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[Warmaster]

It's mentioned in the fucking game YOUR precious Obsidian lore calls Nuclear materials Uranium. There are no alternatives mentioned in Obsidian canon, just Uranium, Uranium oh and guess what more Uranium?

But by all means if Uranium isn't the only one used provide me an example in the West Coast of a canonical alternative, I'll wait :V

Because Uranium is a nuclear material. Just not mentioning an alternative doesn't wipe out several elements on the periodic table lmao

Christ. Your argument is "Well since its only mentioned I guess its the only source of nuclear power." while completely ignoring every other nuclear element on the planet. That's not an argument.

You doubled down on this somehow by following vague nuclear science quotes from a game instead of a basic nuclear energy guide. I'm mind boggled.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Also we see the reactor and it's in dismal shape, the chosen one can optimize it's output, and the plant itself is leaking radioactive water (that can't be good for it's efficiency).

Even if the Chosen One optimizes the output it still canonically runs out of Uranium in under 40 years so any change is miniscule

It's also been operating or at least sitting around for over 200 years, so there's that too, and we have no idea on the quantity of ore given to the plant over the years.

Doesn't matter there are other examples of the inefficiency, such as the Vault-Tec Phoropter which uses a "Staggering" amount of Uranium and it's not even a reactor.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Because Uranium is a nuclear material. Just not mentioning an alternative doesn't wipe out several elements on the periodic table lmao

Christ. Your argument is "Well since its only mentioned I guess its the only source of nuclear power." while completely ignoring every other nuclear element on the planet. That's not an argument.

You doubled down on this somehow by following vague nuclear science quotes from a game instead of a basic nuclear energy guide. I'm mind boggled.

Bruh if there's such heavy emphasis on Uranium and there is not one alternative mentioned than it's pretty fucking obvious that their technology heavily relies on it and there is no easy alternative to Uranium.

Typically when one makes a case it has to have some evidence to suggest it, your entire argument is based on real life ignoring that the science of Fallout diverged from the main time line in the 1940's.

Your argument is literally "🤓 oh well actually in real life we can do this so Fallout technology will function exactly like ours."

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Isotope-239 igniting agent

Isotope-239 igniting agent is a quest item in Fallout: New Vegas. The discovery of isotope-239 and possible military applications the radioactive igniting agent entailed was one of the key reasons for RobCo's hostile takeover of REPCONN Aerospace right before the Great War.[1] The downside to...

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Non-Uranium nuclear power sources canonically exist thanks to NV.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Doesn't matter there are other examples of the inefficiency, such as the Vault-Tec Phoropter which uses a "Staggering" amount of Uranium and it's not even a reactor.

>FO4
Non-canon.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Isotope-239 igniting agent

Isotope-239 igniting agent is a quest item in Fallout: New Vegas. The discovery of isotope-239 and possible military applications the radioactive igniting agent entailed was one of the key reasons for RobCo's hostile takeover of REPCONN Aerospace right before the Great War.[1] The downside to...

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Non-Uranium nuclear power sources canonically exist thanks to NV.

They discovered it right before the bombs hit, it's a niche resource that never reached mass scale. It's no different than the Matter Replicators in Sierra Madre.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

They discovered it right before the bombs hit, it's a niche resource that never reached mass scale. It's no different than the Matter Replicators in Sierra Madre.

Nuclear reactors literally shit out various isotopes and materials as byproducts, we've known this since the earliest nuclear reactors were made. FO humanity certainly knew as well, especially as the divergence early on isn't as huge as the later years.

 

[Warmaster]

Typically when one makes a case it has to have some evidence to suggest it, your entire argument is based on real life ignoring that the science of Fallout diverged from the main time line in the 1940's.

Your argument is literally "🤓 oh well actually in real life we can do this so Fallout technology will function exactly like ours."

"Nuclear science isn't exactly like ours because their science diverged. I can freely ignore basic nuclear science because game lore negates your argument. Ignore how it uses a lot of the same words, materials and concepts. The absence of lore obviously equates to me being right about ignoring your points."

I'm not expecting it to function like ours. Obviously there is a lot of bullshit. But you can't name a single source stating only Uranium can be used or that only it exists. Nor do you display an understand of fusion.

A contrarian take that ignores science in-exchange for what? Oh. Something not being mentioned in lore. Not lore stating these materials can't be used. Not lore stating that these elements don't exist. Just an absence.

 

[Scooby Doo]

>FO4
Non-canon.

Don't argue about Fusion Cores then :V

Either you argue for it for existing or not either way. Doesn't matter the Vault City reactor still runs out of its supply in less than 40 years.

