Anime & Manga Battlegrinder Watches Zoids: New Century Zero, AKA The Adventures of Terrible People and also Naomi Fluegel

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According to the wiki, yes, but as far as I can tell there's no direct reference between the two.
It's mostly stuff in the final arc, like it being Liger vs Deathsaurer and fighting on the wreck of the fuck huge Ultrasaurus.

IIRC, the reason the Liger Zero and Deathsaurer are so hard to control is because they have the Organoids from the prequel show permanently fused inside them.
 
Episode 3: Leena Toros is a terrible person

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As the episode opens, we see a large, rhino type zoid blowing up a bunch of rev raptors, in what a robotic voice calls a training exercise:

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I'm not really sure what the practical value of doing target training at point blank range is, particularly not with the massive rotary cannon used here. It seems like you'd almost have to be trying to miss targets at this range.

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This is the Dark horn's pilot, and we're informed via his internal monologue that his name is "Harry Champ, a man destined to be king".....I'm not sure if he means that literally, because he very easily could be. As he's wrapping up the test, his eyes are drawn to something on his console...a picture of Leena, accompanied by music that's not quite ominous, but is at least somewhat unnerving.

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The action then cuts over to the real Leena, in the midst of another zoid battle. Brad knocks out one of the opposing zoids, a helcat, while Leena lines up a shot on the leader, in a sabre tiger (this the first time we've seen a team of mixed zoids types other than the Blitz team). She's also ready to fire, when Bit jumps into her line of fire and chases the Sabre off. Bit warns her her that one of the helcats had been targeting her while she was tunnel visioning onto the sabre. Leena, still tunnel visioned on the sabre, demands Bit leave him to her to finish off....leaving herself open the 3rd zoid that was targetting her. She takes several hits, but returns fire and manages to drop the helcat....I think.

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I still can't tell if the helcat is jumping clear of the scattered impacts, or taking a hit. This match also raises a number of questions about how zoid battles are supposed to be balanced, as the enemy team is badly outmatched here. Helcats are a light recon design that can't take a lot of damage nor deal it, they depend on a stealth system to avoid engagements, a stealth system these ones are not using. They're outclassed by every single zoid the Blitz team has, massively so, and the sabre is roughly on par.

Speaking of the sabre, Bit ends up taking it out, in what even I recognize as the cliche anime swordfight move where they cross blades midair and then land, the other guy walks for a few paces, and then suddenly explodes because he'd been hacked to bits midway through and didn't notice:

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This is why I don't like or watch anime, all swordfights are likely legally obligated to end in like one of three ways and it is so boring to watch over and over again.

Anyway, as the battle ends, it turns out Harry has been watching the fight (I'm not sure how, given zoid battlefields are supposed to be cleared of other parties, and I doubt that jeep in the background has a cloaking device), as part of his stalkerish behavior toward Leena:

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Given all zoid battles include a fair number of stray rounds flying about, particularly battles involving Leena and her "time spent aiming is time not spent shooting" gunnery style, Harry is either fearless or brainless, not sure which. I'm leaning toward the latter, as he somehow manages to conclude that Bit and Leena have something going on, based on seeing this interaction:

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As you guys can probably guess based just on that facial expression, Leena does not have thing going with Bit, in fact she's quite upset at him for stealing "her" kill during the match (in slight fairness to her, she mentions losing out on target points, so this is a zoid battle rules thing and not just pure ego....just mostly ego, since unless kills are assigned more points for some reason, she didn't lose out by hitting the helcat instead of the sabre). Bit ignores this, instead his attention is focused on a particularly valuable weapon on the downed Sarbe, a shock cannon.

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Bit ends up stealing and installing the cannon onto the Liger Zero, in order to have a ranged weapon that's a bit more useful than the massive cannon he tried last time. And yes, it's nearly certain he stole it. Official Zoid Battles are fought for cash, not salvage rights, you can't just yoink parts off of a downed enemy for your own use, and says he "liberated" it. (-1 point for Bit).

Leena is still mad about his alleged kill stealing, and also for his general attitude (by which she means "being better than me.....not that that's a high bar). And then to increase the level of crazy, Harry arrives, extremely mad about Bit and Leena and spewing accusation (As this interaction also makes it clear that Leena and the crew already know about Harry, I suspect this explains why they had a security system rigged up back in the pilot). Then Leena gets an idea. A terrible, terrible idea.

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Deliberately aggravating your crazy stalker to use him against your teammate.

