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Star Wars Bo Katan and the Mantle of Leadership.
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I dunno.
1. He's broken the Creed, which pretty much flushes his credibility in the eyes of the Children of the Watch.
2. Satine's faction were all aboard with her "hyper-pacificism to the point of absolute stupidity", so any surviving remnants are likely to be just as stubbornly idiotic.
Din might end up being the right man at the right time, simply for the reason that he ends up being a contender for leadership out of circumstantial pressure rather than desire for power. In a few seasons, that is. And for that to work he'd need the support of Bo Katan's faction, and for that to happen Bo herself would need to change, ie. she would need to realize that she can do more as a king maker and "power behind the throne" than by botching it all, again, in her one hundred and eleventh try at it herself. Which, while making for interesting character growth, really isn't something I see happening.
As for Boba, he's a "simple man trying to make his way in the galaxy", and I think he's far more comfortable being a warlord/crime lord on Tatooine where matters are more or less local and straightforward, and where he's in an environment he's comfortable in. I don't think he'll try to become Mandalore, for the sole reason that he really doesn't give a rat's ass about it.
As for Boba, he's a "simple man trying to make his way in the galaxy", and I think he's far more comfortable being a warlord/crime lord on Tatooine where matters are more or less local and straightforward, and where he's in an environment he's comfortable in. I don't think he'll try to become Mandalore, for the sole reason that he really doesn't give a rat's ass about it.
I will point out that we don't know the details of the Great Purge, other than the obvious implication that it was an Imperial counteroffensive which followed the story arc from Star Wars: Rebels in which the protagonists convinced Bo-Katan to openly align Mandalore with the Alliance. It's clear that the Empire responded with a massive counteroffensive that absolutely decimated the Mandalorians, including large-scale orbital bombardment and possibly even a full-fledged BDZ operation.
I'm not sure I'm convinced that this was necessarily bad leadership on the part of Bo-Katan, since it was basically "being steamrolled by Acts of Plot". We'll probably find out a lot more in Season 3. My admittedly cynical guess is that the Alliance's leaders allowed their own bias against Mandalore to justify failing to provide support for the Mandalorian rebels, or possibly even actively selling them out.
I'm not sure I'm convinced that this was necessarily bad leadership on the part of Bo-Katan, since it was basically "being steamrolled by Acts of Plot". We'll probably find out a lot more in Season 3. My admittedly cynical guess is that the Alliance's leaders allowed their own bias against Mandalore to justify failing to provide support for the Mandalorian rebels, or possibly even actively selling them out.
The Mandalorians were better off remaining a Neutral Planet. Siding with the Alliance put a big giant ass target on their backs which bit them in the ass. We all know the Empire was evil as shit. But that does not make the New Republic any better. They are bad from the perspective of just being plain out incompetent. They are trying to push the same failed governmental ideas that made the Old Republic fail in the end. What I see going forward will more than likely being some other person becoming Mandalore. Din does not want the job clearly. Bo had it at one point but shit went down on her watch and her fault or not generally you don't get second chances after disasters that large. So someone who is wise, tactically smart and inspiring is who needs to be the new Mandalore. We might see that person show up in Season 3.
If she really aligned Mandalore with the Alliance at a point when the Empire still ruled supreme rather than staying neutral she has the political capabilities of a pile of bricks and clearly is incapable of holding a position of responsibility for billions of people. Yeah, SW is a universe where the fate of all tends to be decided in personal combat, one way or another, but this just shows a person whose judgement doesn't measure up to her desires.
Like I said, I hesitate to blame background characters for having Act of Plot inflicted on them by protagonist characters. Especially in a franchise where pretty much the entire universe has always run on protagonist act-of-plot.
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If I remember my Rebels clearly, most of the Mandalore storyline involved Sabine Wren and Bo Katan and friends killing Imperials and Mandalorians affiliated with the Imperials like Clan Saxon. Gaining independence therefore strongly implies your against the Empire, because to even have the option of choosing for yourself requires removing the Empire from your planet. So her having the political capabilities of a brick would be immaterial. By refusing to follow Clan Saxon and his Imperial Masters, they instead threw off the Imperials and chose their own destiny. Therefore any choice for her and the Mandalorians was already set. Neutrality simply wasn't an option.
