Alternate History British Empire ISOT

[Quickdraw101]

In this scenario, on January 1st, 2020, all territories and nations that were under the dominion of the British Empire in 1921, find themselves thrown back in time to that same year. Meanwhile on that same day, the British Empire as it was in 1921 finds itself in our world. What would be the reactions of these modern countries being thrown back in time nearly a century ago? What would the reaction of the British be? What would be the economic and social repercussions of this ISOT on both our world and the British Empire? To make this scenario more interesting, all overseas military forces belonging to each country come along for the ride, the same goes for all overseas citizens as well. This includes satellites as well. All foreign military personnel and civilians find themselves transported back to their home countries.

 

[Erwin_Pommel]

China suddenly finds ancient records that claim India is rightful Chinamen clay?

Either way, oof, UK is fucked as it is either suddenly light on the advanced resources it needs to maintain its "vast" military-industrial or they're so far behind in tech that an African backwater poses a serious threat to them. Though, if they're smart (ha!) they could "quickly" establish themselves as quite the economy for advanced tech along with the other sent back western territories. India is certainly going to be having a few words with the Rising Sun as well.

 

[Deleted member]

The 1921 UK at least has the potential to rapidly offer substantially cheaper goods in many sectors now that it is uptime. The 2019 UK is, of course, the most powerful nation in the world in 1921, and that’s an issue for all kinds of socio-cultural reasons.

 

[Quickdraw101]

The 1921 UK at least has the potential to rapidly offer substantially cheaper goods in many sectors now that it is uptime. The 2019 UK is, of course, the most powerful nation in the world in 1921, and that’s an issue for all kinds of socio-cultural reasons.

What goods would the UK be best suited to offer? And what Issue is there with Britain being the strongest nation on the planet once more?

 

[Erwin_Pommel]

What goods would the UK be best suited to offer?

You know how pre-nuclear bomb warship wrecks are quite valuable in the medical industry for their steel? There might be a slight chance the 1921 UK would be able to mass-produce it, of course at the same time they might not be able to due to whatever makes modern steel useless in certain sectors. Then again, the fact they're even producing steel allows them to provide high-quality metal to the west and it'll be easier to sort out standards wise as there's no middle man of whatever the fresh hell the Chinese language is. Collectors might also be quite happy as this UK would be well suited to producing Sherman tank parts for the war museums. And, given a few years of retrofitting, you probably could readjust all the factories to make modern goods and reduce greatly on travel times and the risk of tariff wars with the eastern sweatshops.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I’m pretty sure that 2019/2020 UK would carry over its political and economic problems

No Brexit needed when there is no EU

That said, there will be a LOT of calling for the end of “Western Imperialism” ASAP

 

[Deleted member]

You know how pre-nuclear bomb warship wrecks are quite valuable in the medical industry for their steel? There might be a slight chance the 1921 UK would be able to mass-produce it, of course at the same time they might not be able to due to whatever makes modern steel useless in certain sectors. Then again, the fact they're even producing steel allows them to provide high-quality metal to the west and it'll be easier to sort out standards wise as there's no middle man of whatever the fresh hell the Chinese language is. Collectors might also be quite happy as this UK would be well suited to producing Sherman tank parts for the war museums. And, given a few years of retrofitting, you probably could readjust all the factories to make modern goods and reduce greatly on travel times and the risk of tariff wars with the eastern sweatshops.

Mostly, because wage expectations would be so depressed, Britain would become a nation of sweatshops in 2019; whereas 2019 Britain in 1921 would have the issue that its society is a degraded, modernist one, whose influence would be corruptive--or trigger a huge backlash from the still intact conservative movement of the era in other countries.

 

[Erwin_Pommel]

No Brexit needed when there is no EU

Speaking of that... The moment the economy sorts its self out somewhat, there will be a lot of 1921 nations telling 2019 Britain to do something about their little communist infestation in Labour and the """"Liberal"""" """"Democrats"""" otherwise they're gonna be stuck with just a fledgling USSR to trade with as most people really hated anything that even stank of communism back then.

Of course, at least our politicians would start acting in a more proper manner as now we wouldn't have an excuse to provoke an ever-escalating rhetoric. Though I would not be surprised if we ended up with a "Saviour" complex of sorts as we know what happens in Year X and so on, and given the deluded world view a lot of people have when it comes to helping people... Oof, someone is gonna wanna bomb Germany before 1939 I can guarantee that much.

BUTTERFLIES FOR EVERYONE!

 

[perfectgeneral]

someone is gonna wanna bomb Germany before 1939 I can guarantee that much.

Just one beer hall in Munich. A weird pocket of swamp gas in the building exploded. Tragic.

I think Global Climate Change will top the agenda. This is a pre-plastic coal energy world. Disposable is a dirty word.

 

[ATP]

2020 -most of african colonies quickly taken over by warlords/islamists,India dominated by China,Only Australia,Canada and possible South Africa survive under USA protection.England alone would be fine,nobody in Western Europe had balls to invade now.Most russian oligarchs vanished with modern London - some interesting time in Russia.

