ISOT Blood Angels Legion in Star Trek.

[Tyzuris]

Assume system containing Baal gets transported along with the entire Blood Angels Legion and their needed industry to provide them the wargear they require is transported to border between Romular and Federation space.

And assume the Blood Angels are at their peak with 150000 Astartes, 300 Capital Ships and 600 Escorts. For convenience's sake, assume the fleet has 60 battleships, 240 cruisers, 300 destroyers and 300 frigates.

Sanguinius is there to act as leader of both his Legion and Baal system.

How will this affect the Star Trek verse? Assume this happens halfway through The Next Generation - series.

 

[Sailor.X]

Just a question. Why are all these threads putting 40K Forces in the TNG Era. If you want a real fight Pick the 25th Century or 26th Century or you know the Temporal Cold War Federation. That would be more fair.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Probably because no one really cares about or knows anything about the 25th or 26th Century Federation or the "Temporal Cold War" Federation. 😛

 

[Sailor.X]

Probably because no one really cares about or knows anything about the 25th or 26th Century Federation or the "Temporal Cold War" Federation. 😛

Lore on the 25th Century Federation and Alpha/Beta Quadrant has been around for 10 years now. Including books and story blogs.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

Personally I'd be curious if the Blood Angels view Earth as Terra or just "Earth", yet another world the human inhabitance have, in their arrogance, given to an unrelated rock. From what I remember no one outside of the God-Emperor remotely remembers what a non-polluted, overly industrialized Earth even look like so they may not even realize its the essentially same Earth of old that The Emperor sprang from in their own history.

Assuming they don't just declare a crusade to retake "Terra", with 900 ships the Blood Angels will cleave a nice sized fiefdom from the Romulan Star Empire and Federation as the Borg suddenly become a distant 2nd on the Federation's priority list. Even an Escort will take a fleet of ships to whittle down and just two short years after the Wolf 359 incident Starfleet is still too thinly spread out/under equipped which is going to be disastrous in the short-run as the Federation and Romulans get bloodied something fierce for the first few months.

In this timeline rather than being mothballed until the discovery of the Dominion, I expect the Defiant class will be rushed into production teething problems and all and something not unlike the Akira-class may see the light of day sooner. Short-term I would expect Starfleet to gut their torpedoes of everything they can and just filled to the brim with as much M/AM as they can.

On the geo-political front I could honestly see Gowron, who always was a self-serving opportunist, trying to pull a Putin and rebuild the former glory of the Great Klingon Empire (tm) with the other two of the "Big Three" of the Alpha/Beta Quadrant being weakened and distracted so using a carefully constructed neutrality for all sides and absorbing the non-human populated table scraps left behind by the Blood Angels. Rattling sabers at the Federation for old grievances, real or imagined, while reminding them they can hardly afford a second front.

I could also see the Cardassians winning big in this timeline. With the Federation so stressed for manpower and time, there would be little stopping Cardassia from reoccupying Bajor or a demilitarized zone the Federation no longer has the capability to enforce. It wouldn't even be surprising if the Federation encourages this to an extent as a "stabilizing" measure to region

 

[Agent23]

Just a question. Why are all these threads putting 40K Forces in the TNG Era. If you want a real fight Pick the 25th Century or 26th Century or you know the Temporal Cold War Federation. That would be more fair.

Maybe because:
a) We all actually know the TNG/DS9/VOY era, as opposed to the ENT/STD temporal cold war crap.
b) STD and Pukeard are garbage and people can not stand them.

Seriously, I have no idea what is going on with Bad Robot's overpriced, unwatchable fanfiction, Trek ended with These are the Voyages, and I wouldn't mind if somehow a lot of TNG's first few seasons, Voyager and most of the crap B&B pulled, like the Temporal Cold War bullshit, got Thanos snapped, thank you very much.

 

[Aldarion]

Lore on the 25th Century Federation and Alpha/Beta Quadrant has been around for 10 years now. Including books and story blogs.

And only somebody positively obsessed with Star Trek will have been aware of it. And if you mean Discovery and Picard, that is just worthless garbage that... see my point about Star Trek obsession.

 

[Buba]

I could also see the Cardassians winning big in this timeline.

LOL!
My first thought was -"what is that bunch of lardass chics doing there?" as my mind saw Kardashians.

 

[ATP]

Assume system containing Baal gets transported along with the entire Blood Angels Legion and their needed industry to provide them the wargear they require is transported to border between Romular and Federation space.

And assume the Blood Angels are at their peak with 150000 Astartes, 300 Capital Ships and 600 Escorts. For convenience's sake, assume the fleet has 60 battleships, 240 cruisers, 300 destroyers and 300 frigates.

Sanguinius is there to act as leader of both his Legion and Baal system.

How will this affect the Star Trek verse? Assume this happens halfway through The Next Generation - series.

You knew,that without Sanguinius and his Chapter,Horus would win? you just gave WH30 Galaxy to Chaos.
Unless...send one chapter who would fall to Chaos ,too.
Preferably - near Cardassians,so they could not profit from entire mess.

 

[Sailor.X]

And only somebody positively obsessed with Star Trek will have been aware of it. And if you mean Discovery and Picard, that is just worthless garbage that... see my point about Star Trek obsession.

Pot Kettle Black. That is rich from a 40K fan.

 

[Agent23]

Pot Kettle Black. That is rich from a 40K fan.

Nothing GW had done even comes close to the stupidity that Bad Robot has pulled.

