Attack on Titan: No, Eren definitely did something wrong

[Dovahkiin]

So, anyone here following this besides me? The manga's a few chapters away from ending, and the final season of the anime is premiering in five days as well.

Suffice it to say that the series has evolved quite dramatically from the image most probably know it by. Nevertheless, or perhaps because of that in large part, it's still one of the very best manga/anime out there (not that that's saying much), and any who still think it's just about an angry kid and his steampunk ninja friends fighting giant zombies should definitely check out where the plot is right now.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

I have been following the manga although I wouldn't say its ending so soon I am guessing it will take at least another half year to wrap up unless its rushed.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I've been following the manga.

Spoiler: spoilers for AoT after chapter 99

No it's not ending in a few chapters. It's not going to end for at least 6-8 months or so. It's going to take them at least 2 to 3 chapters to take out the Beast Titan (is it actually Zeke? some people think it's a fake). Then they have to actually deal with Eren himself, which will also take another 2-4 chapters. And then there's going to be 1-2 chapters of flashbacks and inner monologues and crazy Paths stuff that is supposed to explain everything. And then we will get an epilogue that will last 1-2 chapters.

Also yes Eren is 100% absolutely evil. The ending of chapter 99 greatly dampened my enthusiasm for the series. Up until that point, the story had been dark, but hopeful. There was the hope that, despite all of the horrible things that had happened, the sacrifices would not have been in vain and the heroes would have made the world a better place. But now the narrative is going "NOPE! humanity is made up of irredeemable bastards who repeat the same mistakes over and over again and we're all dooooooomed!" and it looks like we're headed for a bleak kill'em all ending. The first few pages of the latest chapter was waaaaaayyyy too much. At this point I'm going to stick around until the end (also the art is pretty good) but had I known it was going to go down like this, I would have never hopped on the AoT bandwagon in the first place. I hate nihilistic garbage.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

I've been following the manga.

Spoiler: spoilers for AoT after chapter 99

No it's not ending in a few chapters. It's not going to end for at least 6-8 months or so. It's going to take them at least 2 to 3 chapters to take out the Beast Titan (is it actually Zeke? some people think it's a fake). Then they have to actually deal with Eren himself, which will also take another 2-4 chapters. And then there's going to be 1-2 chapters of flashbacks and inner monologues and crazy Paths stuff that is supposed to explain everything. And then we will get an epilogue that will last 1-2 chapters.

Also yes Eren is 100% absolutely evil. The ending of chapter 99 greatly dampened my enthusiasm for the series. Up until that point, the story had been dark, but hopeful. There was the hope that, despite all of the horrible things that had happened, the sacrifices would not have been in vain and the heroes would have made the world a better place. But now the narrative is going "NOPE! humanity is made up of irredeemable bastards who repeat the same mistakes over and over again and we're all dooooooomed!" and it looks like we're headed for a bleak kill'em all ending. The first few pages of the latest chapter was waaaaaayyyy too much. At this point I'm going to stick around until the end (also the art is pretty good) but had I known it was going to go down like this, I would have never hopped on the AoT bandwagon in the first place. I hate nihilistic garbage.

Spoiler: Spoiler

I think the series has dipped in quality about ten or so chapters ago and it's my opinion Isayama had just been rushing it too much first the team up between the corps and Magath that came out of nowhere and then reveal about the 'flying titan' as a deus ex machina in the last two chapters with no buildup sealed that belief I personally think it's because the author is trying to get it finished in a hurry for the anime studios...

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Spoiler: Spoiler

I think the series has dipped in quality about ten or so chapters ago and it's my opinion Isayama had just been rushing it too much first the team up between the corps and Magath that came out of nowhere and then reveal about the 'flying titan' as a deus ex machina in the last two chapters with no buildup sealed that belief I personally think it's because the author is trying to get it finished in a hurry for the anime studios...

Spoiler

Flying titan was kinda alluded to right after the timeskip, when the Marleyan officers offhandedly speculated about a flying titan (and then in chapter 100 you had the black comedy segment of Eren belly flopping into the stands of Marleyan officers). So I didn't dismiss the idea of a flying titan, but it feels weird that it seems to be being built up as the end-all-be-all titan.

