And here we go into utter absurdity again. Germany has no titanium mines, no allies with titanium mines (Japan has titanium ore but no mines until we’ll post war) and there’s all of…maybe four or five chemists in the world who know how to refine titanium, none of them German.
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Do not matter.Even if germans could made working 800mm AA gun,it would be failure,becouse even if it could destroy 10 B.17 in each action,germans still would destroy more if they produce Fw190 or 105mm AA guns instead.
Destroyer500
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Titanium is what i proposed but aluminum alloys could also be used
So you say it wasnt possible ehh ?
https://en.topwar.ru/165108-aktivno-reaktivnye-snarjady-v-trommsdorffa-germanija.html
Mach-3,5-Interkontinentalflugkörper der Luftwaffe 1944 | FliegerRevue X
Trommsdorff Projects WW2
https://en.topwar.ru/163751-aktivno...teljami-konstrukcii-a-lippisha-germanija.html
https://min.news/en/military/f804cb68e1665e6312dc0b10a2830cb3.html
If you open this website and then book he is mentioned in the early days section https://dl.begellhouse.com/fr/download/article/0ef8891227c0632e/IJEMCP2105(1)-38741.pdf
And when it comes to guidance
So you say it wasnt possible ehh ?
https://en.topwar.ru/165108-aktivno-reaktivnye-snarjady-v-trommsdorffa-germanija.html
Mach-3,5-Interkontinentalflugkörper der Luftwaffe 1944 | FliegerRevue X
Trommsdorff Projects WW2
https://en.topwar.ru/163751-aktivno...teljami-konstrukcii-a-lippisha-germanija.html
https://min.news/en/military/f804cb68e1665e6312dc0b10a2830cb3.html
If you open this website and then book he is mentioned in the early days section https://dl.begellhouse.com/fr/download/article/0ef8891227c0632e/IJEMCP2105(1)-38741.pdf
And when it comes to guidance
Leitstrahlstellung Bunker Roquetoire - V2ROCKET.COM
www.v2rocket.com
Germany needed every pound of aluminum they had for aircraft production.
The Leitstrahl system you're talking about was a late development which was fitted to a small number of V-2s starting in Decembmer 1944, with only one V-2 battery (SS 500) actually having the guidance equipment. With or without this system, the V-2 was only guided during its initial powered flight of approximately 30 seconds. The guidance system of the V-2 enabled it to launch vertically, make a controlled tip-over maneuver onto the desired target heading (which was either pre-programmed or indicated by the radio guidance beam), and then turn off its rocket motor when it reached the correct velocity. Once motor cutoff occurred, the rocket had no further ability to make any course correction or adjustment.
Even with the addition of the Leitstrahl system, the V-2 was only "accurate" to within a margin of ten kilometers or so, sufficient to generally hit somewhere within a targeted city but utterly incapable of aiming at anything specific within that city. The *one and only* time V-2s were aimed at a specific tactical target, the Ludendorff Bridge, eleven Leitstrahl-fitted V-2s were fired by the "elite" SS V-2 battery . . . and not a single rocket came within miles of the bridge. Hitler jubilantly ignored this reality and congratulated the V-2s for the bridge's destruction.
In the end, the V-2 program was an absolute failure, costing over 2 billion Reichmarks and doing little meaningful damage to Britain.
(Note that Hitler, with his usual abject stupidity, also literally failed to comprehend that the radio guidance was an upgrade, and publicly bragged that the elimination of the radio guidance made the V-2 even more lethal by making it impossible for the British to jam the guidance. )
Even with the addition of the Leitstrahl system, the V-2 was only "accurate" to within a margin of ten kilometers or so, sufficient to generally hit somewhere within a targeted city but utterly incapable of aiming at anything specific within that city. The *one and only* time V-2s were aimed at a specific tactical target, the Ludendorff Bridge, eleven Leitstrahl-fitted V-2s were fired by the "elite" SS V-2 battery . . . and not a single rocket came within miles of the bridge. Hitler jubilantly ignored this reality and congratulated the V-2s for the bridge's destruction.
In the end, the V-2 program was an absolute failure, costing over 2 billion Reichmarks and doing little meaningful damage to Britain.
(Note that Hitler, with his usual abject stupidity, also literally failed to comprehend that the radio guidance was an upgrade, and publicly bragged that the elimination of the radio guidance made the V-2 even more lethal by making it impossible for the British to jam the guidance. )
Yeah the V-2 was pretty crap, meanwhile the V-1 actually cost the allies more than the Germans, overall a plus.