And it's just one of the two that were eating the supplies, Vault City technically only has a population of 103

• Vault City: This utopia is free from crimes and other sociological ills that inflict the other communities in Northern California. It has existed independent since its emergence from Vault 8, and maintains a thriving economy based on exporting medical technology to Outsider communities in Northern California. All Citizens are encouraged to remain in Vault City whenever possible.
• Population: Current Census 103 Citizens.
• Government: First Citizen and Council.
• Background radiation count: Files have been deleted, missing the following strings: [-$Gecko-/-$GroundwaterContamination-]
• Mutation rate: Files have been deleted, missing the following strings: [-$Birthrate %-

You figured if the reactor was that bad that they'd just create a new one to be more efficient since the settlement of 103 people is tiny so it shouldn't need more than a chunk of Uranium.

:V

Nuclear reactors literally shit out various isotopes and materials as byproducts, we've known this since the earliest nuclear reactors were made. FO humanity certainly knew as well, especially as the divergence early on isn't as huge as the later years.

They didn't know because it was something newly discovered it's literally mentioned in the link you posted lmafo

"Nuclear science isn't exactly like ours because their science diverged. I can freely ignore basic nuclear science because game lore negates your argument. Ignore how it uses a lot of the same words, materials and concepts. The absence of lore obviously equates to me being right about ignoring your points."

I'm not expecting it to function like ours. Obviously there is a lot of bullshit. But you can't name a single source stating only Uranium can be used or that only it exists. Nor do you display an understand of fusion.

A contrarian take that ignores science in-exchange for what? Oh. Something not being mentioned in lore. Not lore stating these materials can't be used. Not lore stating that these elements don't exist. Just an absence.

A lot of yapping for someone that thinks they're right.


Just mention one example of an alternative that was used to run the generators, I'll wait. If you can't then all you have is a hack theory.

 

[Warmaster]

Don't argue about Fusion Cores then :V

Either you argue for it for existing or not either way. Doesn't matter the Vault City reactor still runs out of its supply in less than 40 years.

And it's just one of the two that were eating the supplies, Vault City technically only has a population of 103


You figured if the reactor was that bad that they'd just create a new one to be more efficient since the settlement of 103 people is tiny so it shouldn't need more than a chunk of Uranium.

:V


They didn't know because it was something newly discovered it's literally mentioned in the link you posted lmafo


A lot of yapping for someone that thinks they're right.


Just mention one example of an alternative that was used to run the generators, I'll wait. If you can't then all you have is a hack theory.

Instead of listing a source like I asked two times now you'll ask me for one. Despite me mentioning real life science for the lack of lore. A hack theory... for a bunch of elements that were discovered before the timeline split or in the Manhattan Project. You don't understand what a theory is since you keep mentioning your own as canon. Real life science to you is... that's a hack theory to you? Really? Okay.


You consider the absence of lore as permission to fill in your own scientific headcanons instead of defaulting to how it works in reality. I honestly can't believe it.

Its not like what I said conflicts with Fallout lore. Only Uranium as a source of nuclear power wouldn't work. The supply wouldn't match the need with how much micro-fusion was used.


I really need to stop participating in online debates. Consider this my end point of debating this topic. I need sleep.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Instead of listing a source like I asked two times now you'll ask me for one. Despite me mentioning real life science for the lack of lore. A hack theory... for a bunch of elements that were discovered before the timeline split or in the Manhattan Project. You don't understand what a theory is since you keep mentioning your own as canon. Real life science to you is... that's a hack theory to you? Really? Okay.


You consider the absence of lore as permission to fill in your own scientific headcanons instead of defaulting to how it works in reality. I honestly can't believe it.

Its not like what I said conflicts with Fallout lore. Only Uranium as a source of nuclear power wouldn't work. The supply wouldn't match the need with how much micro-fusion was used.


I really need to stop participating in online debates. Consider this my end point of debating this topic. I need sleep.

"The supply wouldn't match the need with how much micro-fusion was used"

No shit, you've been ranting about real life applications of science while ignoring what the actual lore said, they WERE running out of Uranium and this is consistent in both Obsidian and Bethesda lore.


Fallout 2 Characters mention THREE times that Uranium was a rare resource, if there were plenty of alternatives Uranium wouldn't be so rare they wouldn't have built vaults to run off of Uranium and Uranium wouldn't be such a focus in the series.


Obviously yes it doesn't make sense that it uses primarily Uranium, but that's what they wrote. It's literally canonically not with in their ability to do so, like use critical thinking for just one sentence and look at the world building from the lore.


If there were alternatives the NCR wouldn't be so desperate the fight for Hoover Dam, they could have built a dozen nuclear reactors between Fallout 2 and New Vegas, yet you're not even accepting Obsidian writing.


