Breaking News Bolivian Government Falls

Cherico

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I'm sure Venezuelan expeditionary corps is already preparing to depart, as soon as they secure fuel and food for the trip.

That isn't going to happen.

Let me explain why.


Bolivia is a landlocked country that is boardered by Peru, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, and Paraguay. Trying to inverviene navally isn't going to work because of that, even if the Venezuelan navy hadn't spent the last 20 or so years rotting and wasn't in horrible shape.

Going south to interveine, the direct approuch means going through Brazils rain forrest, a great defensive terrain that is filled with disease and oh yeah doing this means war with brazil...and no the Brazilians are not pussies if you invade their country they will fight back. And because of the defensive terrain on their own territory their going to win easily even when you take out all the other factors in their favor.

The next route involves invading Columbia....

I know that this doesnt come up a lot but Columbians are actually incredibly bad ass, their troops know how to fight back and Im pretty sure that in a war they beat venusala, so your next choice if you some how dont get murdered by the columbians is to either hug the coast line and give peru a chance to prepare for your arival with 'fun times' or just invade Peru.

You are now at war with two countries now congratulations if you some how arrived in Bolivia now your on the other side of a civil war that your boys lost. You either at war with the continants natural hedgemon. Or your at war with at least 2 other countries. You get to enjoy the fact that your logistics network is being cut apart by partizans as the national armies of these countries get ready to kick your shit in.


In other words Vensula can say what they want they dont have the logistics, numbers, or money to pull off an intervention and any attempt to try it ends with either a columbian/puru coalition or brazil 'liberating' their country.
 

Lanmandragon

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why is it that socialist governments always seem to need to be removed with force?
Socialism is a relgion in Alot of ways. It's just secular in nature so even when the failures become glaringly obvious. They will continue to pursue it regardless due to willful ignorance and massive corruption (due to human nature). It also seems to act almost like a drug getting people on welfare. Then managing to make that multigenerational with the illusion of dependence. Perpetuating itself until it totally destroys everything like a virus. So Socialism is a rlgious drug virus. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Socialism is a relgion in Alot of ways. It's just secular in nature so even when the failures become glaringly obvious. They will continue to pursue it regardless due to willful ignorance and massive corruption (due to human nature). It also seems to act almost like a drug getting people on welfare. Then managing to make that multigenerational with the illusion of dependence. Perpetuating itself until it totally destroys everything like a virus. So Socialism is a rlgious drug virus. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

I think you’re forgetting the Romanticism of an exaggerated past wherein supposedly, it really did massively help former-socialist nations
 

CarlManvers2019

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No that's part of the religious angle. There's near always a mytholigized "great past" in any given faith. Socialism is no different.

Yeah, I know, we already even hot a member who may as well be the Religious Right essentially going on about “moral degradation” and talking as if before porn was accepted, that society was way better or way purer
 

Tyzuris

Primarch to your glory& the glory of him on Earth!
Bernie Sanders couldn't resist being his usual hack self and defend yet another undemocratic hardman leftist ruler.


Sure when someone fiddles with election results unfairly and is a socialist, in Bernie's head it is a coup against his precious comrade. He even has the gall to demand the US to keep his undemocratic comrade in power after getting caught his pants down rigging the election.

Bernie Sanders proving himself to be a big joke some people manage to take seriously.
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Bernie Sanders couldn't resist being his usual hack self and defend yet another undemocratic hardman leftist ruler.


Sure when someone fiddles with election results unfairly and is a socialist, in Bernie's head it is a coup against his precious comrade. He even has the gall to demand the US to keep his undemocratic comrade in power after getting caught his pants down rigging the election.

Bernie Sanders proving himself to be a big joke some people manage to take seriously.

As the saying goes rules for thee but not for me.
 
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Big Steve

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You're not thinking from that POV, which holds that the US is constantly undermining and destroying leftist governments even if they were democratically elected, so Morales' fall is seen in that light: the result of American pressure and machinations, not a legitimate movement of the Bolivian people.
 

Urabrask Revealed

Let them go.
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You're not thinking from that POV, which holds that the US is constantly undermining and destroying leftist governments even if they were democratically elected, so Morales' fall is seen in that light: the result of American pressure and machinations, not a legitimate movement of the Bolivian people.
The usual "These peons don't know what's good for them, unlike us, their enlightened betters!" spiel? Typical of them.
 

Cherico

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You're not thinking from that POV, which holds that the US is constantly undermining and destroying leftist governments even if they were democratically elected, so Morales' fall is seen in that light: the result of American pressure and machinations, not a legitimate movement of the Bolivian people.


or we are just warning them about all the other times shit has gone horribly wrong over the 100 years they have been trying this shit.
 

Morphic Tide

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or we are just warning them about all the other times shit has gone horribly wrong over the 100 years they have been trying this shit.
Thing is the enormous majority of those times had the US pushing it off the cliff in one way or another. The USSR being the biggest exception, as that one destroyed itself trying to keep up.
 

Big Steve

For the Republic!
Founder
The usual "These peons don't know what's good for them, unlike us, their enlightened betters!" spiel? Typical of them.

Y'know, I don't even support that rhetoric of "It's always the US' fault when a socialist government fails or falls", but this response is just... I'm not sure if it's arrogance, ignorance, or what have you.

I get that you're probably referring, specifically, to the Bolivia situation, where there were mass demonstrations in the streets, and the perceptions that Morales lost democratic appeal. But that doesn't at all address the idea that American officials and private actors deliberately exploit any situation to destabilize and destroy "socialist" economies to further American economic interests. That idea's not predicated on "we're more enlightened than the locals and know what's better for them", it's based on "Americans are a hegemonistic power hostile to socialism for interfering with economic gains, so they go out to wreck any socialist government they find, especially in Latin America". Just because the latter isn't true doesn't mean you can dismiss it as being the former.

And at this point I'm starting to become skeptical of the change myself, not in "America caused it!", but the idea it's a democratic revolution, given we're now getting news of the Army firing on pro-Morales protestors. It doesn't justify electoral fraud, obviously, but it doesn't mean Bolivia's going to be better off be cause Morales is gone.
 

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