Anyone else here dabble in the stock market or invest?

Es Arcanum

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Thought I'd start a thread to talk about this. All the usual disclaimers if needed about this not being a financial advice thread yada yada yada.

But it's certainly something that's never much if ever discussed on this forum or the old pre-woke SB for that matter. But investments and stocks and all things related are pretty interesting and here is a good a place as any to shoot the breeze.

Recently the stock markets have taken quite a hit and the whole covid-19 business has opened up a whole range of opportunities and it would be interesting to see folks thoughts here.

I'm personally of the view that recently has been a great time to invest in stuff and have done so more than usual.


A) Most companies including some pretty solid companies which provide essential stuff to the economy have had their share prices much reduced offering a bargain.

B) Dividends have also taken a big hit but I'm of the view that this will reverse in future as companies find their feet again.

C) Some companies won't last or there will be some significant restructuring in the future making the picking of which shares to buy more important than ever.

D) Some companies which have thrived during the covid crisis are probably vastly over-valued for post covid conditions but offer a short sellers paradise in the meantime.

E) It's always important to check year on year sales BEFORE covid hit (everyone was higher before) but a failing company is still a failing company.

Now I prefer to invest the bulk of my funds in companies that are essential to the economy for the bulk of my investments. Companies that can either rely on an (almost) guaranteed pipeline of projects or sales to keep them going. i.e major financial institutions or utility/ infrastructure holders, basic materials * and so forth. Likely recipients of government cash seem safer.

* I've tried to avoid stuff grossly reliant on Chinese consumption as I smell potential trouble there.

I don't expect pre-covid performance to return overnight and with the levels of debt racked up it could take a couple years to recover. But I'm hoping that my initial investment in the bargain shares will grow in value AND that dividends will eventually grow and return.

Having said that I 'have' taken a punt on a couple things which is so far working out well (turns out that stocks in an ammo manufacturer in a US election year is a good buy 😄). But I have been leery of Tech stocks as I still remember the tech bubble collapse years ago.


Anyway atm I'm closely watching Carnival stocks to see how much lower they will go. If they survive then it could be a good long-term investment (with the possibility of room credit 😄) but it's a risk. If I go for it I'll probably not invest too much in it.

So what about other folks here? Whats your strategy to make profit out of this whole shitshow?
 

Culsu

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Slow and steady, that's my strategy.

That definately sounds better than "I've only got cash for a small ETF investment plan per month." ;) I've got a large watchlist that I'd like to invest in - primarily dividend stocks - but with the house still not finished it'll be years until I can put aside substantial funds for investing again.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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I'd like to figure this out, since I want to make sure I am financially secure. I am rather worried about this.
 

Es Arcanum

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Slow and steady, that's my strategy.

That definately sounds better than "I've only got cash for a small ETF investment plan per month." ;) I've got a large watchlist that I'd like to invest in - primarily dividend stocks - but with the house still not finished it'll be years until I can put aside substantial funds for investing again.

Well a house itself is an investment. Probably the most secure type there is.


I'd like to figure this out, since I want to make sure I am financially secure. I am rather worried about this.

The kicker for my latest forays was my bank which had the 'best' interest rate I could find lowering it again, this time below inflation levels. So you're literally losing money (not too much but still) by leaving it sitting in a savings account.

So best to keep enough cash there to cover a rainy day and other unforseen events but put the rest into something that will actually grow. Stocks are one way, ETF's and Mutual Funds are a good way for a beginner or someone unsure to dabble. Real Estate is good too but comes with high entry costs and a lot of commitments.
 

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I'm invested in PENN (Penn National Gaming), because they own Barstool Sports, and that seems to just keep going up. I put the rest of my money in a generic SPY, which is just an S&P 500 stock. Then a bunch of money in the bank. I plan on moving more of my money into stocks in the future, but I'm slowly phasing in money, making sure I have enough in the bank to be safe. Also, if you have a matching 401k, do it. That's basically free money.
 

Bear Ribs

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I tend to invest in real estate. This is because it's what I know. I actually got approved for another loan this morning that I intend to use to buy a somewhat damaged 3bd 1.5bath that needs some care but I expect to double within a year.

My general feeling is that almost all stock trading is done by machines moving at lightning speed and standard humans can't keep up. Experienced traders can beat the market but if you're not a professional, you'll get your lunch eaten by the people who are and who spend their whole workday figuring out how to do so.

You can hire a professional but they expect to be paid and the margins on stock trading are so low that paying your broker eats the benefit you might have. That leaves investing in an index fund, which is okay, but I can beat it with real estate.