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KilroywasNOTHere
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This. The only thing that palpatine's empire had in common with the ancient sith empire was a name. He didn't care about having equals or even subjects. Just tools and resources. There was no way mandalore could have stayed neutral. Heck they probably would have been used as a test subject for a doomsday device BECAUSE of their warrior culture.
Still Bo is not one to talk about what makes a "True mando" considering she has a history of getting her butt kicked and then slinking off to ask for help from the winning side.
It's hillarious how she called Maul an outsider when he had no problem scheming with her to kill HER OWN sister literally a couple of minutes before. Granted I'm having to pull a bit from legends here but a true mando would have teased and mocked the pacifist satine (probably make mocking songs referring to her as mandalore the meek) but you can bet your Beskar once invaders stepped on the planets they'd still fight for their mandalore whether she liked it or not. that is until someone chalanged her to combat.
but in any case. Bo katan wanted to have her uj cake and eat it to and there is no way any mandlore worth his or her salt would have accepted that.
Yeah, except notice the distinct horns on the Armorer's helmet? They make it explicitly clear that Din's covert came from the portion of Death Watch that was loyal to Maul.
(Although why the Armorer has a Maul loyalist helmet while apparently only having a vague idea what the Jedi are does raise its own questions.)
(Although why the Armorer has a Maul loyalist helmet while apparently only having a vague idea what the Jedi are does raise its own questions.)
If you're pulling from Legends, the Mandalorians have a LONG history of working with the Sith -- it would not be an exaggeration to say that the Sith are among the Mandalorians' most preferred customers. Hell, the Sith orientation kit probably includes an official Mandalorian rewards card. The good kind, not just the little punch cards they hand out to everyone (good for a free Basilisk War Droid after your ninth purchase!)
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If I recall, in the old EU Boba Fett had about as much interest in the title as he does here, but he ended up there anyway (much to his chagrin. Fate is a bitch, but the heirs of Cassus Fett could only ever rule). I personally think the legendary bounter, the most feared non-force sensitive being in the galaxy, at least is a contender according to the Mandalorian warrior ethos. Not to mention in his long years of bounty hunting and haggling for prices across the galaxy, Boba is likely better at diplomacy than most of his kind. This is a man who could hang around Vader and not get into trouble.
Whilst he has acquired his own throne, Boba could well build a power base that catapults him (unwillingly) to "Mandalore the Redeemer." Stranger things have happened in history.
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my point being even by Legends standards she's too spinless and wishy washy for a mandolorian. She's willing to scheme with outsiders but isn't willing to acknowledge them as equals when they prove so. On the flipside she's willing to disown her sister to the point of assassinating her but is willing to do stuff in her name when it suits her. In short she's in it for herself even at the EXPENSE of her own which is a huge no no.
Pick a lane and stick with it lady.
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Disowning Satine was honestly pretty justified, given that Satine literally wanted to enact a version of the Morgenthau Plan against her own people in order to permanently eradicate Mandalorian culture and society. The only reason Satine is seen positively by anyone is that the Republic is more than happy to see one of its traditional enemies commit cultural suicide and the Jedi are all too willing to go along with the Republic's bias, plus Obi-Wan has the hots for her and therefore refuses to ever call her on her hypocritical bullshit.
Sounds romantic. /Anakin
Honesty Thought Obi-Wan and Bo had some chemistry. When I was planning 'Anakins Rebellion' I had Obi-Wan leading the Rebellions efforts on Mandalore with Ashoka. And there would be some friction with Bo Katan.
It'd of been better if Bo had some chemistry with Anakin. I'm not endorsing spousal abuse but... I mean sometimes you need to slap some sense into people and those two could've gone slaphappy on each other with impunity and avoided a lot of headaches later on. 
Perhaps no turn to the dark side, then again if Satine lived maybe we could have had some Young Kenobis running around in Mando armorIt'd of been better if Bo had some chemistry with Anakin. I'm not endorsing spousal abuse but... I mean sometimes you need to slap some sense into people and those two could've slaphappy on each other with impunity and avoided a lot of headaches later on.