TLDR;

1) Creating Nuclear Plants with fusion technology requires Uranium
2) There isn't enough Uranium and other resources to do so
3) They likely don't even have the trained personnel and infrastructure to conduct such a project
4) A macguffin that doesn't need tremendous amounts of resources and time devoted on a massive scale involving thousands of workers is going to much better for NCR immediate recuperation.


Ergo the Plot macguffin is not stupid because you don't understand the NCR isn't the Culture, they have tremendous amounts of resources and get both a significant amount of water and electricity from Hoover Dam.

 

[Warmaster]

No shit, you've been ranting about real life applications of science while ignoring what the actual lore, they WERE running out of Uranium and this is consistent in both Obsidian and Bethesda lore.

I don't think I'll ever be able to leave this debate.

Which is why Fusion is so important! Because its not limited like fission!

Its the miracle tech that broke away and could be viable for centuries. Which is consistent in both Obsidian and Bethesda. You going to ignore that while repeating that Uranium was running out? No shit. Its why Fusion was so important.

You ignore and cherry pick lore like crazy. Only Bethesda. Only Obsidian. Only Interplay. It doesn't matter lol

Its all the same. Fusion is efficient and sometimes its inconsistent. If your going to talk about lore then stop ignoring it and cherry picking examples to somehow prove Fusion was 100% powered by Uranium. Its almost like you ignore the fact that Fusion is a completely different nuclear method than fission.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I don't think I'll ever be able to leave this debate.

Which is why Fusion is so important! Because its not limited like fission!

Its the miracle tech that broke away and could be viable for centuries. Which is consistent in both Obsidian and Bethesda. You going to ignore that while repeating that Uranium was running out? No shit. Its why Fusion was so important.

Their generators used fusion and used Uranium to power it.
It's literally mentioned in Fallout 2.
Have you played the games? Like at all, seriously?

You ignore and cherry pick lore like crazy. Only Bethesda. Only Obsidian. Only Interplay. It doesn't matter lol

By all means list what I cherry picked because you're the only one whose cherry picked lore
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Its all the same. Fusion is efficient and sometimes its inconsistent.

The energy consistency in the Fallout universe the game takes place in is depending on the technology involved (Some use more energy than others)

Most reactor technology was inefficient in Obsidian lore, Bethesda appears to later change it to where there was a transition in the East Coast where the energy efficiency was becoming more common. (Surprise surprise their lore actually makes sense)

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Yeah, fusion popped up because it wouldn't require as much materials to run as Fission.

 

[Warmaster]

Obviously yes it doesn't make sense that it uses primarily Uranium, but that's what they wrote. It's literally canonically not with in their ability to do so, like use critical thinking for just one sentence and look at the world building from the lore.

Again. Absence of lore doesn't equate to you being able to pass off headcanons as... canon. I'm arguing from the standpoint of real life science and how the timeline split had nothing to do with the existence of varied nuclear materials. Or the usage of them.

That's not what they wrote. That's a flat out lie.

Critically think... oh I did. Uranium/oil was running out. So therefore fusion was a big thing and could last centuries. That's in all games.

It fits in the timeline. Uranium being the most useful and easiest to use doesn't negate anything I said. Nor does it negate real life science. I'll once again ask for a source to dispute this.

Uranium running out was a problem in the Resource Wars. Which is why Fusion was so important.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yeah, fusion popped up because it wouldn't require as much materials to run as Fission.

I honestly don't think Obsidian or Bethesda actually use any IRL sciences so they just call fusion or fission just energy equivalents.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Again. Absence of lore doesn't equate to you being able to pass off headcanons as... canon. I'm arguing from the standpoint of real life science and how the timeline split had nothing to do with the existence of varied nuclear materials. Or the usage of them.

Yeah no buddy. I'm stating exactly what's said in the lore. If you want to argue hypotheticals go ahead but I'm strictly what's said.

By your same logic saying their generators are powered by unicorn facts and that it is true because there's nothing to disprove it doesn't exist.

That's not what they wrote. That's a flat out lie.

It fucking IS

Lumpy: "{230}{}{Broken Hills is where we get all the uranium that we need for the atomic reactor from.

Harold: "{199}{hld30}{Why?! Now Vault City knows just how much we need uranium ore from Broken Hills. They could cut off them shipments and we'd be finished.}"
(Gcharold.msg)

They use uranium for it even Vault City was purchasing and storing Uranium entire bushels of it. (It's literally used as fuel)

Critically think... oh I did. Uranium/oil was running out. So therefore fusion was a big thing and could last centuries. That's in all games.

Yes and apparently they used Uranium materials to create/charge fusion forces and micro fusion cells and pretty much everything else that was used as a source of energy.

