CarlManvers2019
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What if he was there to see and witness and hear Joffrey’s insanities and even saw the whole cat gutting thing during a visit?
What if he was there to see and witness and hear Joffrey’s insanities and even saw the whole cat gutting thing during a visit?
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So here is a rec.
It is a short story about the King and Ned going on a royal procession after the Greyjoy rebellion. It is just a light hearted fluff piece about Ned getting all the unwanted kids in Westeros.
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It is a short story about the King and Ned going on a royal procession after the Greyjoy rebellion. It is just a light hearted fluff piece about Ned getting all the unwanted kids in Westeros.
CarlManvers2019
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Idea: The Small Council somehow all get drunk and high on some strange concoction and when they all wake up, three years have passed
The Seven Kingdoms of Westeros have been renamed as the Empire of The Planetos
They went off Beyond-The-Wall and got Mance Rayder to kneel by getting him to tie his non-existent shoelaces, went off and conquered The Lands of Always Winter via weird courtly intrigue and taking advantage of the Others overestimating or underestimating them and made use of the Others’ Magitek to fight off the Deep Ones
Robert had a bastard with a Merling/Deep One and Stannis gifted Shireen with a giant sea serpent and got her Greyscale cured
They conquered Essos and banned slavery and replaced it with regular labor
They went off and explored and conquered the other continents
Sandor Clegane was made to fight a giant Balrog-like creature in Asshai or Stygai and conquered his fear of fire
Tyrion is now Master of Coin and was turned into a Manticore, specifically a Monster Girl Encyclopedia type one and is still blonde
Catelyn now knows about Jon Snow’s true parentage and they already had extra children
And so on
The Seven Kingdoms of Westeros have been renamed as the Empire of The Planetos
They went off Beyond-The-Wall and got Mance Rayder to kneel by getting him to tie his non-existent shoelaces, went off and conquered The Lands of Always Winter via weird courtly intrigue and taking advantage of the Others overestimating or underestimating them and made use of the Others’ Magitek to fight off the Deep Ones
Robert had a bastard with a Merling/Deep One and Stannis gifted Shireen with a giant sea serpent and got her Greyscale cured
They conquered Essos and banned slavery and replaced it with regular labor
They went off and explored and conquered the other continents
Sandor Clegane was made to fight a giant Balrog-like creature in Asshai or Stygai and conquered his fear of fire
Tyrion is now Master of Coin and was turned into a Manticore, specifically a Monster Girl Encyclopedia type one and is still blonde
Catelyn now knows about Jon Snow’s true parentage and they already had extra children
And so on
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
And Joffery fell off the Red Keep's highest tower to his doom and dragged Cersei with him in a desperate attempt not to fall
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CarlManvers2019
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Myrcella and Tommen were somehow happier than ever before
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
And so is Robert.
CarlManvers2019
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Not Tywin and Jaime though
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Jamie took a axe to the head during the conquest of Essos and Tywin died of a heart attack when the news of Jamie's death arrived within two minutes of the news of Cersei's and Joffrey's deaths
CarlManvers2019
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TBF to Tywin, realizing his disgrace of a son became this
Resulted in an earlier heart attack that he barely recovered from
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
I guess Kevan's kids will carry on the Lannisters line thenTBF to Tywin, realizing his disgrace of a son became this
Resulted in an earlier heart attack that he barely recovered from
CarlManvers2019
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Lancel invented the breastplate stretcher
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Too bad he did so a solid year after Robert went on a diet(well for a king that is so he's still having around 4,000 calories per day)and exercised like mad
CarlManvers2019
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Exercise? I think he's too busy splitting skulls to be doing that
Say, how well do you think Skagosi Unicorns would do for Westeros' economy? Saw a fic once, where it was mentioned that Skagosi went to the North for refuge during the Second Long Night and the use of Skagosi Unicorns spread from there to the mainland
Knowledgeispower
Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
That's a form of exercise
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Here’s a Robert’s Rebellion what if.
Oberyn wanted to raise Dorne’s banners for Viserys, after Elia and her children were slain. Let’s say that Jon Arryn is killed in Dorne by Oberyn or some other vengeful dornishman.
