag' than to reckon with where this scum got his ideas about race.

Look, I may be paranoid here, but I know how UDBA worked in Yugoslavia. They did shit like that all the time: send a few of their agents, murder somebody, and then ascribe that to nationalists. Or find a bunch of nationalists, push them to extremism, and then incite violence through their agents and again blame it on nationalists. In fact, I suspect a lot of Ustashi crimes might well be Partisan crimes that were ascribed to Ustashi post-facto, but that is a topic for another thread if you want to discuss it.

Yes, it is possible that this guy was a genuine right-wing moron. But knowing how the Left operates, I am rather sceptical of that, especially since we have two very similar incidents in a relatively short time. EDIT: Consider also things I noted here.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

This scum seems to be a 18 yo zoomer who got in with some bad people on the 'Plateland' Discord and who bought into the 'white genocide' bullshit spouted by some fringe asshats.

He was specifically targeting blacks, from what it sounds like, and took inspiration from the Christchurch shooters, Breivek, that fuckatrd Roof, and other WN/WS shootings in the last few years.

And yet his first victim was allegedoy white? And the New Zealand Shooter was an eco terrorist who admitted in his Manifesto he made it about white supremacy so he could hopefully kick off a war that would kill enough people to heal the environment.

Im not convinced this autist is a white supremacist. I think he's a Fed asset that got activated ahead of the mid terms since a lot of Maga people use discord to organize for candidates and in the coming election the Uniparty is nervous as hell about eating a total loss to a tea party type movement that they can't Co opt.

This is another FBI false flag.

Especially when the kid himself was as others have noted a raving socialist before he suddenly "saw the light".

I lived through insurgent type right wing violence, you guys haven't since Oklahoma and Columbine.

I know what it looks like and it's usually pretty damn indiscriminate because they tend to.blame everyone for society going as bad as it does.

If this guy was for real, he would have just opened fire at anyone with families because nothing creates future soldiers like more orphans who saw their parents get killed. At least, in their demented minds.


Thats how they did it in South America. It wasnt about beating the commies for the future of la Republica, it was about making the very notion of thinking about communism impossible because to think about it meant one of your neighbors would blow up your house.

The militias and vigilantes wanted to create a state of sheer terror where to think of anything progressive became anathema.

McVeigh had the same mindset too. He was the closest thing ya'll had to real right wing terror and there are legal scholars who still think he was a Fed asset

This is just a sperg button man for a glowie who probably had sex with him who went off the rez after being activated.

It's not really probably that there's a false flag. There have been loads of mass shootings before, some of which were even more bizarrely suspicious than this one (Vegas comes to mind).

Man the Vegas shooting will forever go down as one of the weirdest mass shooting events in history and I'm still not convinced he wasn't a professional.

 

[Bacle]

Look, I may be paranoid here, but I know how UDBA worked in Yugoslavia. They did shit like that all the time: send a few of their agents, murder somebody, and then ascribe that to nationalists. Or find a bunch of nationalists, push them to extremism, and then incite violence through their agents and again blame it on nationalists. In fact, I suspect a lot of Ustashi crimes might well be Partisan crimes that were ascribed to Ustashi post-facto, but that is a topic for another thread if you want to discuss it.

Yes, it is possible that this guy was a genuine right-wing moron. But knowing how the Left operates, I am rather sceptical of that, especially since we have two very similar incidents in a relatively short time. EDIT: Consider also things I noted here.

And yet his first victim was allegedoy white? And the New Zealand Shooter was an eco terrorist who admitted in his Manifesto he made it about white supremacy so he could hopefully kick off a war that would kill enough people to heal the environment.

Im not convinced this autist is a white supremacist. I think he's a Fed asset that got activated ahead of the mid terms since a lot of Maga people use discord to organize for candidates and in the coming election the Uniparty is nervous as hell about eating a total loss to a tea party type movement that they can't Co opt.

This is another FBI false flag.

Especially when the kid himself was as others have noted a raving socialist before he suddenly "saw the light".

I lived through insurgent type right wing violence, you guys haven't since Oklahoma and Columbine.

I know what it looks like and it's usually pretty damn indiscriminate because they tend to.blame everyone for society going as bad as it does.

If this guy was for real, he would have just opened fire at anyone with families because nothing creates future soldiers like more orphans who saw their parents get killed. At least, in their demented minds.


