Battletech Story Brainstorming

Jormungandr

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Probably fail utterly the first time, due to the pirates getting in and out faster than the politicians have come to grips with what is happening and sent any military assets. By the time the pirates return for another bite six months to a year later, there's likely to be a doctrine to deal with them. My first guess would be an overwhelming aircraft/cruise missile spam hitting their 'mechs and possibly DropShips with copious amounts of explosives.

The inverse of the pirates. Since the Combine won't grab and run, but instead will send possibly a 'mech company. They'll also open talks to arrange for a surrender, and thus sit there long enough for a diplomatic envoy to show up. Relations are going to break down pretty quickly since Combine's gonna Combine. The 'mechs will likely rampage once it's clear Earth isn't going to roll over, followed by cruise missile and aircraft bombardment taking the 'mech company down.

However, the second response from the Combine will be much harsher. Earth will likely get at least a Sword of Light dropped on them, and the Combine is in a position to take up orbit and plan their attacks carefully, lifting back off the ground rapidly as needed and sending ASF bombardments to soften up and destroy offending missile batteries. The timeline is a touch dicey, in 2900 the Combine still had a few WarShips left, probably not enough that they'd peel one off just to do an orbital bombardment, but maybe they would, especially if they look at how much Industry Earth has.

It's worth noting that the early clan invaders were not the caricatures they became later, they were quite keen on maintaining stealth, gathering intel, and generally being sneaky gits during their initial phase of invasion. The whole opening up with a Batchall on day 1 came later.

They also both absolutely have WarShips, and have Elementals which will give them an infantry-like force that's tougher than a Tank and hits harder too without being a walking skyscraper for all to see and paste with missiles.

The upshot of this is that the clans have a lot more options in their toolbox than the Combine or the Pirates and can select a much more measured response. The 3050 clans have also not yet become idiots who look at five million infantry and a hundred thousand tanks, then bid a trinary of 'mechs in a frontal because that just means the victory will be all the more glorious.

This means the Clans have the best chance of taking Earth by far, though that would have some hilarious knock-on effects down the line because you don't add eight billion people to your relatively small population without them irreversibly altering your culture and ways into their own. It would be the Mongols conquering China all over again.
The Clans would also probably look at an untouched (from the stupidity of the current setting's factions, I mean) and more technologically advanced Modern Earth ("Wait, if we help them they can build a battlemech that's technologically superior to anything we have right now? In just a few years? I'm throwing c-bills at the vid-screen, but nothing's happening!") as some sort of utopia/promised land, too. They wouldn't want to destroy it or do any significant damage to its population or capabilities; rather, use them to advance their own stuff or even recreate it from scratch as something better.

Hell, I can imagine another political faction emerging distinct from the Wardens and Crusaders that'd want to use Modern Earth to create a new Star League from scratch than trying to build one on the bones of Inner-Sphere -- some clans, like Goliath Scorpion, I could see going all in on this.

I mean, they're not stupid (until FASA made them that way).

A darker turn for the Clans, however, could be if the remnants of Wolverine/the "Minnesota Tribe" fled into the deep, Deep Periphery, found Modern Earth, and decided to basically uplift us from the shadows so we'd eventually fuck over both the Clans and the Inner-Sphere (or, they'd go public and work with us openly).

The more we'd work on re-creating better Battletech stuff, the more Wolverine becomes more and more sure they made the right decision.
 

Spartan303

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The Clans would also probably look at an untouched (from the stupidity of the current setting's factions, I mean) and more technologically advanced Modern Earth ("Wait, if we help them they can build a battlemech that's technologically superior to anything we have right now? In just a few years? I'm throwing c-bills at the vid-screen, but nothing's happening!") as some sort of utopia/promised land, too. They wouldn't want to destroy it or do any significant damage to its population or capabilities; rather, use them to advance their own stuff or even recreate it from scratch as something better.

Hell, I can imagine another political faction emerging distinct from the Wardens and Crusaders that'd want to use Modern Earth to create a new Star League from scratch than trying to build one on the bones of Inner-Sphere -- some clans, like Goliath Scorpion, I could see going all in on this.

I mean, they're not stupid (until FASA made them that way).

A darker turn for the Clans, however, could be if the remnants of Wolverine/the "Minnesota Tribe" fled into the deep, Deep Periphery, found Modern Earth, and decided to basically uplift us from the shadows so we'd eventually fuck over both the Clans and the Inner-Sphere (or, they'd go public and work with us openly).