I like the more brisk pace of the manga now. I don't think it's being rushed.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Spoiler: spoilers for AoT after chapter 99

No it's not ending in a few chapters. It's not going to end for at least 6-8 months or so.

Spoiler

I mean, that's close enough to the range I had in mind with "a few".

Spoiler: spoilers for AoT after chapter 99

It's going to take them at least 2 to 3 chapters to take out the Beast Titan (is it actually Zeke? some people think it's a fake).

Spoiler

Looks to me like they're on the verge of doing that already. But yeah, I strongly doubt it's actually Zeke, for several reasons. I'm of the opinion that the real one, whenever he shows up, will play the key role in defeating Eren.

Spoiler: spoilers for AoT after chapter 99

The ending of chapter 99 greatly dampened my enthusiasm for the series. Up until that point, the story had been dark, but hopeful. There was the hope that, despite all of the horrible things that had happened, the sacrifices would not have been in vain and the heroes would have made the world a better place. But now the narrative is going "NOPE! humanity is made up of irredeemable bastards who repeat the same mistakes over and over again and we're all dooooooomed!" and it looks like we're headed for a bleak kill'em all ending. The first few pages of the latest chapter was waaaaaayyyy too much. At this point I'm going to stick around until the end (also the art is pretty good) but had I known it was going to go down like this, I would have never hopped on the AoT bandwagon in the first place. I hate nihilistic garbage.

Spoiler

Well, I've been called unduly optimistic for this*, but I feel pretty confident that it won't end that way... although I have to admit I'll be likewise pissed off if it does. Mostly because, as you said, as dark as SnK has been, there's always been an element of hopefulness to it, and I can't see Isayama putting the cast through all this pain and sacrifice just to have it all mean nothing in the end.

With that in mind, I quite appreciate getting to see just how brutal and horrific the Rumbling is close-up.

* Then again, it came from a largely unironic "Eren did nothing wrong!" crowd who sincerely want him to win, so...

 

[Terthna]

Spoiler

Eren is one of those protagonists turned villain characters where you really understand why he turned out the way he did; his world does suck, as do most of the people in it, and it's perfectly understandable why anyone who lived there would want to burn it all to the ground. Personally, I think the author is going to have Eren utterly destroy civilization as his world knows it, only for him to be stopped before he succeeds at destroying all life; meaning whoever's left is going to be starting over from scratch, with the implication that they'll build something better than what came before.

 

[Arlos]

Spoiler

I personally think Eren will actually « win »(can anyone even win here?) and carry it trough to the end....and then modify all the Paradisian memory so that the Original intro into the world of attack on titan became their truths(AKA, Humanity was almost exterminated by theTitan, and they were hiding behind the wall until, oops, they all died out) so they don’t have to shoulder the guilt and can truly be free. Of course, I don’t think Eren will want to live after that, he already look crushed, has been for a while now, by what he is doing, and since Ackerman are immune to the mind fuckery, my thought is, he probably want either Mikasa or Levi to kill him after he is done.
An ending of blissful ignorance for all, a « paradise » built on a mound of corpses and lies, except for the Ackerman, who will have to live with it forever.

I know it’s kind of a bleak outlook, but it kind of fit Isayama style I’d say.
Not gonna lie, I much preferred the «Humanity must band together to face the colossal menace theme » we had at the beginning, it’s really my favorite genre tbh, but I guess the current story is supposed to make you truly stop and think.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Well, even if Eren is successful in erasing and replacing the collective memories of the Eldians, sooner or later someone will dig up the bodies and remaining wreckage.

 

[Arlos]

Well, even if Eren is successful in erasing and replacing the collective memories of the Eldians, sooner or later someone will dig up the bodies and remaining wreckage.

Spoiler

Which just confirm the fact the the apocalypse did happen, and that the Titan did kill off the majority of Humanity, in fact, the advanced tech wreckage also confirm the original lore that pre-titan humanity was supposed to be more advanced than the peoples in the wall.
It’s just my speculation anyways, the author might do something entirely different.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Well, even if Eren is successful in erasing and replacing the collective memories of the Eldians, sooner or later someone will dig up the bodies and remaining wreckage.

That's unlikely considering the rumbling is destroying all remains of civilization evolve ground and this is early 1900 material erosion should wipe away most traces within 2000 years leaving only legends...