1921 - India take over China and dominate Asia.Maybe finish off soviets,certainly take at least part of Siberia.
Canada fall on itself.Australia - the same.But - USA take over their technology.
African countries - try to take over other african territories,or made jihad.How succesfull - probably entire Africa taken.
England - they still sre modern country,so they hold and even prosper.They could crush soviets if they wonted,or germans - but,probably fail to do both.

 

[stevep]

Just one beer hall in Munich. A weird pocket of swamp gas in the building exploded. Tragic.

I think Global Climate Change will top the agenda. This is a pre-plastic coal energy world. Disposable is a dirty word.

On the 2nd that would be a difficult call as while the 2020 Britain can demonstrate that its a future threat CO2 levels and temperatures are much lower so most of the 1921 world wouldn't be massively interested in change. Plus with so many oil producing areas, especially Nigeria and much of the Gulf - albeit Iraq is a bloody mess - there would be a hell of a lot of people looking toward using all that dirt cheap oil and gas.

I agree its a tragedy about that unfortunate accident in Munich.

 

[stevep]

2020 -most of african colonies quickly taken over by warlords/islamists,India dominated by China,Only Australia,Canada and possible South Africa survive under USA protection.England alone would be fine,nobody in Western Europe had balls to invade now.Most russian oligarchs vanished with modern London - some interesting time in Russia.

1921 - India take over China and dominate Asia.Maybe finish off soviets,certainly take at least part of Siberia.
Canada fall on itself.Australia - the same.But - USA take over their technology.
African countries - try to take over other african territories,or made jihad.How succesfull - probably entire Africa taken.
England - they still sre modern country,so they hold and even prosper.They could crush soviets if they wonted,or germans - but,probably fail to do both.

2020 - The US would probably be willing to aid Britain, Canada and Australia in coming up to date and with protection, for a price of course. Whether it would be drawn into any action to prevent someone [cough China, Iran cough] trying to seize parts of the Indian sub continent would be an issue. Still going to be an issue with all the vast differences in social values.
Going to be a quick decolonisation in Africa however as there would be too much pressure and 1921 Britain can't hope to hold against all the assorted up-time neighbours.

1921 - India might face opposition from Pakistan, which is also a nuclear power, and even Israel if they try and push too far. Plus with a loss of connections from large chunks of the 2020 world their going to see some economic disruption.
Canada and Australia should be fine and the former can handle any threat from the US at this point. Its likely they would link up to some degree with Britain for trade and mutual support.
Doubt there would be the political will in modern UK for a major intervention in the USSR, although possibly if its not fallen yet an attempt to maintain Ukraine as an independent state and possibly some of the other former SSRs if possible. Germany isn't a great issue at the moment. Although there could be some unfortunate accidents in Bavaria.
Agree that the African and parts of the Asian empire is going to be chaotic. Singapore is going to have an interesting time, as is 2020 Hong Kong!

 

[Buba]

Isreal is not red coloured?

1921:
Oh, the usual - economic collapse and chaos
To the general mess among UT countries add the DT countries losing their Reserve Currency, the Pound. US banks are screwed so much their screams are heard in a Galaxy Far, Far Away - Britain is NOT paying back WWI debt again. The US economy tanks, there is no wild Nineteen Twenties, no Great Depression.
FDR never gets elected for anything, BTW - his dictatorial leanings will be exposed (SCOTUS with how many justices?!?!), along with political blunders (e.g. self created depression of '37) and the fact that he is a cripple (hidden by the tame media of the time).
He will retain the backing of racists, though.

In 1921 the AGW bullshitters are laughed out of town - they no longer have the backing of their cronies in academia and media outside the UK. AGW will be given the treatment it deserves - a scientific THEORY - not a fact to kill one's industry over.

Sadly, I do not see any effort taken to kill the beast in the cradle - the genocidal USSR is allowed to coalesce and go on its murder sprees ...

2020:
Oh, the usual - economic collapse and chaos - although to a lesser degree affecting the ISOTs, but more the rest of the world which lost its providers of goods and services.
Think of the share India, UK, Canada have in international trade.

 

[Buba]

I forgot to add - Montreal is washed out into the sea.
In both cases.

I wonder how dependent on foreign (US) aid are the following 2020 states ISOTed to 1920:
- Isreal (which lost the Golan Heights, BTW)
- Pakistan

Honk Kong - now that's a hoot!
I imagine that in 1920 the people rulling the Special Economic Zone will go on a nation building spree in South China. The first move would be to confiscate all gold and silver, though, as to be able to buy food ...
In 2020 - the PRC just got a "Live Action Museum of Sweatshop and Compradore Capitalism from the Century of Humilation".

 

[ATP]

I forget about Izrael and Pakistan.So:
2020 - palestine grabbeb by arabs,muslim parts of India fall to China.
1920 - Izrael rule,and since right there belive in Great Izrael,they would conqer all till Eufrat - becouse dimwits really belive that Salomon state was that big.
Pakistani unite muslim world,and show infidel what jihad means.In few year we have war with Izrael,both countries burn.
India look and are happy to remain only superpower.