Let me emphasize that's not for everybody though. I know how to hang a door, how to lay tile, how to hang or patch sheetrock, etc. Those skills represent my profit margin as I invest in houses with light damage and repair said damage myself or with minimal cheap help. If you can't fix that sort of thing you probably shouldn't invest in real estate because people like me who do it a lot will eat your lunch.

The bottom line is you should invest in what you have some understanding of, industries you're familiar with or jobs you know something about.
 

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My general feeling is that almost all stock trading is done by machines moving at lightning speed and standard humans can't keep up. Experienced traders can beat the market but if you're not a professional, you'll get your lunch eaten by the people who are and who spend their whole workday figuring out how to do so.

You can hire a professional but they expect to be paid and the margins on stock trading are so low that paying your broker eats the benefit you might have. That leaves investing in an index fund, which is okay, but I can beat it with real estate.
This is very true. Day trading is gambling. The only way to consistently make money if you don't want to spend every moment doing stocks is buy and hold.
 

Bear Ribs

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This is very true. Day trading is gambling. The only way to consistently make money if you don't want to spend every moment doing stocks is buy and hold.
Worse, it's gambling in a massive high-stakes game with thousands of professional gamblers.
 

Es Arcanum

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Day trading. i.e. buying stocks that you think are about to go up whilst they're cheap and then selling them immediately afterwards (for those who don't know) can indeed be like gambling.

But buying stocks in a company which you think will increase in value overtime (which is many of them atm... well, the ones which will survive anyway) and maybe pay dividends is a whole different kettle of fish.

I think a lot of people turned off by the stock market just look at day trading and think that that's what it's all about.

If you invest for the long-term in most your stocks and just limit yourself to one prospective punt and not for too much I think that's a good way to grow your initial investment. Shit, after you've received enough dividends to pay back your initial investment it's all extra money.
 
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Reklos

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Nice to see this is a thing. Anyone got any money in Apple or Telsa when the whole stock split goes down?
 

Hlaalu Agent

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I wish I had invested before it became overvalued. Now I have no chance of owning the stock and thus making bank off of it.
 

Culsu

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I wish I had invested before it became overvalued. Now I have no chance of owning the stock and thus making bank off of it.
Honestly, that's the chimeara every investor's chasing: getting invested early enough in "the next big thing".
 

Hlaalu Agent

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Honestly, that's the chimeara every investor's chasing: getting invested early enough in "the next big thing".

I have had a good track record of predicting these flashes in a pan (which you can still make bank on) or even wild successes, maybe I should immerse myself more and then see if I can't figure it out. Such as bitcoin or Trump.
 
I think I have an idea on how to NOT LOSE money on the stock market, but the thing is even if you do everything right, the returns seem absolutely miniscual to the point your better off just working your way to the top. if you bought $10,000 worth of netflix stock when it first went public, you'd earn a million...15 years after the fact. Meanwhile if you had a salary of $50,000 dollars a year, you'd make up 3/4 of that million and heck within a 15 year time span you could gain enough experience and education to get a job with a much higher salary.

for the kind of gamble the long term investment game is, it seems you'd be better off just living within your means and saving.
 
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Abhorsen

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I think I have an idea on how to NOT LOSE money on the stock market, but the thing is even if you do everything right, the returns seem absolutely miniscual to the point your better off just working your way to the top. if you bought $10,000 worth of netflix stock when it first went public, you'd earn a million...15 years after the fact. Meanwhile if you had a salary of $50,000 dollars a year, you'd make up 3/4 of that million and heck within a 15 year time span you could gain enough experience and education to get a job with a much higher salary.

for the kind of gamble the long term investment game is, it seems you'd be better off just living within your means and saving.
The idea is that one does both of these things. You want to invest the money you have saved, while also earning a salary. I'd just invest in a SPYder, then hold. This is also not where you put all of your money, just some of your long term savings.
 

AnimalNoodles

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My strategy is based on dividends. I invest in stocks that give dividends and reinvest a portion of those dividends. I have a tidy stream of passive income now from those dividends.

But overall, invest in stuff you use every day.
 

Abhorsen

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How much money do you need to buy basic stocks at the start?
How much money are a) you willing to lose, and b) does the stock cost? Also, through Robinhood, you can by fractional stocks. But don't daytrade on Robinhood. The reason the platform is free is because they bundle stock buys and sell the info about the upcoming stock buy to big investors. This is definitely worth it if you're buying and holding, but counterproductive if you day trade.
 

AnimalNoodles

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How much money do you need to buy basic stocks at the start?

Unless you have money and you know what you are doing...dont. If you dont know what you are doing and want to invest in stocks, put your money in an index fund.

Stocks are like gambling. You can stack the odds a bit, but most people will not come out ahead.
 

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