Under the flag of negotiations.
Robert is of course, going to burn Sunspear down for this.
But let’s say that Darry does go to Dorne from the free cities. With young viserys betrothed to Arianne(who I think was born then?). Oberyn more or less intends to die fighting and spill as much Lannister and Baratheon blood as he can.
Well first off-I think BLAST remains fairly cohesive. There will likely be some minor risings in the Riverlands but Hoster will suppress any targaryen loyalists.
So both sides mobilize for war. Oberyn likely tries to get as much Essosi support as possible. The Martell brothers likely agree on a strategy of pro active defense and hoping that the targ loyalists will rise against Robert.
I can see certain reach houses deciding to back the dornish, the Tyrells are in an uncomfortable position here-Robert knows good and well that they didn’t do much except wait to see who came out on top. But they have to demonstrate their loyalty to Robert somehow. So Mace probably supports Robert. Alongside the other houses married into the Tyrell family. The Hightowers and Redwynes in particular. Rowan and other targ loyalists likely raise their banners for Viserys-and put the reach in a state of civil war.
This forces Mace to concentrate the bulk of his attention dealing with that problem.
Robert will likely wish to march through the Bone mountains, with the Royal Navy blockading Sunspear. Perhaps a coordinated offensive by sea as well. Attacking western Dorne and Starfall. The Lannister’s, Arryns, Starks, Tullies, and Baratheons will likely aim for this approach. With Tywin, Ned, and Arryn all vying for the King’s Counsel.
Numerically-they outnumber the Dornish and any reach allies they can muster.
But the Dornish decide to fight to the end. Less for Viserys and more for Elia.
They do use guerrilla attacks, assassinations, and the like to wear down Robert’s forces.
However, inevitably Sunspear will fall. And Viserys will definitely be slain. Alongside Daenerys(if she isn’t sent to the Silent Sister’s at Ned’s urging).
Assuming similar Dornish resistance to aegon and Daeron-BLAST does suffer heavy losses and many characters of canon like Ned, Jaimie, Stannis, even Robert himself could all potentially die here.
However Robert has two brothers, though Cersei will likely not be getting pregnant. Especially if Jaimie is fighting in Dorne with Robert.
If Stannis dies but Robert lives-he likely names his heir with Cersei the future prince of dragonstone, but it would be handed to a castellan. If Robert dies, Stannis takes the throne. Cersei without having given the king a son but otherwise not disgraced or having committed any treason is sent back to the west. Though I’d have to check the timeline as to when Stannis married Selyse and if he’d do so in a continuing war. I sort of doubt it.
If Stannis and Robert die-young renly takes the throne under a regency council. Though I doubt that. I can also see Ned dying, Jaimie dying, Barristan dying, to Dornish spears or poison. All of which have effects.
Ultimately I can see this securing the Baratheon dynasty or fatally weakening it. Ned will likely be more sympathetic to the Dornish though he will still fight for Robert out of loyalty. Tywin will be happy to crush the martells and Arryn will likely be aggrieved it had to come to this but not oppose the attainment or destruction of house Martell. For the security of Robert’s reign.
Basically I’m imaging the war starting more or less as soon as Dany and Viserys escaped from dragonstone-or when they were still on dragonstone. So Robert’s rebellion doesn’t actually end but the war continues.
Heck-depending on the timeframe there might not be any Cersei-Robert marriage. My memory of the timeline of RR isn’t that specific in how all the events line up. If not Tywin will still push for it as soon as the Dornish threat is dealt with.
The Greyjoys under Balon likely remain neutral to tentatively pro Robert. If the war turns into a debacle-they start raiding and reaving again. Feeling the Baratheon dynasty is going to collapse. If it steamrolls the Dornish and Robert comes out even stronger-they likely decide to wait. Balon however probably does not support Robert in any military capacity.
The crownlands are weak and pretty much tepidly pro Baratheon. Not out of any loyalty to Robert so much as they know they will be crushed and replaced if they don’t support the king.
In any event, LF likely never reaches the small council. And Varys has to dramatically change his plans. Depending on how strong or weak the Baratheon dynasty comes out of the war.