But in turn they depleted most of their Uranium supply, why is this so hard for you to understand?

Fusion = Consumes Uranium in Fallout

It fits in the timeline. Uranium being the most useful and easiest to use doesn't negate anything I said. Nor does it negate real life science. I'll once again ask for a source to dispute this.

It does because we're talking about the Fallout universe and the writers decided to go with almost everything that's fusion needs Uranium.

Uranium running out was a problem in the Resource Wars. Which is why Fusion was so important.

They USED URANIUM to power their fusion reactors or create them (In Obsidians case)

 

[Scooby Doo]

And just to add the nail on the coffin, Bethesda reinforces Obsidian's lore that all their fusion reactors running on guess what?

=== MINER EXAM===

Our many nuclear energy plants run on uranium fuel. What part of the world mines the most uranium?

😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

 

[Warmaster]

Yeah no body. I'm stating exactly what's said in the lore. If you want to argue hypotheticals go ahead but I'm strictly what's said.

By your same logic saying their generators are powered by unicorn facts is true because there's nothing to disprove it doesn't exist.


It fucking IS

"Ima repeat Uranium being used generally as a way to disprove other elements not being used at all."

I ask for a source and you give the same thing over and over again despite that not proving your point. Its only proving Uranium was used. Which I never disputed.

"Ima compare real life science to unicorns because obviously that's the same thing."

No.

Yeah no buddy. I'm stating exactly what's said in the lore.

It fucking IS

Your quotes doesn't mean "other nuclear materials were never used and couldn't be used".

I've said this repeatedly.

Lumpy: "{230}{}{Broken Hills is where we get all the uranium that we need for the atomic reactor from.

Harold: "{199}{hld30}{Why?! Now Vault City knows just how much we need uranium ore from Broken Hills. They could cut off them shipments and we'd be finished.}"
(Gcharold.msg)

Where does it state Uranium being the only source for nuclear power? You lied. Please don't post the same quotes saying how they prove you correct despite them not containing anything that proves Uranium was the only thing to exist or be used.

Your point is completely invalid. I'll give a list of reasons.

1. Absence of lore. You can't fill in lore with headcanons. Not being mentioned doesn't mean you can state whatever.
2. Quote breakdown. You use quotes incorrectly and take information from nowhere. Your quotes don't mean what you say they mean.
3. Lore/reality bending. There isn't enough Uranium on the planet to fuel micro-fusion over large sections of the US. Uranium was also running out in Fallout so really it makes no sense.
4. Fusion importance. The reason Fusion was important was because it was a breakaway from oil/Uranium.
5. Bethesda, Obsidian and Interplay aren't even close to nuclear experts. They aren't making "common sense" changes to nuclear science to fit their ends. They are vague about it and either think Uranium is literally the only nuclear power source on the planet or are just lazy in mentioning others. Even you said this doesn't make sense.

I'll concede a part of my argument so we can stop this. My "theory" and your "theory" are equal. Its the only way this argument can end.

 

[Scooby Doo]

"Ima repeat Uranium being used generally as a way to disprove other elements not being used at all."

I ask for a source and you give the same thing over and over again despite that not proving your point. Its only proving Uranium was used. Which I never disputed.

"Ima compare real life science to unicorns because obviously that's the same thing."

No.

Your quotes doesn't mean "other nuclear materials were never used and couldn't be used".

I've said this repeatedly.




Where does it state Uranium being the only source for nuclear power? You lied. Please don't post the same quotes saying how they prove you correct despite them not containing anything that proves Uranium was the only thing to exist or be used.

Your point is completely invalid. I'll give a list of reasons.

1. Absence of lore. You can't fill in lore with headcanons. Not being mentioned doesn't mean you can state whatever.
2. Quote breakdown. You use quotes incorrectly and take information from nowhere. Your quotes don't mean what you say they mean.
3. Lore/reality bending. There isn't enough Uranium on the planet to fuel micro-fusion over large sections of the US. Uranium was also running out in Fallout so really it makes no sense.
4. Fusion importance. The reason Fusion was important was because it was a breakaway from oil/Uranium.
5. Bethesda, Obsidian and Interplay aren't even close to nuclear experts. They aren't making "common sense" changes to nuclear science to fit their ends. They are vague about it and either think Uranium is literally the only nuclear power source on the planet or are just lazy in mentioning others. Even you said this doesn't make sense.

I'll concede a part of my argument so we can stop this. My "theory" and your "theory" are equal. Its the only way this argument can end.

Yeah concession accepted, don't call me a liar you're the liar.

=== MINER EXAM===

Our many nuclear energy plants run on uranium fuel. What part of the world mines the most uranium?

Nice yapping mental gymnastics for something that was obvious for anyone whose played the games
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