Leena loses her first point of the episode. It will not be the last.
 
Episode 3 Part 2: Leena of Troy

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Harry is crushed by Leena choosing someone else, and mopes over his loss back at his own base, which we see is loaded with rack after rack of Zoids. At this point, it's pretty clear Harry is That Kid. You know, That Kid who always had more money than you, That Kid that had more toys than you, That Kid that ended up flaunted his collection of stuff in front of everyone else, not always to be mean and rub it in people's faces, but just because they were proud of thier collection and wanted to show it off....but sometimes to be mean and rub it people's faces. You know, That Kid. We all had That Kid in our lives growing up (and if you didn't.....I might have some bad news for you).

In a not so subtle dig, it turn out Harry has no friends, with his only companions being a pair of robots he built and programmed . Ouch (and somewhat oddly. Harry's bank acount is best expressed by the mathematical phrase "finite but arbitrarily large", he should have loads of suckups hanging around him trying to get a piece of that). The robots, Sebastian (the small one) and Benjamin (the blue one), seem to be slightly more sane than Harry, but not so much that they attempt to talk him out of his obession, instead suggesting he get Leena back by challenging Bit. He likes the idea....a little too much, given the fit of manical laughter it provokes.

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Back with the Blitz team, Brad fills Bit in on Harry's deal (IE, crazy rich dude, fights for fun, decently skilled, has a thing for Leena) as the two work out:

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Brad correctly guesses Harry will try something, and warns Bit about getting involved, because Harry's crazy and you can't predict what he'll do. Bit brushes off the warning.

Elsewhere, Leena discusses her...."plan" with Jamie while the two are playing some sort of 3D chess thing. The gist of it that Leena sicced Harry on Bit to take him down a peg, as she thinks he's too cocky (though it's clear the real reason is that she's upset about being outscored on the battlefield). Her sore loser streak continues as Jamie wins the game, which she then "accidentally" knocks over and breaks.

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Jamie pins the blame for her on Doc Toro's subpar parenting skills.
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Given that Doc's busy Dark Helmeting it up at the moment.....yeah, I can buy that.

The next day, Harry changes Bit to a zoid battle over Leena, winner gets the girl, which Bit accepts immediately before Harry can even bring up the bit about Leena. Bit just wants to fight. Too her credit, while Leena enjoys the fantasy of men fighting over her affections (to a slightly unnerving degree, actually), it's at least made clear that her interest stops there, she has not interest in Harry whatsoever.....which given how insanely rich he is, is a credit to her character (but I'm not giving her credit for that to the tune of her getting points just for not being a gold digger).

Though at least Jamie manages to poke a few holes in her Helen of Troy phantasy by pointing out she's managed to arrange a fight between Bit and Harry where she's the prize, and that she hasn't thought through what that means. Bit winning, even if he's not actually interested in her, will just make him even cockier, defeating the whole point of this enterprise, whereas Harry winning is....well, the downside there is obvious. Jamie considers it a no win scenario.....unfortunately, he is wrong.

The next day, the battle begins, a so called "blind battle" in the ruins of an empty city. Visibility is limited and sight lines are short, so most of the battle is about finding the enemy, not fighting them. It's worth noting that in addition to being Harry's friends, Benjamin and Sebastian are also his teammates, piloting a Stealth Viper and Heldigunner, respectively. It's odd that robots are capable of piloting a zoid, because the Liger's intelligence as zoid is noted as being unusual, which doesn't quite makes sense if robots are smart enough to operate a zoid, there would presumably be a number of automated or machine pilots zoids in operation.

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And while zoids can detect one other at close range, they either don't have IFF or it's disabled for this battle, so the risk of friendly fire is high, something demonstrated by Leena and Brad as they encounter one another coming around a corner and almost take a shot at a friendlies.

Predictably, Bit and Harry end up fighting, as Harry breaks through a building to flank Bit. Bit attempts to flee by exploiting the Liger's greater agility vs the Dark Horn, which he notes is bad at cornering.

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Well, normally it is. Unfortunately, Harry's Dark Horn is tricked out with aftermarket upgrades, with additional high powered weapons (which he constantly fails to hit Bit with, despite being only 20 or so meters behind him).....and high capacity thrusters one the side of the zoid that let him drift around corners and keep pace with Bit.

Both Leena and Brad also find themselves engaged, each fighting one of the robots off by themselves.

