Britain Argentina Is Trying To Get the Falklands Again

[Bacle]

James Cleverly says Falklands are British as Argentina ends deal

Argentina has broken a co-operation deal and is calling for talks over the sovereignty of the Falklands.

www.bbc.com

So the Argie's want to 'have talks about the sovereignty of the Falklands' again.

Wonder how much the British are itching to send the QE's down their to demonstrate if the Argie's decide to try something.

 

[ATP]

James Cleverly says Falklands are British as Argentina ends deal

Argentina has broken a co-operation deal and is calling for talks over the sovereignty of the Falklands.

www.bbc.com

So the Argie's want to 'have talks about the sovereignty of the Falklands' again.

Wonder how much the British are itching to send the QE's down their to demonstrate if the Argie's decide to try something.

If half stories about how woke brits become are true,then Argies could win this time.

 

[PsihoKekec]

then Argies could win this time.

Win with what? Their navy and air force are gone and army is a shadow of it's former self. While we like to talk shit about the sorry state of British Armed Forces, Argentinian Armed Forces are in much worse state and Falklands Self Defense Force could fight off any attempts that Argentina would be capable of.

Argentinian politicians do the Falklands are Argentinian clay every few years, it's a bullshit for internal consumption.

 

[Yinko]

If half stories about how woke brits become are true, then Argies could win this time.

Yes, but if half the stories about the Argentinians are true then the Islanders might be able to win on their own.

 

[ATP]

Win with what? Their navy and air force are gone and army is a shadow of it's former self. While we like to talk shit about the sorry state of British Armed Forces, Argentinian Armed Forces are in much worse state and Falklands Self Defense Force could fight off any attempts that Argentina would be capable of.

Argentinian politicians do the Falklands are Argentinian clay every few years, it's a bullshit for internal consumption.

Win with mucho macho !

 

[Cherico]

This is litterally retarded.


This is a map of the southern cone.

This is a map of south america

Argentina right now is a land power, the UK is a naval power. The UK is in alliance with several other countries if your trying to expand then the Falklands gives you a maximum amount of power for a very tiny amount of land. And if you do go after them the UK is in alliance with several other countries and your facing them in their feild of strength. Its a waste of fucking resources.

If you want to expand and get maximum amount of gain you don't go up against the UK you go up against Chile.

Why? Tierra del Fuego, to be more exact Isla Grande de Teirra del Feugo. If you control the entirety of that island you control over 1800 square miles of land, you control the strait of magelian one of the more important straits in the world, your able to dominate shipping pasting the cape horn. You do a little bit of expansion in the direct south on top of taking that critical island and you now have full access to both pacific and atlantic trade and brother that is one hell of an edge.

On top of this you have a natural ally to fight Chile with and thats Bolivia a country that desperately wants access to the sea. You form links they attack from the north you attack from the south. Between the two countries you have what you need to make Santago come to terms.

The Bolivians get their coridor, and you walk away with access to two oceans, control over a very important stragic strait, and a much larger influance over all trade around the southern cone. This gets you more land, more influence and more money, and its a winnable fight.

Instead Argentina decides to piss away men, money and blood on a high risk low reward senerio.

Fucking stupid.

 

[Captain X]

Honestly I wonder at the UK having the will to do anything. Right now their military is more obsessed with "diversity and inclusion" than anything else, and it's not exactly Thatcher running things these days.

 

[King Arts]

James Cleverly says Falklands are British as Argentina ends deal

Argentina has broken a co-operation deal and is calling for talks over the sovereignty of the Falklands.

www.bbc.com

So the Argie's want to 'have talks about the sovereignty of the Falklands' again.

Wonder how much the British are itching to send the QE's down their to demonstrate if the Argie's decide to try something.

Curious why do you have this space battles hypocrisy of supporting the UK? You are against one imperial power regaining its territory Russia trying to reconquer Ukraine, yet you support another imperial power holding onto territory far from its homeland so it can project power far into the world. The UK.

 

[Bacle]

Curious why do you have this space battles hypocrisy of supporting the UK? You are against one imperial power regaining its territory Russia trying to reconquer Ukraine, yet you support another imperial power holding onto territory far from its homeland so it can project power far into the world. The UK.

...you have to be trolling.

 

[King Arts]

...you have to be trolling.

I mean look at the map. Falklands are right next to Argentina while England is thousands of miles away. My first thought is that the land belongs to Argentina or another South American nation.

 

[Bacle]

I mean look at the map. Falklands are right next to Argentina while England is thousands of miles away. My first thought is that the land belongs to Argentina or another South American nation.