It may be more houses rise for Viserys if he is in Westeros to rise for. More Riverlands and reach houses, potentially some lords of the crownlands and narrow sea. If Robert doesn’t have a chance to solidify his rule.
The best Viserys can hope for is that these scattered pro targ rebellions buy time and weaken Robert enough for the BLAST coalition to fracture. But honestly I don’t see there being some massive “for the dragons!” uprising against Robert. Due to the fact Robert has smashed them in battle, and his dynasty has at least five great houses behind him.
@Ganurath thoughts here?
Oberyn wanted to raise Dorne’s banners for Viserys, after Elia and her children were slain. Let’s say that Jon Arryn is killed in Dorne by Oberyn or some other vengeful dornishman.
Under the flag of negotiations.
Robert is of course, going to burn Sunspear down for this.
But let’s say that Darry does go to Dorne from the free cities. With young viserys betrothed to Arianne(who I think was born then?). Oberyn more or less intends to die fighting and spill as much Lannister and Baratheon blood as he can.
Well first off-I think BLAST remains fairly cohesive. There will likely be some minor risings in the Riverlands but Hoster will suppress any targaryen loyalists.
So both sides mobilize for war. Oberyn likely tries to get as much Essosi support as possible. The Martell brothers likely agree on a strategy of pro active defense and hoping that the targ loyalists will rise against Robert.
I can see certain reach houses deciding to back the dornish, the Tyrells are in an uncomfortable position here-Robert knows good and well that they didn’t do much except wait to see who came out on top. But they have to demonstrate their loyalty to Robert somehow. So Mace probably supports Robert. Alongside the other houses married into the Tyrell family. The Hightowers and Redwynes in particular. Rowan and other targ loyalists likely raise their banners for Viserys-and put the reach in a state of civil war.
This forces Mace to concentrate the bulk of his attention dealing with that problem.
Robert will likely wish to march through the Bone mountains, with the Royal Navy blockading Sunspear. Perhaps a coordinated offensive by sea as well. Attacking western Dorne and Starfall. The Lannister’s, Arryns, Starks, Tullies, and Baratheons will likely aim for this approach. With Tywin, Ned, and Arryn all vying for the King’s Counsel.
Numerically-they outnumber the Dornish and any reach allies they can muster.
But the Dornish decide to fight to the end. Less for Viserys and more for Elia.
They do use guerrilla attacks, assassinations, and the like to wear down Robert’s forces.
However, inevitably Sunspear will fall. And Viserys will definitely be slain. Alongside Daenerys(if she isn’t sent to the Silent Sister’s at Ned’s urging).
Assuming similar Dornish resistance to aegon and Daeron-BLAST does suffer heavy losses and many characters of canon like Ned, Jaimie, Stannis, even Robert himself could all potentially die here.
However Robert has two brothers, though Cersei will likely not be getting pregnant. Especially if Jaimie is fighting in Dorne with Robert.
If Stannis dies but Robert lives-he likely names his heir with Cersei the future prince of dragonstone, but it would be handed to a castellan. If Robert dies, Stannis takes the throne. Cersei without having given the king a son but otherwise not disgraced or having committed any treason is sent back to the west. Though I’d have to check the timeline as to when Stannis married Selyse and if he’d do so in a continuing war. I sort of doubt it.
If Stannis and Robert die-young renly takes the throne under a regency council. Though I doubt that. I can also see Ned dying, Jaimie dying, Barristan dying, to Dornish spears or poison. All of which have effects.
Ultimately I can see this securing the Baratheon dynasty or fatally weakening it. Ned will likely be more sympathetic to the Dornish though he will still fight for Robert out of loyalty. Tywin will be happy to crush the martells and Arryn will likely be aggrieved it had to come to this but not oppose the attainment or destruction of house Martell. For the security of Robert’s reign.
Basically I’m imaging the war starting more or less as soon as Dany and Viserys escaped from dragonstone-or when they were still on dragonstone. So Robert’s rebellion doesn’t actually end but the war continues.
Heck-depending on the timeframe there might not be any Cersei-Robert marriage. My memory of the timeline of RR isn’t that specific in how all the events line up. If not Tywin will still push for it as soon as the Dornish threat is dealt with.