Thats how they did it in South America. It wasnt about beating the commies for the future of la Republica, it was about making the very notion of thinking about communism impossible because to think about it meant one of your neighbors would blow up your house.

The militias and vigilantes wanted to create a state of sheer terror where to think of anything progressive became anathema.

McVeigh had the same mindset too. He was the closest thing ya'll had to real right wing terror and there are legal scholars who still think he was a Fed asset

This is just a sperg button man for a glowie who probably had sex with him who went off the rez after being activated.



Man the Vegas shooting will forever go down as one of the weirdest mass shooting events in history and I'm still not convinced he wasn't a professional.

Yes, yes, everything that could make the Right look bad a glowie op.

And you all wonder why it's hard to convince people in the middle that the Right actually cares about cleaning house of actual racist scum, when any time one go off it's damn near automatically labelled a 'glowie false flag'.

So much easier to blame nebulous glowie ops than maybe admit the fringe racists of the Right have more power and pull than most of us would like to admit.

 

[Cherico]

looks like a false flag to me.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Yes, yes, everything that could make the Right look bad a glowie op.

And you all wonder why it's hard to convince people in the middle that the Right actually cares about cleaning house of actual racist scum, when any time one go off it's damn near automatically labelled a 'glowie false flag'.

So much easier to blame nebulous glowie ops than maybe admit the fringe racists of the Right have more power and pull than most of us would like to admit.

Surely you can understand why a guy dumping a giant manifesto riddled with references to every left wing bugaboo from the past several years, who claims to have done all this because he bought into the whole "Great Replacement" theory and decided the best way to fight it was to personally run around shooting people would at least sound questionable to people?

Most people, being mentally sound decent human beings, simply can't put themselves into the shoes of a guy like this. His actions are completely insane and have zero chance of doing anything to address his purported goals, because he's insane, but since other people aren't crazy they start trying to latch onto any set of facts that actually does make any sort of logical sense, and a false flag is the most sensible theory most people might have heard of actually fits here.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Yes, yes, everything that could make the Right look bad a glowie op.

When its an 18 year old aspie with a history of leftwing radicalism who got groomed by discord trannies? Copying a dude who specifically said he was trying go kick off a race war not so that white New Zealanders could be saved but so that the environment would be saved from overpopulation?

Yes, it absolutely stinks of FBI nonsense.

And you all wonder why it's hard to convince people in the middle that the Right actually cares about cleaning house of actual racist scum, when any time one go off it's damn near automatically labelled a 'glowie false flag'.

We don't have a moral obligation to acknowledge a tiny and disenfranchised minority that more often than not are socialists any way just to appease people who really won't embrace our ideology and are joining the right with the arrogant notion that we both need saving and uplifting from our backwards morals by the enlightened centrist.

take a look around you Bacle, every Republican who moves to the left loses, every Republican who punches to his right gets primaried.

Everyone who digs in and says "no, we wont alter who we are to appease disaffected leftists. We tried that in the 70s to contain Reagan and we ended up with Mitch McConnel." Is winning.

The most popular and influential voices in alt media and new media and old media are all guys like Michael Savage, Salty, Tucker Carlson, Red Eagle, Schaeffer and so on.

We are winning.

And we will continue to win as long as we don't engage in ritualized self harm to show how racist we aren't.

So much easier to blame nebulous glowie ops than maybe admit the fringe racists of the Right have more power and pull than most of us would like to admit.

I mean it's not like the Feds haven't done this before, repeatedly since 1999 or anything.

16 year Olds not affiliated with street gangs buy body armor all the time Bacle.

 

[Bacle]

Surely you can understand why a guy dumping a giant manifesto riddled with references to every left wing bugaboo from the past several years, who claims to have done all this because he bought into the whole "Great Replacement" theory and decided the best way to fight it was to personally run around shooting people would at least sound questionable to people?

Most people, being mentally sound decent human beings, simply can't put themselves into the shoes of a guy like this. His actions are completely insane and have zero chance of doing anything to address his purported goals, because he's insane, but since other people aren't crazy they start trying to latch onto any set of facts that actually does make any sort of logical sense, and a false flag is the most sensible theory most people might have heard of actually fits here.