 

[Dovahkiin]

Spoiler: Latest Chapter

Well, I was wondering how Eren would stop the alliance, now that they're on him, from just digging around until they find him... but I wasn't expecting that. Looks like Titan forms are a lot more diverse than we thought they could be.

Big question is... what's Armin gonna do inside Eren?

Also, new key visual for the anime.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Spoiler: Attack on Titan chapter 135

LOL sudden tentacle hentai, poor Armin

Bertholdt?

Sounds like the Titan powers/Paths acts like One For All from MHA, where the soul of each user is absorbed into the Paths, and Eren/Ymir are forcible summoning those spirits and compelling them to fight for him.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Spoiler: Attack on Titan chapter 135

LOL sudden tentacle hentai, poor Armin

Bertholdt?

Sounds like the Titan powers/Paths acts like One For All from MHA, where the soul of each user is absorbed into the Paths, and Eren/Ymir are forcible summoning those spirits and compelling them to fight for him.

Spoiler

It does make sense. We already have that precognitor of all Titans, what's a couple more?

 

[Dovahkiin]

The Season 4 premiere is out, so here's the OP...




... and the ED (with some spoiler footage from the very end of the episode).




And that was a great first episode! Wasn't entirely sure how I felt about the new animation from the previews, but my concerns have definitely been assuaged. The action looked great across the board, and I Ioved the additional focus on the Eldian soldiers.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

That's unlikely considering the rumbling is destroying all remains of civilization evolve ground and this is early 1900 material erosion should wipe away most traces within 2000 years leaving only legends...

Here’s one hope, the power of the Titans is gone forever, or goes back to wherever it came from and doesn’t transfer to any other Eldians

I’m honestly betting there is a sort of afterlife that transcends space and time tied to biological matter

Maybe with this we’ll see everyone who’s dead reuniting....or Eren goes under a self imposed hell in this biomatter afterlife

 

[Dovahkiin]

Yams has confirmed that the series will end on Chapter 139 (four chapters away).

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Yams has confirmed that the series will end on Chapter 139 (four chapters away).

Each chapter is 40 pages.

It will take at least 2 chapters for the final battle to wrap up, possibly 3.

Which leaves the last chapter, 40 pages, for the epilogue.

No way. There is too much to wrap up for the epilogue to just be 40 pages. We need to find out what happened to Paradis, what happens to everyone in the years after, what happens to the rest of the world, etc.

I'm guessing that the final chapter, the epilogue, will be a special extended chapter that is like 60-80 pages or something.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Spoiler: Chapter 136: Devote Your Hearts

That might be the last we'll see of Kiyomi and Yelena, but I'm not sure. I kinda suspect that Mikasa will go to Hizuru after all this is done, and her reaction upon hearing that the boat sank reinforces that suspicion a bit.

"That's why we need to stop the Rumbling! We need to repay her kindness!" Um... you could afford to reexamine your priorities, Gabi. Who is clearly going to do something with her Chekhov's Anti-Titan Rifle, but I'm not sure what yet.

Looking increasingly likely that Mikasa will be the one to kill Eren... although I expect several others will have critical roles in that coming to pass. Also looks like the eldritch spine thing will show up, probably giving them a way to end the Titans forever by killing it.

No way in hell are the Eldians and Marleyans going to shoot each other up. In part because that would validate the hopeless cynicism the series has been about overcoming, and in part because Secretary Muller had that whole speech about moving beyond the sins of the past, while Mr. Leonhart's already trying to prevent violence. I expect they'll work together to man the fort's artillery and help out the alliance somehow... maybe by distracting Eren's Titans or setting off the explosives on his neck, IDK.

Who knew Pieck was such a badass... I think Jean still probably should have rescued her though. Her death flags are pretty strong right now.

So Zeke's in the Paths, which isn't surprising. But is he dead, or just in whatever state Armin's in? I hope it's the latter and he's capable of helping out physically (instead of just in the Paths), because I want him to have one last interaction with Levi. In which the latter realizes he doesn't need to kill Zeke to honor Erwin, and gives up on that for the greater good.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Yams has confirmed that the series will end on Chapter 139 (four chapters away).

Who's Guts' Berserker Armor or Bugs' Berserker Armor?

And girl with cigarette?