The more we'd work on re-creating better Battletech stuff, the more Wolverine becomes more and more sure they made the right decision.

Let's play with both ideas. How does that go?
 

Doomsought

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Yes, while they do have stuff like powered armour which we don't have, the technology underneath it is either archaic by our standards (such as metallurgy or needing CPUs the size of bricks) or could be done better once analyzed and reverse-engineered (such as using a CPU the size of a thumb to take over the job of said Brick CPU, or our use of modern alloys which make the end result lighter, smaller, and faster, or refining certain Battletech materials because of more accurate processes/computations, et cetera).
No, I don't know where the meme comes from but Inner sphere computers are by no means huge bricks compared to modern hardware. The diagnostic computer, which the interprets the output form neurohelmet into something standardized that the mech can understand, is in a removable module around the size of a car stereo and once you remove all of the protective casing and tempest hardening probably has a comparable mass of compute hardware to a modern GPU card.
 

Jormungandr

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Let's play with both ideas. How does that go?
Well, the former would likely cause massive disruption in Clan society between the Wardens and Crusaders, who each want to recreate the Star League based on the Inner-Sphere's bones but via different methods, and this new political faction that'd want to create a New Star League with Modern Earth at its core.

Clan politics would be fiery.

The latter would involve Modern Earth, under the legacy of Wolverine, basically putting out feelers into the galaxy and doing what the Dragoons were doing. At first, there wouldn't be any suspicion that Wolverine was ever involved with this Third Party --after all, in the Clans' eyes they'd been gone for a long time now-- but if any hint of their involvement came through? Especially with how technologically advanced this Third Group is? Yeah, panic, fear, and rage.

Crusader or Warden, it wouldn't matter.
No, I don't know where the meme comes from but Inner sphere computers are by no means huge bricks compared to modern hardware. The diagnostic computer, which the interprets the output form neurohelmet into something standardized that the mech can understand, is in a removable module around the size of a car stereo and once you remove all of the protective casing and tempest hardening probably has a comparable mass of compute hardware to a modern GPU card.
Creatively, it's all based on retro-futuristic tech as thought of what the future would be like in the 80's, with their understanding of technology at the time. Times, and everything in the sciences, have advanced/changed.

That GPU-sized computer you mentioned, for example, is what they thought a scaled down computer/mainframe as they had then would be like in the future. The concept was sound, the implementation was limited by knowledge/thought at the time. A modern day implementation of that thought? Smartphones or even mini-PCs the size of a sandwich.

This is pretty much a prompt/thought exercise on a Modern Earth's reinterpretation/advancement of in-universe technology through modern scientific and technological advancements and principles, based on us now or us in the near-future once we understood how their stuff worked.

We would likely have those clunky neurohelmets reduced into something like a thin skullcap or even brain implants (we're halfway there already in real-life), and that GPU-sized computer reduced to something the size of a smartphone with all the needed protective casing and hardening already installed Remember, the original is from an 80's school of thought.

Clunky data ports? Nope, USB. 32GB of RAM would likely be considered supercomputer memory, while it's just desktop-level stuff here. More powerful computers? Better calculating power and other stuff.

Now, if we had plans for even a basic Battlemech? I'm pretty sure our copy, from scratch, would be a hell of a lot more advanced in a lot of areas than the Inner-Sphere and even Clan models in a lot of aspects, while still using myomer fibers (which we'd likely have trouble replicating, unless we had samples of the bacteria used).

And then we're shoving this Modern Earth into Battletech, heh. Let's set things on fire. :D
 

Bear Ribs

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Well, the former would likely cause massive disruption in Clan society between the Wardens and Crusaders, who each want to recreate the Star League based on the Inner-Sphere's bones but via different methods, and this new political faction that'd want to create a New Star League with Modern Earth at its core.

Clan politics would be fiery.

The latter would involve Modern Earth, under the legacy of Wolverine, basically putting out feelers into the galaxy and doing what the Dragoons were doing. At first, there wouldn't be any suspicion that Wolverine was ever involved with this Third Party --after all, in the Clans' eyes they'd been gone for a long time now-- but if any hint of their involvement came through? Especially with how technologically advanced this Third Group is? Yeah, panic, fear, and rage.

Crusader or Warden, it wouldn't matter.