 

[Aldarion]

Pot Kettle Black. That is rich from a 40K fan.

Average 40k is head and shoulders above everything Star Trek has produced after the Enterprise.

 

[Sailor.X]

Average 40k is head and shoulders above everything Star Trek has produced after the Enterprise.

Nothing GW had done even comes close to the stupidity that Bad Robot has pulled.

You laugh now but Amazon is about to wokefy 40K on TV. And you will be crying soon enough.

 

[Aldarion]

You laugh now but Amazon is about to wokefy 40K on TV. And you will be crying soon enough.

Oh, I know. Though Trek has always been progressive. I have hard time imagining Amazon wokefying 40k and it resembling in any shape or form the original product. Kinda like Rings of Power.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

Nothing GW had done even comes close to the stupidity that Bad Robot has pulled.

Well not being as stupid as "Bad Robot" isn't exactly a high bar to surpass. Through I find the implication that it requires a "Star Trek obsession" to even be aware of them when, to the extent that they were designed to appeal to anyone, Discovery and Picard were aimed more for a casual crowd rather than any diehard fans. That it is Trek made for people who don't like Star Trek.

And, for better or worse, series like Picard or Discovery are almost certainly closer to mainstream awareness and thus less "obscure" than most anything in 40K.

 

[Agent23]

Well not being as stupid as "Bad Robot" isn't exactly a high bar to surpass. Through I find the implication that it requires a "Star Trek obsession" to even be aware of them when, to the extent that they were designed to appeal to anyone, Discovery and Picard were aimed more for a casual crowd rather than any diehard fans. That it is Trek made for people who don't like Star Trek.

And, for better or worse, series like Picard or Discovery are almost certainly closer to mainstream awareness and thus less "obscure" than most anything in 40K.

For something aimed at a casual crows both STD and Pukard underperformed massively.

The existing fans dropped them, the "Mythical Wider Audience" doesn't care about them.

So, yeah, only someone still dedicated to the franchise would give a fuck about dumb crap like the TCW.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

For something aimed at a casual crows both STD and Pukard underperformed massively.

The existing fans dropped them, the "Mythical Wider Audience" doesn't care about them.

So, yeah, only someone still dedicated to the franchise would give a fuck about dumb crap like the TCW.

So do you count yourself among those dedicated? You clearly "give a fuck" about it, if only in a negative sense and are at least passingly familiar with Picard and Discovery. Indeed you seem to be more passionate about it then me someone who considers himself something of a Trek fan.

 

[Agent23]

So do you count yourself among those dedicated? You clearly "give a fuck" about it, if only in a negative sense and are at least passingly familiar with Picard and Discovery. Indeed you seem to be more passionate about it then me someone who considers himself something of a Trek fan.

Nice attempt at sophistry there, but you fail, somebody who is into shit is not the same as someone who is aware of the existence of a septic pit close by.
The skatologist wants to know about it to fulfill his dirty fetishes, the normal person wants to avoid it.
Keep trying though, you might manage a good comeback, eventually.

I know what the TCW is because of ENT, which was kinda-sorta watchable for the most part.

I one episode of STD and 2-3 of Pukeard, then fast forwarded through some more Pukeard to see Jeri Ryan snogging the Mary Sue of color, and a few youtubers covering the Hollywoke epidemic do bring up some of the dumber shit that happens.

And I did have to stomach the Daniels crap in ENT, I only watched because I had hopes for Many Cotto fixing that shit, but he never got enough time to flence it out.

 

[S'task]

Firstly, 25th Century Federation isn't really covered by Picard, that's more the realm of Star Trek Online... Which is of dubious canon granted, but has contributed more to official canon than most secondary sources have. That said, I also understand why folks tend to prefer the TNG era for setting these scenarios: we have good information on era that is more expansive and easily accessed without having to wade through anywhere near as much garbage.

Secondly... this scenario would utterly destabilize the entire playout of the era... at least until 2387 when they, the Romulans, and probably a large chunk of the Breen get wiped out due to the Hobbus event.

By placing the Blood Angels on the border between the RSE and Federation this means they will no longer have as much contact. This will likely end up preventing the events of Reunification and the eventual softening of Romulan/Federation relations that played out. Further, as other notes, this hostile power, assuming they don't try and conquer Earth thus forcing the Federation into an existential war, will still force the Federation into a major retool of the fleet as well as a major refocus on the Federation core (something a lot of people forget is that the RSE is actually the CLOSEST hostile power to the Federation's core:

As others noted, this likely means the Federation not having the resources to set up on Terok Nor and likely the Cardassians continuing to hold Bajor. Without the Federation taking it over, the Wormhole will not be discovered, and without the Wormhole the Dominion War will not be triggered for another hundred or two-hundred years (as per the Founders original timeline).

What this FURTHER means is there's no thawing of Romulan/Federation relationships due to shared wartime efforts... the Romulans never have a coup that even further weakens them and their central government... and thus...

Spock has no reason, or ability, to intervene with the Hobbus event, thus the propagation wave from that will continue to spread out until it hits Federation space which will use Red Matter to break up the wave as much as possible preserving itself, while the Blood Angels and Romulans are basically completely eliminated by the event as neither has the technology to counteract it.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

while the Blood Angels and Romulans are basically completely eliminated by the event as neither has the technology to counteract it.

This presumed the Librarians don't prescience a way out let alone the Blood Angel's Primarch.