The Greyjoys under Balon likely remain neutral to tentatively pro Robert. If the war turns into a debacle-they start raiding and reaving again. Feeling the Baratheon dynasty is going to collapse. If it steamrolls the Dornish and Robert comes out even stronger-they likely decide to wait. Balon however probably does not support Robert in any military capacity.
The crownlands are weak and pretty much tepidly pro Baratheon. Not out of any loyalty to Robert so much as they know they will be crushed and replaced if they don’t support the king.
In any event, LF likely never reaches the small council. And Varys has to dramatically change his plans. Depending on how strong or weak the Baratheon dynasty comes out of the war.
It may be more houses rise for Viserys if he is in Westeros to rise for. More Riverlands and reach houses, potentially some lords of the crownlands and narrow sea. If Robert doesn’t have a chance to solidify his rule.
The best Viserys can hope for is that these scattered pro targ rebellions buy time and weaken Robert enough for the BLAST coalition to fracture. But honestly I don’t see there being some massive “for the dragons!” uprising against Robert. Due to the fact Robert has smashed them in battle, and his dynasty has at least five great houses behind him.
@Ganurath thoughts here?
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They're basically giant Eland sized goats with an ivory tusk on their head able to fight Direwolves? And hyperaggressive to boot
My guess is they become an ecological cataclysm to the reach. Near ton and a half sized locusts. They eat everything
On the other hand slap some armor on the crazy fuckers and use em in a cavalry charge and hooobooyy
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CarlManvers2019
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That reminds me of how I heard once as to how reindeer and stags are basically giant rats that eat lots of newly planted or growing trees before they can really grow and sort of cause ecological collapses after awhile
Ganurath
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You had a good setup for a cautionary tale about the tragedy of revenge cycles, but in forsaking a narrative focused on characters that would compel reader interest in favor of focusing on the political climate and the strategic picture it became less emotionally engaging than my average visit to the Department of Motor Vehicles.
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I sort of zoomed out yeah to focus on the great political schema. Which is in general where my taste lies(not in ASOIAF specifically but in general).
I do think you could tell a very emotionally engaging story with this though. A sorrowful Ned who doesn't hold any enmity to the Dornish but fights against them anyway, a young Stannis eager to prove his mettle, a vengeful Tywin who is eager to put the Martells who slighted him in the ground, a vacillating sad Jon Arryn who doesn't particularly like the idea of what Robert is going to do, but feels its a grim necessity.
Oberyn forcing Doran's hand by killing Arryn(scratch the above) or some other representative. And the brothers deciding to die for Elia, and take Robert and his dogs to the Seven Hells with them, a Jaimie who eagerly wishes to prove his valor as a knight but who also feels horribly guilty breaking his oaths even more to defend the Targaryen family.
You could end the story with Sunspear burned and the Martell's heads on pikes. Hundreds of thousands have died, mostly Dornishmen who died fighting for two men's vengeance. Ned dies, Arryn dies. Tywin loses Jaimie to a poisoned arrow. Viserys is slain alongside Daenerys.
Robert is really depressed and sinks into depression much sooner and then has to marry Cersei anyway. Who has lost her marbles from her brother's death. Stannis still doesn't get much credit as Robert is too deep in his own grief to bother giving it to him.
Tywin himself loses Jaimie and his daughter for some reason has entirely lost her already small wit. He suffered wounds of his own, and is now staring at Tyrion as the unwanted heir.
It makes RR end far more tragically, than it already did.
CarlManvers2019
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Idea: All nobility from lowest to highest, male and female, are ONLY capable of reproducing female children
This occurs sometime before Aegon’s Conquest and the nobility realize that it will be a YUGE problem trying to do marriage alliances and even getting heirs if virtually every child is female
Even the bastards are female, though a bastards’ child or a bastards’ bastards’ descendents maybe male
This occurs sometime before Aegon’s Conquest and the nobility realize that it will be a YUGE problem trying to do marriage alliances and even getting heirs if virtually every child is female
Even the bastards are female, though a bastards’ child or a bastards’ bastards’ descendents maybe male