Creatively, it's all based on retro-futuristic tech as thought of what the future would be like in the 80's, with their understanding of technology at the time. Times, and everything in the sciences, have advanced/changed.

That GPU-sized computer you mentioned, for example, is what they thought a scaled down computer/mainframe as they had then would be like in the future. The concept was sound, the implementation was limited by knowledge/thought at the time. A modern day implementation of that thought? Smartphones or even mini-PCs the size of a sandwich.

This is pretty much a prompt/thought exercise on a Modern Earth's reinterpretation/advancement of in-universe technology through modern scientific and technological advancements and principles, based on us now or us in the near-future once we understood how their stuff worked.

We would likely have those clunky neurohelmets reduced into something like a thin skullcap or even brain implants (we're halfway there already in real-life), and that GPU-sized computer reduced to something the size of a smartphone with all the needed protective casing and hardening already installed Remember, the original is from an 80's school of thought.

Clunky data ports? Nope, USB. 32GB of RAM would likely be considered supercomputer memory, while it's just desktop-level stuff here. More powerful computers? Better calculating power and other stuff.

Now, if we had plans for even a basic Battlemech? I'm pretty sure our copy, from scratch, would be a hell of a lot more advanced in a lot of areas than the Inner-Sphere and even Clan models in a lot of aspects, while still using myomer fibers (which we'd likely have trouble replicating, unless we had samples of the bacteria used).

And then we're shoving this Modern Earth into Battletech, heh. Let's set things on fire. :D
Looking at the Warrior's Catalog, a noteputer that looks to be their equivalent of a tablet is half a kilogram. A Desktop is 3 kilos, a text reader equal to a Kindle Paperwhite is 200 grams. They don't have any equivalent to a smartphone, phones seem to only come in "Walky-Talky" and "Satellite Uplink." A telescan that can download weather and news feeds from a satellite is three-quarters of a kilo, the Walky Talky model is 100 grams.

The eReader is pretty close to real-life weight. The Noteputer is fairly heavy, the Desktop is close to modern weight. The satellite phone is hideously overweight and the walky-talky is really light. Note that all of these are non-hardened civilian models, the hardened military satellite phone is a hundred kilograms and the military walky-talky weighs a full kilo. Presumably, those incorporate scrambling and other features as well to account for how huge the satellite uplink is.

I'm not 100% sure if these weights include the batteries, which the Warrior's Catalog indicates are very definitely sold separately.

I'm reminded of this.


Hmm, pretty cool. So this how about this scenario:

Somebody's decided to bring BattleTech to the big screen, it's going to get the Marvel treatment. They're doing the Warrior Trilogy first. You're in charge of casting and need to bring three actors to the table to play Grayson Carlyle, Lori Kalmar, and Duke Ricol as the leads. Who are your choices, among actors who are alive and available today, for those roles? Bonus round: Who would you choose if you could select currently-unavailable deceased or retired actors?
 

Doomsought

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Creatively, it's all based on retro-futuristic tech as thought of what the future would be like in the 80's, with their understanding of technology at the time. Times, and everything in the sciences, have advanced/changed.

That GPU-sized computer you mentioned, for example, is what they thought a scaled down computer/mainframe as they had then would be like in the future. The concept was sound, the implementation was limited by knowledge/thought at the time. A modern day implementation of that thought? Smartphones or even mini-PCs the size of a sandwich.

This is pretty much a prompt/thought exercise on a Modern Earth's reinterpretation/advancement of in-universe technology through modern scientific and technological advancements and principles, based on us now or us in the near-future once we understood how their stuff worked.
No, you are thinking about 70's computers. You already had the Apple II and IBM PC (the common ancestors of all modern desktop computers) at the start of the 80s. You also had the Atari, Commodore 64 or ZX Spectrum in the 80s. Computers are small and you have the prototypes for the form factors of modular hardware except for USB in place.

What 80's computing lacked was ergonomics. The controls are awkward and clunky despite not actually being that much bigger than their modern contemporaries.
They don't have any equivalent to a smartphone, phones seem to only come in "Walky-Talky" and "Satellite Uplink." A telescan that can download weather and news feeds from a satellite is three-quarters of a kilo, the Walky Talky model is 100 grams.