To be fair, the V-2 was an enormous advance in rocket technology which would make very significant contributions to both the American and Soviet space programs in the years to come. It was just a complete waste of priceless resources as a German weapon of war.
Ironically, Hitler was correct in his initial take on the V-2 proposal: it was merely an artillery shell with longer range but much higher cost. He really only approved the program due to the need for a "wunderwaffe" which German propaganda could sell to the demoralized German people as a war-winning innovation.
Oh certainly, first manmade object to enter space unless I am mistaken. A literal milestone.
The MW 18014 test flight was the first rocket to climb above the von Karman line and thus enter space, yes, albeit with no useful payload at all.
Destroyer500
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The V2 couldnt be controlled on its descent through radiowaves because i dont know if they could reach it that far and because the rocket was traveling too fast and was subject to too many environmental factors.However even in modern times the hardest part of a missiles journey to control is the descent.So the Leitstrahl along with the receiver inside the rocket did just correct its path on the ascension faze.I didnt know how it worked but before learning about it and while i was proposing my advanced shell idea the we place an antenna every few hundred km along the missiles path was exactly how i imagined it to work.
Due to the difficulty of controlling the descent i proposed the use of a system like that of the fritz x from the spotter planes cause having a far bigger than 12 kms margin of error on 1000km is just ... unacceptable.
I also thought of another way though.The planes could drop,again fritz x style,an antenna-transmitter to the location they want the shells to be going and have it work like a beacon attracting the shells,short of like an acoustic torpedo but with radio waves.Now that will be only occur on the very final stage of the shells journey.Up until the last second ground antennas and maybe antennas on planes will help with corrections so a huge airdropped transmitters with a very big range,i recon,wont be needed.
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Megadeath
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So... In order to hit the target with this ludicrous weapon, you first have to successfully bomb the target, effectively? And also construct a bread crumb trail of active emitters to it? I mean... I've heard of telegraphing your blows, hut never quiet such a literal example. What possible use case, other than maybe a frontal assault of the maginot line could such a system ever be the solution for?
Destroyer500
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Emmiters can be on trucks every 100km or so.So at maximum range 9-10 trucks and maybe even a plane.Maybe less trucks will be needed ? I dont know since i cant test it.
This is the same system used on the late V2 but for longer ranges in a way.
If accuracy can get really good,with a margin of error of tens to a few hundred meters,then we could possibly use it on every occasion that its needed.Of course mostly stationary targets.
Again, the Leitstrahl system can only control the rocket during the initial ~30 seconds of powered ascent. Additional guidance antennas aren't going to help.
What you want is a maneuverable, terminally guided re-entry vehicle. The first such RV was created by the United States in 1979, and primitive Nazi Germany cannot possibly create one in 1945.
If germans used suicidal version of V1/or sell it to Japan/ it would be even better.
And V2,if used with sarin,still would be effective against cities.
But,the same germans who genocided millions in death camps using cyclon B,never used sarin.Bloody genocidal idiots.
Japan didn't really need the V1, it's not like they had an island just off the coast they wanted to bomb. They were thinking more 'climactic naval battle'.
For suicide missile purposes, the Ohka in it's various forms was sufficient.
As for Sarin, it's not quite as deadly as one would think, especially when the V2 was so inaccurate.
Okha have less then 100km range,V1 - 300km.And could be used from bombers.
Which mean,that Japan could send bombers which would release V1 300km from targets,so american fighters from carriers could not schoot down those bombers.
If they have enough of them,they could gradually sink enough american ships to stop onvasion of Okinawa.
About sarin - that is why it must be used on England cities.And lesser lethality is even better - dead cyvilians could be just buried,when injured must be healed.
If germans fired enough V2 with sarin on London,british health system would fall.
Aside from that - Happy Easter !
Not possible.They certainly have problems with coping Me-262,and that is why they never plan to mass produce their version,but pulse-jet technology is easy to reproduce.
My theory - nobody in Germany informed them,that there is V1 suicidal version to buy.Otherwise,they would go for that.
Pulse jet technology is easy nowadays, and Germany was good at it, but the only pulsejet project I am aware of for Japan was a handful of suicide-weapon projects super late in the war.
They amusingly coped with axial turbojets pretty easily, building working engines out of a DRAWING of a jet engine.
Then they could mass produce pulse jets - if they get plans.