Yep, you're trolling.

 

[King Arts]

Yep, you're trolling.

I see you are a full space battler. Just because someone says an opinion you don’t like that is not trolling. If I truly think fuck the English then it’s not trolling.

 

[Bacle]

I see you are a full space battler. Just because someone says an opinion you don’t like that is not trolling. If I truly think fuck the English then it’s not trolling.

I know you routinely come into threads accusing me of being something or another, that amount to purity spiral issues about how 'right wing, or not right wing enough' I am.

So no, I'm not going to take you seriously on this, and absolutely think you are trolling.

 

[King Arts]

I know you routinely come into threads accusing me of being something or another, that amount to purity spiral issues about how 'right wing, or not right wing enough' I am.

So no, I'm not going to take you seriously on this, and absolutely think you are trolling.

I do it because you act like a spacebattles poster constantly. Right now you are accusing me of trolling something they do over there if someone says something that is opposed to the neoliberal world.

 

[Marduk]

Curious why do you have this space battles hypocrisy of supporting the UK? You are against one imperial power regaining its territory Russia trying to reconquer Ukraine, yet you support another imperial power holding onto territory far from its homeland so it can project power far into the world. The UK.

>imperialism
Just because a third world country wants it doesn't make it imperialism to not give it to them.
Just because it's closer to you by sea than the other guy doesn't mean it's yours, if that was the case Cuba would have been a US state because it's closer to USA than to Spain.
Falklands were no man's land until 18th century, actually not inhabited by anyone.
Then Spain and Britain settled them non-permanently as a convenient stop point for ships and had a bit of a spat over it. Then the Spanish left, island also still had no permanent residents, it was just a occasional base for fishermen of various countries. Then UK and proto-Argentina had their first spat over claims, which UK won, and then settled them with own people. And that's where the history ends, besides Argentine's well known attempt to take them by force.
So, where's the imperialism? The vast majority of the island's inhabitants want nothing to do with Argentina nor independence, so it's Argentina that's being imperialist here.

 

[Bacle]

I do it because you act like a spacebattles poster constantly. Right now you are accusing me of trolling something they do over there if someone says something that is opposed to the neoliberal world.

You assume I have any issue with the Brits protecting their territory, territory which already said multiple times, and in multiple ways, that they are subjects of the Crown, not of Argentina.

Personally I think Thatcher was rather merciful in that she didn't decide to launch reprisals on the mainland of Argentina in response to the invasion, and completely gut Argentina's military in it's home ports/airfields.

And no, Argentina's claim is not valid at all. The islands didn't even have natives before the first Europeans got there, because no one but the English/Welsh would find the Falklands 'pleasant' most of the year. The issue was settle long ago by what became Argentina and the UK at the time.

 

[King Arts]

>imperialism
Just because a third world country wants it doesn't make it imperialism to not give it to them.
Just because it's closer to you by sea than the other guy doesn't mean it's yours, if that was the case Cuba would have been a US state because it's closer to USA than to Spain.
Falklands were no man's land until 18th century, actually not inhabited by anyone.
Then Spain and Britain settled them non-permanently as a convenient stop point for ships and had a bit of a spat over it. Then the Spanish left, island also still had no permanent residents, it was just a occasional base for fishermen of various countries. Then UK and proto-Argentina had their first spat over claims, which UK won, and then settled them with own people. And that's where the history ends, besides Argentine's well known attempt to take them by force.
So, where's the imperialism? The vast majority of the island's inhabitants want nothing to do with Argentina nor independence, so it's Argentina that's being imperialist here.

No just because a country wants it does not make it imperialism.
As for your example of Cuba that does not really work, Cuba is an independent nation. If you are talking about in the past yes America got independence first, while Cuba was still part of Spain. But America started as an English colony, Cuba as a Spanish colony. They weren't really related.
Your arguments about it being no man's land and not having any human habitation however are much more persuasive.

You assume I have any issue with the Brits protecting their territory, territory which already said multiple times, and in multiple ways, that they are subjects of the Crown, not of Argentina.

Personally I think Thatcher was rather merciful in that she didn't decide to launch reprisals on the mainland of Argentina in response to the invasion, and completely gut Argentina's military in it's home ports/airfields.

And no, Argentina's claim is not valid at all. The islands didn't even have natives before the first Europeans got there, because no one but the English/Welsh would find the Falklands 'pleasant' most of the year. The issue was settle long ago by what became Argentina and the UK at the time.