The eReader is pretty close to real-life weight. The Noteputer is fairly heavy, the Desktop is close to modern weight. The satellite phone is hideously overweight and the walky-talky is really light. Note that all of these are non-hardened civilian models, the hardened military satellite phone is a hundred kilograms and the military walky-talky weighs a full kilo. Presumably, those incorporate scrambling and other features as well to account for how huge the satellite uplink is.
The lack of cell phones can all be blamed on infrastructure, most planets don't have the population to support hundreds of radio towers for cell phones, but can easily pay the next dropship that comes by to loiter in orbit for a few extra hours in order to kick a satellite out the airlock. I just looked up a few modern satellite phones and they were both aroudn 250 grams.

Also the note-puter is probably bulked up by needing a dozen different ports to deal with the schizotech. Many planets are full of people having to choose between analogue displays that can be hand built locally or expensive digital displays they import from interstellar micro-fabricators. So adding RCA and Coax ports to any computer you are exporting makes perfect sense even if it adds unreasonable bulk by modern standards.
 

Jormungandr

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No, you are thinking about 70's computers. You already had the Apple II and IBM PC (the common ancestors of all modern desktop computers) at the start of the 80s. You also had the Atari, Commodore 64 or ZX Spectrum in the 80s. Computers are small and you have the prototypes for the form factors of modular hardware except for USB in place.

What 80's computing lacked was ergonomics. The controls are awkward and clunky despite not actually being that much bigger than their modern contemporaries.

The lack of cell phones can all be blamed on infrastructure, most planets don't have the population to support hundreds of radio towers for cell phones, but can easily pay the next dropship that comes by to loiter in orbit for a few extra hours in order to kick a satellite out the airlock. I just looked up a few modern satellite phones and they were both aroudn 250 grams.

Also the note-puter is probably bulked up by needing a dozen different ports to deal with the schizotech. Many planets are full of people having to choose between analogue displays that can be hand built locally or expensive digital displays they import from interstellar micro-fabricators. So adding RCA and Coax ports to any computer you are exporting makes perfect sense even if it adds unreasonable bulk by modern standards.
While the Commodore and Spectrum and the like were commercial PC's meant for the public, and the 80's was when mainstream computing was beginning to kick off, most people's experiences with computers were still the clunky, room-sized mainframes and machines born from the late 60's and 70's.

It's just like how people's experiences with mobile phones in the late 90's/mid-00's were things like flip phones and small bar phones (man, I miss those), but all that changed when the fist iPhone and Androids were released a few years later (and then smartphones rapidly became the de facto phone 'format').

Until the IBM Clone craze later on, everyone went off and basically did their own thing with computer form factors, hardware, software, processors, et cetera. It was truly the Wild West of consumer PC design, and none of it was really interchangeable -- even software. You had to pay a guy to basically rewrite the program every time your massive computer the size of a room had a minor upgrade.

The OG consumer PC's, like the Spectrum and Commodore and the IBM/its Clones, basically started the change for all that, especially since they encouraged people to program shit at home with books. :)

Additionally, most people at the time still really didn't believe that home computing would take off the way it did in real-life, as it did in the late 80's and 90's -- they genuinely thought it would just be a passing fad or for enthusiasts, and most computers would be large and in the hands of businesses, banks, et cetera.

The IBM Clone Craze basically changed all that, as did the eventual emergence of the Internet.

And, ironically, it was Apple, Microsoft, and IBM who basically helped pave the way for what we have today (with their hardware standards, operating systems like DOS, OS/2, Windows 1, et cetera) in the late 80's and 90's.

FASA was, at the time, working off their presumptions of the future with the technology and culture they had at the time, as above. We don't have such limitations because time marches on, although we'd be doing the same thing if we were trying to guess what technology would be like in the 2050's and such (again, to use the phone/smartphone example, no one in the early 00's would've thought there'd be a massive revolution in just a few years which helped change everything -- who knows what'll happen in the next ten, twenty years from here, right now?).

We can scrap that viewpoint they had and reinterpret Battletech technology through a modern eye (with scientific and technological advancements especially as a focus).

The Noteputer example you mentioned? Yeah, we wouldn't need about ten different data ports, unlike in the 80's when such a thing was common because the various computers out there were incompatible with each other at a fundamental level (remember, FASA at the time!). All we'd need is one or two USB ports. Need to access some of those clunky Inner-Sphere data drives? We'd create an extension which plugs into them and then plugs into a PC via a USB interface, as we do now with pretty much everything else "old".