When its an 18 year old aspie with a history of leftwing radicalism who got groomed by discord trannies? Copying a dude who specifically said he was trying go kick off a race war not so that white New Zealanders could be saved but so that the environment would be saved from overpopulation?

Yes, it absolutely stinks of FBI nonsense.




We don't have a moral obligation to acknowledge a tiny and disenfranchised minority that more often than not are socialists any way just to appease people who really won't embrace our ideology and are joining the right with the arrogant notion that we both need saving and uplifting from our backwards morals by the enlightened centrist.

take a look around you Bacle, every Republican who moves to the left loses, every Republican who punches to his right gets primaried.

Everyone who digs in and says "no, we wont alter who we are to appease disaffected leftists. We tried that in the 70s to contain Reagan and we ended up with Mitch McConnel." Is winning.

The most popular and influential voices in alt media and new media and old media are all guys like Michael Savage, Salty, Tucker Carlson, Red Eagle, Schaeffer and so on.

We are winning.

And we will continue to win as long as we don't engage in ritualized self harm to show how racist we aren't.




I mean it's not like the Feds haven't done this before, repeatedly since 1999 or anything.

16 year Olds not affiliated with street gangs buy body armor all the time Bacle.

Oh please, this isn't about not understanding, or not wanting to understand, the monstrous logic of this scums actions, and you know it.

It's about trying to find a way to blame anything but the fringe of racists on the Right, that many want to deny even exists, can influence young minds to do this sort of thing.

Just like the Left love to jump to blaming the gun, the Right loves to jump to blaming 'glowie false flags'.

I've had too many close connections to mass shootings in CO for me to be willing to put up with that sort of bullshit denial of reality; sometimes people just go psycho for reasons a normal or even semi-normal mind rejects.

But go ahead and keep giving them top-cover for their willful denial of reality.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

It's about trying to find a way to blame anything but the fringe of racists on the Right, that many want to deny even exists, can influence young minds to do this sort of thing.

Bacle, you don't understand our psychology.

No one on the right who isn't a cuckservative cares enough about our retards and their violent actions to bother trying to absolve ourselves of it.

We do more to dismiss them by foregoing the apology ritual and refusing to acknowledge their existence.

Because they don't matter, they don't represent us and when you undergo a ritualized form of denunciation you only serve to tether yourself to them.

If he was one of ours, we wouldn't care. We'd mock the fuck out of him and move on.

We don't engage in "doesnt represent us or our values" nonsense.

Losers do that, victims do that, weaklings do that. Movements headed towards extinction do that.

That's why we laugh when Neocons do it and condemn us for not doing it. It's a recruitment drive for real conservatives, small government advocates, the remeerging religious right and the New Right and Libertarians who aren't controlled opposition every single time those idiots display such public weakness.

 

[Aldarion]

Yes, yes, everything that could make the Right look bad a glowie op.

And you all wonder why it's hard to convince people in the middle that the Right actually cares about cleaning house of actual racist scum, when any time one go off it's damn near automatically labelled a 'glowie false flag'.

So much easier to blame nebulous glowie ops than maybe admit the fringe racists of the Right have more power and pull than most of us would like to admit.

Yes, because literally ticking off every single checkbox on what Left believes the Right to be is not suspicious at all. Especially since Left has used such false flag tactics in the past, in multiple situations and contexts.

As I have said, it is indeed possible that he was genuine. But there are good reasons to believe the opposite, and since I know how the Left operates (UDBA, KOS etc.), I find such a scenario rather likely. And self-flagellation is not going to help us win against the Left anyway.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Let's condense this into bullet points and to the mods, this isn't a Chan post it's a list.

>Be a teenaged KBGTQWTFLMAO redditor

>Admire noted eco terrorists like the Christ Church shooter.

>Not affiliated with any local roughs yet still spend several years acquiring body armor

>Your entire Manifesto is a plagiarization of multiple prior shooters half of which were human extinction movement adherents and entirely apolitical.

>The Media and the Feds are right there to pounce on it almost before the gun goes silent.

And you genuinely believe this isn't incredibly bizarre?

I refuse to own up to something I didn't do, nor that anyone on my side would be so stupid as to do.

As a general rule I believe those who give false confessions are as guilty as the thugs who coerce that false confession from them and tbe same applies to political factions who engage in such nonsense and I for one, will do no such thing.