Bit's battle with Harry has settled into a flight, as Harry pursues Bit across the city, constantly firing his thrusters to keep up as Bit ducks around corner after corner....oddly, he's insistent on only making left turns, at one point using the new shock cannons to blast through a wall to make a new left turn rather than take a street going right.

As for the other two, Leena manages to knock Benjamin and his stealth Viper, and after he taunted her about her aim earlier, targets his downed mech with her cannons and the clear intent to exact payback for that taunted....when she notices Brad's engagement with Sebastian a few blocks away, and decides to intervene....by intentionally targeting both combatants with an alpha strike, disabling them:
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The expression on Brad's face when he radios her to complain and realizes that she intentionally fired a full salvo directly at her own team is priceless:

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Back with Bit, the reason for the constant left turns finally reveals itself, as Harry takes one corner too many and his zoid's leg gives out.

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As Toro explains to a mystified Jamie, the constant turning and overuse of the thrusters eventually overstressed the zoid, something that was exacerbated by the added bulk of the Dark Horn's extra guns, a tactic I really like as it plays into Bit's character and past. Bit knows zoid parts and what they can and can't do, and how to exploit their weaknesses.

Harry isn't down yet, his zoid can't move but is still online, and he vocally refuses to surrender the fight, a stance he sticks to even after Bit opens fire with the shock cannons and blasts off the Gatling cannon Harry had been trying to fire. Bit prepares to finshing him off with the laser claws, unaware he's made a fatal mistake.....he's within firing range of Leena, who alpha strikes both Harry and Bit, disabling them.

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Episode 3 Part 3

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I suppose I could have wrapped up in the last post, but then you wouldn't have seen the last few shots of the episode.

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Leena is totally thrilled, since she ended up being the only one to earn any kills this battle.....and to be fair, she did find a away around the no win scenario she was in, and I suppose Bit will be a bit more cautious around her in the future.

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Look at them, look at their faces! And this isn't even the worst thing Leena will do.


Overall, I'd say this episode is.....um, wow. I liked Bit's tactics, it once again shows him to be a fairly capable warrrior, despite being new to the game. Brad's parts were fine, but he's not really developed any traits being "competent"....though since this episode marks the point where Leena's more negative traits come to the fore, there are worse things than being a bit out of focus.

As for Harry, he's ok here, but he wears out his welcome fast because his only too traits are "has loads of money" and "obsessed with Leena". He doesn't have anything else going either for or against him, so rather than being an interesting enemy, he's just annoying.

Cast Morality Counter:
Bit Cloud: 0
Liger 0: -1
Leena Tores: -4
Brad Hunter: 0
Steve Toros: 0
Jamie Hemeros: 0
Leon Toros: -1
Naomi Fluegel: 2
Harry Champ: 0

Kill Count:
Bit: 4
Leena: 6
Brad: 4
Leon: 1
Tiger Team: 2
Naomi Fluegel: 5
Harry: 0
 
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Personally I rather like Harry but maybe that's just me, I find him one of the better characters in the series. I honestly hadn't remembered Bit being this tactical or Leena being this awful a person. The worst I remembered offhand was her beating the tobacco juice out of Bit over a cookie but active team-killing... maybe that's just lower in my mind now.
 

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Personally I rather like Harry but maybe that's just me, I find him one of the better characters in the series. I honestly hadn't remembered Bit being this tactical or Leena being this awful a person. The worst I remembered offhand was her beating the tobacco juice out of Bit over a cookie but active team-killing... maybe that's just lower in my mind now.

To be fair, Bit's not always this smart, as shown by his fight with the blade liger. "Hm, I usually attack by jumping along the side of the enemy and slashing as a I pass. And this zoid has a giant sword mounted right in the path I would be on if I tried that.......I'm gonna try it anyway!" followed by "Ow, I got clotheslined by a giant sword, how could this have happened?"

And I don't really dislike Harry, as an antagonist he's not really that bad. He's just not as interesting or compelling as Naomi, Jack, Stigma, or Peirce, and he shows up too often and his only two character traits get really grating after a while. If there was less of him, he would be a lot better, particularly because time spent with Harry is time not spent with someone else. Peirce only shows up twice, and she only really gets the spotlight in one of those episodes, they could have easily scrapped one of the "Harry has loads of money and is in love with Leena" episodes and had Peirce do something. And like I said, he does at least highlight one of Leena's very few good points, which is nice because she'd come off so much worse without him.

I think part of my distaste for Harry might also be that I'm a bit of That Kid, and don't really appreciate the slander-by-proxy of him being a friendless loser with no real relationships.
 

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