All the clunky shit inside, like the retro-80's futuristic processors (which are probably still in the megahurtz reaches) and form factors? No need -- a goddamn Raspberry Pi or a micro-PC along those lines could probably do all of that and more, making its internals the size of a few credit cards... with a gigahertz processor, even a lower-powered one.

Our version of a "Noteputer" would probably just be some sort of rugged Android tablet derivation, with USB peripherals.

That's how much technology has progressed, and how it'd affect reinvention/our interpretation of Battletech in-universe designs. And the stuff that in-universe Battletech does have which is better? We'd take it, learn it, improve it if we could through modern sciences, replicate it, and reimplement it. If we had help from a data core or remnants of Wolverine helping us, we'd do it even faster.

Also, the in-universe limitations you mentioned, like with the people just kicking up a satellite? We wouldn't be constrained by those limitations in-universe either, at least in our own backyard (Earth, colonized planets like Mars, et cetera).

Now, scale that up to everything, from vehicles to Battlemechs.

And now let's dump this Modern Earth into Battletech, and watch the resulting fires. 👹;)

Frankly put, we're not limited by the design choices FASA made at the time because of the times. We are, from FASA's perspective at the time, from the future.

(Also, I'm pretty sure that if a Ryzen Threadripper PC somehow made its way to one of the Inner-Sphere powers or Clans, they'd likely see it as either alien technology or some sort of supercomputer they'd try repurpose to manage central military intelligence, or something. shrug).
 

Skitzyfrenic

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Just throwing this out there, to chip in ya dig?

I felt like the computers in MW5 looked more like 90s retrotech than 80s. Like it was more streamlined and looked like it had a halfway decent GUI not just a command line.

And I really feel that 90s retrotech look. Modern enough to be recognizable in almost all cases, retro enough to elicit nostalgia.

Most of Cassette Futurism (~1970s-~1990s) is like that including 'very eighties' battletech, just the late end tickles me a bit more, since that was what I ended up using for most of my early life.
 

Jormungandr

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Just throwing this out there, to chip in ya dig?

I felt like the computers in MW5 looked more like 90s retrotech than 80s. Like it was more streamlined and looked like it had a halfway decent GUI not just a command line.

And I really feel that 90s retrotech look. Modern enough to be recognizable in almost all cases, retro enough to elicit nostalgia.

Most of Cassette Futurism (~1970s-~1990s) is like that including 'very eighties' battletech, just the late end tickles me a bit more, since that was what I ended up using for most of my early life.
The 90's is a nostalgic time for me, too. :)

I was born in '88, so growing up in the single digits I basically watched Commodore 64's (I remember shopping for Commodore 64 games at a nearby PC store, heh) be slowly replaced by IBM and Clone PCs, all the way to 2000+ when we had some new, weird emerging tech (like the forerunners to 'modern' laptops, nGage, et cetera) coming to consumers.

People born in the late 00's or even '10's missed out on that weird and exciting time. :(
 

Bear Ribs

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Found a bit more information on the computers, per Chaos March page 54, a low-end Noteputer has 10 gigabytes of storage while a highest-end Noteputer has up to 50. So their performance is probably a good bit behind ours. A lower-tier Amazon Fire has 32GB and our higher-end tablets are way beyond that.

Also, a Noteputer doesn't really look anything like a tablet, they look like this:
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I have no idea where the screen is since the description said it was a "touch screen" which originally made me think tablet.
 

Jormungandr

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Found a bit more information on the computers, per Chaos March page 54, a low-end Noteputer has 10 gigabytes of storage while a highest-end Noteputer has up to 50. So their performance is probably a good bit behind ours. A lower-tier Amazon Fire has 32GB and our higher-end tablets are way beyond that.

