Boomers vs Armies of Sauron

[Scooby Doo]

Boomers Last Standing Various Apocalypti from Nellis seems like it could be a legitimate template for a plethora of Versus Ideas... not to mention CYOA's and Quest derivatives.

Tbf tho their main strength is distance, we see if you get in close that overwhelming numbers can result in their downfall (Legion victory ending)

 

[Husky_Khan]

Tbf tho their main strength is distance, we see if you get in close that overwhelming numbers can result in their downfall (Legion victory ending)

Yeah I saw that. With the Bomber of course the Legion doesn't take Nellis which leads me to personally think that overwhelming numbers is the reason the Legion can overcome them. The Bomber is impressive but I don't think on its own it could dramatically shift the balance of power the the Legion couldn't take Nellis when they could before.

Sure the Bomber could blast troop concentrations far away or whatever but the Legion seems pretty good at night operations and maneuvering whilst hidden, at least from giant WW2 era Bombers.

The Bomber seemed to have a potential terror/psychological factor in regards to the Legion. Or maybe it did move the needle of a cost benefit ratio too far (in Careers, not Lanius' case).

 

[ATP]

One million is a huge army that a medieval economy would not be able to support.

In the middle ages, armies were in the low tens of thousands at the most.

And I am pretty sure that all those not-Elephants and Orcs need more chow than your average horse and human.

Orcs were slaves.He could send them to fight,when others worked.
What you say is right only about his human servants.

 

[Agent23]

Tbf tho their main strength is distance, we see if you get in close that overwhelming numbers can result in their downfall (Legion victory ending)

The legion still used guns on numerous occasions, despite Caesar's loony little caricature of Darwinism and cheap pseudo-intellectualism.
They also incorporated bits and pieces of modern tech into their armor and actually knew how firearms and artillery worked.

That is not an advantage the Sauron forces have.

Orcs were slaves.He could send them to fight,when others worked.
What you say is right only about his human servants.

Orcs are larger and stronger than the average human, which means that they will need more food.
Slaves need to be fed, too, especially if you want them to take part in long sieges and marches and fights.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Meh. Minas Tirith was like located in the middle of nowhere with nary a farm in sight or even a food wagon. If we're handwaving logistics for the entirety of the movie I don't see why we can't permit Mordor to send a million Orcs to Nellis and just say they'll be fine with turning off Hardcore mode.

We want to discuss battles, not discussions on "Muh pig farms."

 

[Agent23]

Meh. Minas Tirith was like located in the middle of nowhere with nary a farm in sight or even a food wagon. If we're handwaving logistics for the entirety of the movie I don't see why we can't permit Mordor to send a million Orcs to Nellis and just say they'll be fine with turning off Hardcore mode.

We want to discuss battles, not discussions on "Muh pig farms."

Citation or Orc/Mordor troop strength and logistics and army size from the books needed!

 

[Husky_Khan]

Citation or Orc/Mordor troop strength and logistics and army size from the books needed!

Maybe you can go read them then and let us know.

 

[Agent23]

Maybe you can go read them then and let us know.

You are the one making a claim that a medieval fantasy book just ignores logistics, I am going by medieval army stats and logic, what are you going on, idle chatter coming from your own mouth?

 

[Husky_Khan]

You are the one making a claim that a medieval fantasy book just ignores logistics, I am going by medieval army stats and logic, what are you going on, idle chatter coming from your own mouth?

I didn't make any of those claims. Go back and read my post silly.

 

[ATP]

The legion still used guns on numerous occasions, despite Caesar's loony little caricature of Darwinism and cheap pseudo-intellectualism.
They also incorporated bits and pieces of modern tech into their armor and actually knew how firearms and artillery worked.

That is not an advantage the Sauron forces have.


Orcs are larger and stronger than the average human, which means that they will need more food.
Slaves need to be fed, too, especially if you want them to take part in long sieges and marches and fights.