Obviously the fact that Argentina is not letting it go means it was not settled.
But just a question you say the locals want to be part of the UK. Would you say the same to the locals of Crimea if they said they did not want to be part of Ukraine, or would you say no? Before you bring up "Oh the elections aren't legitimate!" assume they are, the people in Crimea say they are Russian and don't want to be part of Ukraine they would prefer being part of Russia but would settle for independence or being part of another state that is not Ukraine. Would you accept that or would you say no that Ukraine still gets it?

 

[Bacle]

Obviously the fact that Argentina is not letting it go means it was not settled.
But just a question you say the locals want to be part of the UK. Would you say the same to the locals of Crimea if they said they did not want to be part of Ukraine, or would you say no? Before you bring up "Oh the elections aren't legitimate!" assume they are, the people in Crimea say they are Russian and don't want to be part of Ukraine they would prefer being part of Russia but would settle for independence or being part of another state that is not Ukraine. Would you accept that or would you say no that Ukraine still gets it?

Fucking wow, you really want to try to pull the 'Russia annexed Crimea peacefully' card and compare this to Ukraine.

It was the Argie who attempted a 'gun point referendum' in the Falklands, and it was Russia who did a 'gun point referendum' in Crimea

You are an utter scumbag and twisted literal Russian shill.

 

[Marduk]

No just because a country wants it does not make it imperialism.
As for your example of Cuba that does not really work, Cuba is an independent nation. If you are talking about in the past yes America got independence first, while Cuba was still part of Spain. But America started as an English colony, Cuba as a Spanish colony. They weren't really related.

But there was a pretty long period of time when USA was independent while Cuba was part of Spain. For that period, USA may as well have used the same argument.
Besides that, Argentina started as a Spanish colony, while Falklands started as a British settlement on previously uninhabited land, however unlike Cuba, for obvious reasons related to size alone if nothing else, it made no sense for them to go independent.

Obviously the fact that Argentina is not letting it go means it was not settled.

By that logic no territorial conflict is settled because it can be refreshed at any point.

But just a question you say the locals want to be part of the UK. Would you say the same to the locals of Crimea if they said they did not want to be part of Ukraine, or would you say no?

Let's not bring Crimea into it, shall we? It's a terrible analogy, because it has a far longer and mixed history of ownership (starting with ancient Greeks for recorded history alone) and settlement than Falklands, including more than 2 parties, some without clear descendant states, and influence of stalinist "demographic engineering" more recently.
And if the fruits of the latter are a valid answer to accusations of imperialism for you... what value do these accusations have at all?

 

[King Arts]

Fucking wow, you really want to try to pull the 'Russia annexed Crimea peacefully' card and compare this to Ukraine.

It was the Argie who attempted a 'gun point referendum' in the Falklands, and it was Russia who did a 'gun point referendum' in Crimea

You are an utter scumbag and twisted literal Russian shill.

And you are an utter scumbag and twisted western shill.

Also I said assume the election is actually supported by the people. I’m using it as a hypothetical because I remember having a conversation with either you or Marduk about Koingsburg and you said fuck what the local population said all 1 million citizen’s should be removed and the land given to Poland. If Marduk said it I give him a pass as he is Polish and because of history he has a reason to hate Russians, you don’t. And you used the argument that the local self determination of Falklanders says they want to be British fine. But why should a population of 2000 have more self determination than a population of 1 million?

But there was a pretty long period of time when USA was independent while Cuba was part of Spain. For that period, USA may as well have used the same argument.
Besides that, Argentina started as a Spanish colony, while Falklands started as a British settlement on previously uninhabited land, however unlike Cuba, for obvious reasons related to size alone if nothing else, it made no sense for them to go independent.

I mean this argument would only work if America seceded from the same nation that owned Cuba. English colonists were different than Spanish. If you used Canada then it would work.

By that logic no territorial conflict is settled because it can be refreshed at any point.

I mean not really I’d point to Germany they renounced all claims on former eastern lands. Does Poland really think Germans are getting ready for round 3?

Let's not bring Crimea into it, shall we? It's a terrible analogy, because it has a far longer and mixed history of ownership (starting with ancient Greeks for recorded history alone) and settlement than Falklands, including more than 2 parties, some without clear descendant states, and influence of stalinist "demographic engineering" more recently.
And if the fruits of the latter are a valid answer to accusations of imperialism for you... what value do these accusations have at all?

I was not bringing it up for the historical analogy, I was bringing it up to challenge Bacle support based on “it’s what the local people want”