Also, a Noteputer doesn't really look anything like a tablet, they look like this:
YkGqLxC.jpg


I have no idea where the screen is since the description said it was a "touch screen" which originally made me think tablet.
It's basically a late 80's machine with mid-00 (at best) levels of storage (and that was at high-end enthusiast/business areas than actual consumer at the time). Possible 1GB of RAM max, but possibly just 512. I'd give the processor speed a 1 GHZ, and that's being generous.
And... is that an optical disk drive?
Edit: Yeah, unless there's some super special component in there we're not aware of, there's zero chance we'd make improved copies of that except for possibly software reverse-engineering or looking at the ports for USB peripherals.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Can you link me? Also, what other areas does Modern Earth dominate? What areas are we deficient? And how can Earth maintain Dpace and air Neutral skies in a concerted invasion?
Modern tech would dominate in:

  • Incomparably superior electronics, leading to vastly more capable fire control, smart weapons, sensors, electronic countermeasures, and counter-countermeasures.
  • Non-ablative armor that does not get "worn down" at all by minor attacks.
  • Vastly superior ballistic weapons, with hypervelocity tank cannons having order-of-magnitude superior performance over even "lostech" Gauss Rifles, and artillery being an absolute leveller.
  • Professionally managed military with professional logistics built around standardized units.
  • Lack of "MechWarrior mania" means that Battlemechs are integrated into combined-arms formations and trained as soldiers, not glory-hound warrior fools.
Modern tech would be deficient in:
  • Lasers
  • PPCs
  • Inbreed weeaboos.
 

Spartan303

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Modern tech would dominate in:

  • Incomparably superior electronics, leading to vastly more capable fire control, smart weapons, sensors, electronic countermeasures, and counter-countermeasures.
  • Non-ablative armor that does not get "worn down" at all by minor attacks.
  • Vastly superior ballistic weapons, with hypervelocity tank cannons having order-of-magnitude superior performance over even "lostech" Gauss Rifles, and artillery being an absolute leveller.
  • Professionally managed military with professional logistics built around standardized units.
  • Lack of "MechWarrior mania" means that Battlemechs are integrated into combined-arms formations and trained as soldiers, not glory-hound warrior fools.
Modern tech would be deficient in:
  • Lasers
  • PPCs
  • Inbreed weeaboos.

Not to mention Space Assets.
 

ShadowArxxy

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Not to mention Space Assets.

Yeah, a fully evolved Battletech faction rooted on modern technology would also have vastly superior space assets, including such simple but logical measures as "Pony Express" style hot-swapping of fully charged drive cores at orbital stations.
 

Jormungandr

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Modern tech would dominate in:

  • Incomparably superior electronics, leading to vastly more capable fire control, smart weapons, sensors, electronic countermeasures, and counter-countermeasures.
  • Non-ablative armor that does not get "worn down" at all by minor attacks.
  • Vastly superior ballistic weapons, with hypervelocity tank cannons having order-of-magnitude superior performance over even "lostech" Gauss Rifles, and artillery being an absolute leveller.
  • Professionally managed military with professional logistics built around standardized units.
  • Lack of "MechWarrior mania" means that Battlemechs are integrated into combined-arms formations and trained as soldiers, not glory-hound warrior fools.
Modern tech would be deficient in:
  • Lasers
  • PPCs
  • Inbreed weeaboos.
Okay, this is I did not expect. Do we have calcs for B'Tech weapons and modern ballistics?
 

ShadowArxxy

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Okay, this is I did not expect. Do we have calcs for B'Tech weapons and modern ballistics?
It's pretty simple really -- even Gauss rifles are only supersonic and are explicitly described as firing a "watermelon" shaped slug. A modern tank cannon is hypersonic, and fires a vastly more advanced sabot penetrator.

In addition, even though 'regular' Battletech cannons have supposedly advanced to the point of rapid-firing autocannons being the norm, normal BTech autocannons fire once per round, and a BTech round is supposed to be 10 seconds, so their RoFs are 6 rounds per minute for all ACs, 12 rounds per minute for Ultra ACs, and 36 rounds per minute for Rotary ACs. This means that the 25mm Bushmaster autocannon on a Bradley IFV, which has a rate of fire of 200 rounds per minute, is the equivalent of thirty three AC/2s compressed into a single weapon. . . while also weighing just 119 kilograms as opposed to six tons.

Note that the main gun of an Abrams tank takes a maximum of 8.5 seconds to reload -- that's the minimum standard for Abrams loaders -- so even though it's hand loaded, it still has a noticeably superior rate of fire to a supposedly autoloading BTech counterpart, while being so accurate and powerful that it guarantees a perfect head shot against any Battlemech with every single shot.
 
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Jormungandr

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It's pretty simple really -- even Gauss rifles are only supersonic and are explicitly described as firing a "watermelon" shaped slug. A modern tank cannon is hypersonic, and fires a vastly more advanced sabot penetrator.
...I honestly expected better from Battletech's side of things, to be honest.
 

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