Derpend on orks.Frodo and Sam in disguise joined unit of small orcs,and nobody recognized them.
And,in OTL,slaves in soviet gulags could work 12h per day eating some shitty bread and shitty soup.
Orcs could do the same - especially,that they could eat fallen.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Orcs are larger and stronger than the average human, which means that they will need more food.
Slaves need to be fed, too, especially if you want them to take part in long sieges and marches and fights.

In Tolkien works of fiction, orcs are typically regarded as being smaller and weaker than men. Technically speaking the 'orcs' are synonymous with goblins.

The Uruk-Hai are regarded as being at least on par with normal men, with their leader being the really big dude who is unquestionably stronger than a normal man.

 

[Buba]

Yup, in Tolkien orc=goblin. Very big goblin or orc = as big as an 'oomie.
Elf = taller and stronger than a human.
I detest the visuals in Warcraft ... guess why ...

 

[Agent23]

Yup, in Tolkien orc=goblin. Very big goblin or orc = as big as an 'oomie.
Elf = taller and stronger than a human.
I detest the visuals in Warcraft ... guess why ...

I played Warcraft before I read any Tolkien.

 

[ATP]

In Tolkien works of fiction, orcs are typically regarded as being smaller and weaker than men. Technically speaking the 'orcs' are synonymous with goblins.

The Uruk-Hai are regarded as being at least on par with normal men, with their leader being the really big dude who is unquestionably stronger than a normal man.

Indeed.We have only one battle when we /partially/ know about loses - When Eomer wiped out orcs who keep hobbits prisoners.
There was 80 Uruk-Hai,100 mordor orcs,and unit of Saruman orcs attacking from wood/unknown number/
They all died,killing 15 out of 120 Rohan riders.

So,orcs are weak here,Uruk Hai could at least fight humans,but still are worst.

 

[Buba]

I played Warcraft before I read any Tolkien.

I read LotR before Warcraft was written.
So there!


Back to topic - a single boomer provided with targeting information by Eagles or the Poophead's Secret Animal Scouts is enough to win the war - with MIRV's I'd say that 5-6 missiles are enough - one each for Umbar, the northern base, Orthanc and then a few for Mordor proper.

 

[Agent23]

I read LotR before Warcraft was written.
So there!


Back to topic - a single boomer provided with targeting information by Eagles or the Poophead's Secret Animal Scouts is enough to win the war - with MIRV's I'd say that 5-6 missiles are enough - one each for Umbar, the northern base, Orthanc and then a few for Mordor proper.

I came to Tolkien late, I had read lots of MilSF, Asimov, heinlein and Dune before.

The hobbit was a fun yet unremarkable childhsih book for me, and LotR itself felt quite dull.

 

[ATP]

I came to Tolkien late, I had read lots of MilSF, Asimov, heinlein and Dune before.

The hobbit was a fun yet unremarkable childhsih book for me, and LotR itself felt quite dull.

Probably becouse you do not seek through text.Sauron is basically mix of soviets and modern leftists trying to enslave free people.
It seems dull to you,becouse you live in world where Sauron win.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Probably becouse you do not seek through text.Sauron is basically mix of soviets and modern leftists trying to enslave free people.
It seems dull to you,becouse you live in world where Sauron win.

Evil can not create only corrupt

 

[Agent23]

Probably becouse you do not seek through text.Sauron is basically mix of soviets and modern leftists trying to enslave free people.
It seems dull to you,becouse you live in world where Sauron win.

No, because I was exposed to both excellent science fiction and some decent later fantasy before I ever encountered Tolkien.

I prefer science fiction to fantasy and I dislike the sugary, Nordic/English mythology he inflicted on the field and his characters excessive heroism.

Gimme Locke Lamora or Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, or Kugel, or the various denizens of Lovecraft's bestiary, or the weirdness and otherworldlyness of Zothique, or Conan or Kull or even that emo elf Razorfist claims inspired the Witcher.